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[Dogstar21]

As someone who owns (and started) Palmer (2 QB League) and went against Myers and Manning last night, i couldn't be any happier with this week's TNF game.  Sorry Brandon Myers owners.

[Finally Detroit Wins]

He's still my guy and will continue to be my starter. Pretty much every good TE has had a bad game this year and this is no different to me.

[KnicksSeasonTix23]

He probably cost me my match up in a Ppr league between him and an average day from Thomas. I hate Thursday night games so much. If I somehow go on to next week I'm benching aj green.

[nb009]

KnicksSeasonTix23, on 07 December 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

He probably cost me my match up in a Ppr league between him and an average day from Thomas. I hate Thursday night games so much. If I somehow go on to next week I'm benching aj green.

Thomas probably would have had a good game had he not sat out the majority of the second quarter. Given that the whole fourth quarter the Broncos were pretty much trying to run the clock out, he played about 2 1/4 quarters.

[Armalite]

After Carson threw that pick in the first quarter, he almost completely stopped looking for Myers. I figure the Broncos watched the last Raiders game and made an extra effort to shutting Myers down (probably also made a note of the fact that TE's have been doing pretty good against them) on pick he was covered by Champ, so at times they had their best corner on him. This why it's important not to read too much into stats like fantasy points against TE's, because defenses will adjust and things tend to balance out a bit. Still like Myers going forward.

[Armalite]

Also look at the guys who have burned Denver: Jimmy Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Gronk, Grescham, these guys are big athletic physical specimens, put even your best corner, even a shut down physical corner like Champ Bailey they'll be unable to match up with them.

[d_x_m]

d_x_m, on 04 December 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Had the same thinking and am probably starting Myers in my flex (Witten is my other TE). Also DEN doesn't defend TEs well and with this being a Thursday game and Denver starting to position themselves for the playoffs, I don't know if they completely show up to this game. If they do, then there is also the garbage time factor so I think there's a very good chance Myers has good numbers either way. However it is a Thursday game so the caveat I guess is nothing will go as expected.

So utterly predictable, never again playing anyone but studs on Thursday.

[nb009]

Armalite, on 07 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

After Carson threw that pick in the first quarter, he almost completely stopped looking for Myers. I figure the Broncos watched the last Raiders game and made an extra effort to shutting Myers down (probably also made a note of the fact that TE's have been doing pretty good against them) on pick he was covered by Champ, so at times they had their best corner on him. This why it's important not to read too much into stats like fantasy points against TE's, because defenses will adjust and things tend to balance out a bit. Still like Myers going forward.

Armalite, on 07 December 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Also look at the guys who have burned Denver: Jimmy Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Gronk, Grescham, these guys are big athletic physical specimens, put even your best corner, even a shut down physical corner like Champ Bailey they'll be unable to match up with them.

I appreciate the effort, but it's easy to analyze what will happen after it already happens. We all know what happened, we're just pissed the f--- off about it. I don't think anyone could have projected 1 catch for 7 yards going into last night's game.

[Lebowski87]

I think they said he only ran 21 routes and they kept him into block most of the game, as opposed to last week when he only stayed into block for maybe 3 plays or so. I didn't realize he had an awful fantasy output vs Denver last game but I was going to play him regardless with how well he's been.

[nb009]

Lebowski87, on 07 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

I think they said he only ran 21 routes and they kept him into block most of the game, as opposed to last week when he only stayed into block for maybe 3 plays or so. I didn't realize he had an awful fantasy output vs Denver last game but I was going to play him regardless with how well he's been.

Exactly. That was way back in Week 4 before he started to make a name for himself.

http://blogs.thescor...rom-your-tears/

[fredth3cat]

d_x_m, on 07 December 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

So utterly predictable, never again playing anyone but studs on Thursday.

Moreno and Streater both had big games. Darren McFadden even scored a touchdown. Unthinkable!

[Bandito]

Lebowski87, on 07 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

I think they said he only ran 21 routes and they kept him into block most of the game, as opposed to last week when he only stayed into block for maybe 3 plays or so.

True.  Which is a BRILLIANT game plan against a team that can't defend the TE.

At least my disappointing season will mercifully end this week....

[2504]

do people think he will bounce back this week? worth a start?

[nb009]

2504, on 13 December 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

do people think he will bounce back this week? worth a start?

I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards starting him (only other options are Rudolph and Scheffler). After last week, I will be completely be content with 5-55 yards. One thing I will point out, is he stayed in to block primarily because of the Broncos strong pass-rush (Von Miller, etc.). KC is one of the worse teams in the league in terms of pass-rushing, so hopefully he runs a lot more pass routes.

Not that it matters, but he's put up TE1 numbers every other game. This week would be the "every other game. Let's hope that Palmer plays the whole game (news reports are saying Pryor might get some burn), since Palmer/Myer are garbage time heros.

[specialK2]

Receiving          G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Long YAC 1stD TD Fum FumL
Brandon Myers 13 70 728 56.0 10.4 29 279 38 4 0 0
Denarius Moore 12 42 678 56.5 16.1 58 253 29 6 0 0
Darrius Heyward-Bey 12 37 562 46.8 15.2 59 239 21 4 0 0
Marcel Reece 13 47 472 36.3 10.0 56 340 20 1 2 0

Hilarious that Myers is, in reality, their WR1.

Edited by specialK2, 14 December 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[Lebowski87]

Rolling with Myers one more week. His garbage time numbers got me into the playoffs and I survived his one catch effort last week, he can only go up from there.

[nb009]

Anyone knowledgeable on the Chiefs here? How will Brandon Myers be effected by Eric Berry? I know the latter has not been the same since his ACL tear early last season, but Myers isn't exactly a world beater in the talent department.

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Two games ago, Brandon Myers caught a franchise record-tying 14 catches, equaling Tim Brown's 15-year-old mark, against the Cleveland Browns.

Last week, against Denver, Myers caught one pass.

"That's just the game," said Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer. "Some guys get a hot hand one week and there's a lot of plays called their way because of certain matchups, because of certain schemes. And some weeks you're called on to block, or called on for the run game. So it's not anything we lost any confidence, obviously, in Brandon at all. It has nothing to do with anything like that.

"It's just, some games your number's called more often than others and it was just of those weeks where he was blocking a little bit more and they had shown some things where they weren't going to let him catch 14 balls."

Neither, it seems, would the Chiefs want to allow such production out of Myers, whose 70 receptions thus far leads all AFC tight ends and is the most by a Raiders tight end since Todd Christensen caught 95 balls in 1986 and the most by any Raiders pass catcher since Jerry Porter had 76 in 2005.

And for what it's worth, 33 of Myers' catches have come in the fourth quarter.

Berry, who was a Pro Bowler as a rookie in 2010 but suffered a season-ending injury in the Chiefs' season-opener in 2011, has started all 13 games this season. As the strong safety, he figures to draw the assignment of covering Myers.

"When you look back earlier in the year, they matched him up with Antonio Gates against San Diego," said Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. "He is a very good safety, in my opinion, who is not just one dimensional. Sometimes safeties can be a box safety or a deep safety. He plays both well. He has great range to play the middle safety. But he has no problem playing linebacker.

"In fact, in their sub packages, he will play the linebacker the majority of the time and he’ll stick his nose in there. He’s good against the run and he can cover a tight end really well."

Also, I'm not sure if there will be any garbage time heroics in this game, since the Chiefs aren't exactly an offensive juggernaut.

Edited by nb009, 14 December 2012 - 12:49 PM.

[jtbgator]

Bigger upside week 15:  Bennett @ ATL or Brandon Meyers vs. KC?

[klove42]

nb009, on 14 December 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Anyone knowledgeable on the Chiefs here? How will Brandon Myers be effected by Eric Berry? I know the latter has not been the same since his ACL tear early last season, but Myers isn't exactly a world beater in the talent department.

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Two games ago, Brandon Myers caught a franchise record-tying 14 catches, equaling Tim Brown's 15-year-old mark, against the Cleveland Browns.

Last week, against Denver, Myers caught one pass.

"That's just the game," said Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer. "Some guys get a hot hand one week and there's a lot of plays called their way because of certain matchups, because of certain schemes. And some weeks you're called on to block, or called on for the run game. So it's not anything we lost any confidence, obviously, in Brandon at all. It has nothing to do with anything like that.

"It's just, some games your number's called more often than others and it was just of those weeks where he was blocking a little bit more and they had shown some things where they weren't going to let him catch 14 balls."

Neither, it seems, would the Chiefs want to allow such production out of Myers, whose 70 receptions thus far leads all AFC tight ends and is the most by a Raiders tight end since Todd Christensen caught 95 balls in 1986 and the most by any Raiders pass catcher since Jerry Porter had 76 in 2005.

And for what it's worth, 33 of Myers' catches have come in the fourth quarter.

Berry, who was a Pro Bowler as a rookie in 2010 but suffered a season-ending injury in the Chiefs' season-opener in 2011, has started all 13 games this season. As the strong safety, he figures to draw the assignment of covering Myers.

"When you look back earlier in the year, they matched him up with Antonio Gates against San Diego," said Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. "He is a very good safety, in my opinion, who is not just one dimensional. Sometimes safeties can be a box safety or a deep safety. He plays both well. He has great range to play the middle safety. But he has no problem playing linebacker.

"In fact, in their sub packages, he will play the linebacker the majority of the time and he’ll stick his nose in there. He’s good against the run and he can cover a tight end really well."

Also, I'm not sure if there will be any garbage time heroics in this game, since the Chiefs aren't exactly an offensive juggernaut.

I'm more worried about the lack of garbage time opportunities I think the raiders should be up this game. The raiders should win but then again they are the raiders