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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:00 PM
At first I saw Walden was heading to ATL, but I'd have to assume there's more going that way. We can assume Walden's value is smashed right now, being behind both Venters and Kimbrel (at the least).
Wow. Kind of a weird deal to say the least
Has Hanson dropped that far off since bursting onto the scene? I've never owned him in fantasy, and other than my general knowledge of him and his struggles this past season, if the Braves aren't getting more than just Walden this has to be viewed as a salary dump or something (with them singing Upton and Hanson heading to arby soon).
I'd hope they got something more than a MR like Walden though.
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Edited by Nick Mitchell, 30 November 2012 - 01:02 PM.
Team #1:
14-team/25-man (mixed) roster roto-auction redraft league [3rd Season, Defending Champ] (standard 5x5 scoring w/ OBP in place of AVG)
C Willin Rosario, 1B Brandon Belt, 2B Kelly Johnson, 3B Miguel Cabrera, SS Starlin Castro, IF Elvis Andrus, OF (4 starting OF slots, not position-specific) OF Gerardo Parra, OF Denard Span, OF Domonic Brown, OF Evan Gattis, UTL Travis Hafner
BN: 1B,3B Eric Chavez, 1B James Loney, OF Wil Myers [N/A]
P (8- any kind) SP Felix Hernandez, SP Shelby Miller, SP Johnny Cueto, SP Mike Minor, R.A. Dickey, MR Bobby Parnell, MR Jim Henderson, MR Darren O'Day
BN: SP Tim Lincecum, SP Hisashi Iwakuma
DL: (2 allotted slots at once): SP Michael Pineda
(1 open roster spot)
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Team #2:
14-team/28-man (mixed) roster roto-snake redraft league [Inaugural Season] (7x7 scoring <R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OBP, & SLG / W, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, & QS> and var. position-specific starting slots)
C Willin Rosario, 1B Adam Dunn, 2B Jason Kipnis, 3B Ryan Zimmerman, SS Jean Segura, CI Todd Frazier, MI Everth Cabrera, LF Gerardo Parra, CF Andrew McCutchen, RF Lucas Duda, OF Adam Jones, UTL Lorenzo Cain
BN: C,3B,1B Jordan Pacheo, 1B Lyle Overbay, LF,CF,RF Michael Saunders, LF,CF,RF Justin Ruggiano
SP (2): Felix Hernandez (SP), Lance Lynn (SP,RP); RP (3): Joe Nathan (RP), Ernesto Frieri (RP), Fernando Rodney (RP); P (4- any kind) P Brandon League (RP), P Kevin Gregg (RP), P Wilton Lopez (RP), P Cory Gearrin (RP)
BN: Mike Minor (SP), Jose Fernandez (SP), Hisashi Iwakuma (SP,RP)
DL: (3 allotted slots at once) SP Brandon Beachy, CF Cameron Maybin
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:06 PM
I approve of this trade!!! 
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Zombies
Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:07 PM
The Braves sold low to be sure...They do have a plethora of starting pitchers so someone had to go...It is surprising to see them give up on Hanson though...Despite the injury issues he still has a ton of talent and if he can stay healthy this is a steal for the Angels...
NL only 5x5
Rob Brantley $4, Nick Hundley $1, Ike Davis $10, Chase Utley $6, Pablo Sandoval $18,Brandon Crawford $1,Jed Gyorko $11, Aramis Ramirez $16, Carlos Gonzalez $25, Andrew McCutchen $20, Giancarlo Stanton $20, Carl Crawford $17, Brandon Belt $8, Domonic Brown $5, Travis Snider $1
Clayton Kershaw $20, Madison Bumgarner $20, Stephen Strasburg $20, Homer Bailey $4, Jeff Samardzija $1, Aroldis Chapman $37, Edward Mujica $7, Trevor Rosenthal $5, Tony Cingrani $19, James Russell $5
Minors: Travis d'Arnaud $5, Gerrit Cole $5, Christian Yelich $5
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:17 PM
I thought so too, Zombies. Definitely a sell-low... if he can get it together and stay healthy he's still south of 26. Really, if injuries don't hold him back and he can fix whatever has started his decline of sorts, be it mechanics or what... this is an absolute steal for the Angels. Walden could be a nice pen arm for ATL, but it seems like they could have addressed other needs.
I bet Angels fans who were pulling hair out of their privates during the rumors that they acquired Marmol for Haren are a bit happier now, assuming this one doesn't fall off the table.... 
On the topic of the their plethora of pitching and someone had to go, I did notice this blurb on rotoworld about a month ago:
Tommy Hanson is expected to compete with Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado in spring training for the Braves' No. 5 starter job.
Of course, there's a pretty good chance the Braves will trade one of the pitchers to get outfield help. Hanson would seem to be the most likely candidate to go, as he's reached arbitration and didn't look like the same pitcher this season while coming back from shoulder issues
With signing Upton, Hanson hitting arby... it seems like that would be why, in my opinion anyway. Was weird to see the Braves doll out heavy money when they signed Upton. This at least makes sense from that standpoint.
Hanson's value though- slight bump up, slight bump down, or does it kind of just stay neutral until we can see where he's at with his health in spring training?
Obviously, I don't think he'll be another Kazmir for the Angels. But he does have a history of injury... so is this a case where we see where he's at and how he's throwing come spring training? You'd have to assume he'll crack the starting-5 barring something real bad happening.
Team #1:
14-team/25-man (mixed) roster roto-auction redraft league [3rd Season, Defending Champ] (standard 5x5 scoring w/ OBP in place of AVG)
C Willin Rosario, 1B Brandon Belt, 2B Kelly Johnson, 3B Miguel Cabrera, SS Starlin Castro, IF Elvis Andrus, OF (4 starting OF slots, not position-specific) OF Gerardo Parra, OF Denard Span, OF Domonic Brown, OF Evan Gattis, UTL Travis Hafner
BN: 1B,3B Eric Chavez, 1B James Loney, OF Wil Myers [N/A]
P (8- any kind) SP Felix Hernandez, SP Shelby Miller, SP Johnny Cueto, SP Mike Minor, R.A. Dickey, MR Bobby Parnell, MR Jim Henderson, MR Darren O'Day
BN: SP Tim Lincecum, SP Hisashi Iwakuma
DL: (2 allotted slots at once): SP Michael Pineda
(1 open roster spot)
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Team #2:
14-team/28-man (mixed) roster roto-snake redraft league [Inaugural Season] (7x7 scoring <R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OBP, & SLG / W, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, & QS> and var. position-specific starting slots)
C Willin Rosario, 1B Adam Dunn, 2B Jason Kipnis, 3B Ryan Zimmerman, SS Jean Segura, CI Todd Frazier, MI Everth Cabrera, LF Gerardo Parra, CF Andrew McCutchen, RF Lucas Duda, OF Adam Jones, UTL Lorenzo Cain
BN: C,3B,1B Jordan Pacheo, 1B Lyle Overbay, LF,CF,RF Michael Saunders, LF,CF,RF Justin Ruggiano
SP (2): Felix Hernandez (SP), Lance Lynn (SP,RP); RP (3): Joe Nathan (RP), Ernesto Frieri (RP), Fernando Rodney (RP); P (4- any kind) P Brandon League (RP), P Kevin Gregg (RP), P Wilton Lopez (RP), P Cory Gearrin (RP)
BN: Mike Minor (SP), Jose Fernandez (SP), Hisashi Iwakuma (SP,RP)
DL: (3 allotted slots at once) SP Brandon Beachy, CF Cameron Maybin
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TheJRod2006
Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:23 PM
Walden is all the Braves can get for Tommy Hanson? Fail.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:26 PM
wow...did not expect that...young and skill...guess they think they have better pitchers in their system ready to go
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#7
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:31 PM
As a Braves fan I love it as well. His velocity has been dropping the last few years and with his back issues and arm delivery he really doesn't have alot of value right now. This was purely a salary dump... I am willing to bet that this will open the door for either a Victorino signing or a J. Upton trade (The Upton trade is wishful thinking).
I really do hope Tommy turns it around and is successful with the Angels, though.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:31 PM
As one who tends to overanalyze pitching mechanics, I'll say that I just don't like Hanson's long term outlook. With that said, as an Angels fan, I still like the deal a lot. Walden is an erratic RP who has mechanical issues of his own. Trading an erratic RP for a 26 year old SP who has shown flashes of brilliance is tremendous value. Whether he regains his form or not is up in the air, but it's a risk that I'm OK with the Halos taking. The loss of Walden won't affect them as they will likely be signing a RP in FA to replace him
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C - Jonathan Lucroy (MIL - C)
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CF - Mike Trout (LAA - LF, CF)
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Util - Desmond Jennings (TB - LF, CF)
BN - Matt Carpenter (StL - 1B, 2B, 3B, RF)
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Relievers: Craig Kimbrel, Tom Wilhelmsen,Sean Doolittle, Vinnie Pestano, Jared Burton
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:32 PM
What a trade for the Angels. I'm sure Hansen is excited since he's a local So cal guy.
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C - Miguel Montero
1b - Edwin Encarnacion
2b - Brandon Phillips
3b - Todd Frazier
SS - Erick Aybar
OF - Matt Kemp, Curtis Granderson, Shane Victorino
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:55 PM
I agree its a low-sell for Braves, where Hanson's value probably at all time low, but its not sexy, but getting big young upside arms for your 7th-8th's etc is definetly becoming a trend. Cincy had a great thing going this year, the Giants are known for their pen. Its an undervalued part of the game by the average fan most of the time.
From a fantasy standpoint, I think it ups Hanson a bit to a more secured rotation spot than what he would of had in ATL, I dont think Walden would of closed either place, and for me as a Mike Minor owner, makes me feel a little better about his job security not that it was that much in question, but with so many starters around if they have good springs and he gets rocked or off to slow start in April, his job isnt that secure, making the math look a little better is good for him too.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:45 PM
Hanson's stock has been dropping. If he can't reverse the trend and either raise his velocity or get it to stay the same, then he may be coming to the end of his MLB career. WIth that said, the deal is still good for the Angels. They only gave up a middle reliever that they had no use for anymore with Madson/Downs/Frieri available to them.
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MI - Castro $27, Segura $16, Gyorko $11, Dietrich $3, Solano $10
OF - BJ Upton $26, Harper $10, Parra $11, Young $5, Moore $5, Taveras $10, Yelich $10, Sappelt $5
SP - Zimmerman $23, Harvey $11, Estrada $11, Minor $8, Corbin $7, Cashner $4, Beachy $3, Wheeler $10
RP - Soriano $25, Henderson $3, Brothers $10, Hector Rondon $2, Valverde $5, Paco Rodriguez $1
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:21 PM
It looks like Hanson will be on my do not draft list for a 2nd straight season. After watching him pitch several times last season I am surprised he put up the numbers he did, when you take away the automatic pitcher out, I don't see him escaping his self made jams quite so often.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:53 PM
 Zombies, on 30 November 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:
The Braves sold low to be sure...They do have a plethora of starting pitchers so someone had to go...It is surprising to see them give up on Hanson though...Despite the injury issues he still has a ton of talent and if he can stay healthy this is a steal for the Angels...
I don't think staying healthy will be the key to Hanson's success. I think he needs to regain his shoulder strength. He's worth the gamble at such a low cost but I'm skeptical this will pan out for Anahiem.
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bravesfan4life
Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:39 PM
If you're on the outside looking in on this trade it looks good for the Angels but Hanson has some serious problems to work through. Back and shoulder issues, mechanics are a mess, and he can't hold a runner on to save his life. Braves shed salary and shore up their bullpen with another guy with closer type stuff. They may have the best bullpen in baseball. As for the Angels 4 million (expected arbritration value) isn't anything to them so they can take chances on guys like Hanson and not worry about it.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:31 PM
For me the most intriguing part of this trade from a fantasy perspective. Is the opening for the Atlanta Braves fifth starter for the 2013 season. Unless the Braves trade for somebody which is not out of the question. The top two candidates would be Julio Teheran & Randall Delgado. If Julio is able to grab that spot, I could see a quality contributor for fantasy owners this year. Looking at his 2011 & 2012 with the Braves(AAA), I don't see why he can't have a K/9 of 7+, BB/9 of around 3 & he pitches in the National League.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:53 PM
One thing i really love about Tommy Hanson is that owners in my leagues next year will spend a draft pick on him.
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MI/ Prado
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:29 AM
bravesfan4life, on 30 November 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:
If you're on the outside looking in on this trade it looks good for the Angels but Hanson has some serious problems to work through. Back and shoulder issues, mechanics are a mess, and he can't hold a runner on to save his life. Braves shed salary and shore up their bullpen with another guy with closer type stuff. They may have the best bullpen in baseball. As for the Angels 4 million (expected arbritration value) isn't anything to them so they can take chances on guys like Hanson and not worry about it.
Hanson does have the injury problems, but he is still young and like people said the Angels didn't really need Walden either. I always value SP more then RP for an organization too.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:30 AM
LyondellBasell, on 30 November 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:
One thing i really love about Tommy Hanson is that owners in my leagues next year will spend a draft pick on him.
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crazy47larry
Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:44 PM
When I first saw this trade I thought "What were the Braves thinking?" They are a very shrewd organization so this deal is very puzzling on the surface.
Then when I thought about I came to the conclusion that the Braves know something we don't.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:11 PM
crazy47larry, on 04 December 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
When I first saw this trade I thought "What were the Braves thinking?" They are a very shrewd organization so this deal is very puzzling on the surface.
Then when I thought about I came to the conclusion that the Braves know something we don't.
Tommy will no longer be cheap (arbitration), he's got a messed up shoulder, had a 4.48 ERA last year, and his velocity tanked last season. I think he just doesn't have much value to them, especially since it probably means Teheran or Delgado rotting away in the minors for another year.
he's on the same type of career path as another former stud SP the Angels supposedly bought low on.
Edited by jsp2014, 04 December 2012 - 03:15 PM.
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