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[lavaman]

We've seen non-PPR ADP suggestions. How about the more popular PPR game? Does it change the rankings much?

Top 10 QB's, WR's, RB's, TE's?

QB's:  I think RGIII, Rodgers, and Matt Ryan will be ranked high, while Brees, and Brady take a slight hit. Look for Cam Newton to learn from his mistakes this year and play like a legit top 5 QB next season. Romo is not bad, but until he gets an O-Line his stats will decline.

WR's: AJ Green is the new king. Gone from the top are the likes of Roddy White and Andre Johnson. Who is up there with Green? Megatron and Marshall to name a couple. Don't be surprised if JJ finishes high next season. Vincent Jackson? Solid.

RB's: Foster is still the king, but look out for Doug Martin. Rice is top 3. And A.P. will slip a few notches. Spiller will almost for sure rise up in the rankings.

TE's: This position is a crap-shoot every season (besides the likes of Gonzo and Graham). Gronk is spectacular but coming off injury. Other than that, who you got?

Don't forget....this is for PPR. I'm interested to read everyone's take.

[fredth3cat]

Why do you see AP slipping? He's having a huge year and is on pace for 50+ catches.

[Deadpool]

fredth3cat, on 01 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Why do you see AP slipping? He's having a huge year and is on pace for 50+ catches.

Seriously, he is a machine.

[lavaman]

fredth3cat, on 01 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Why do you see AP slipping? He's having a huge year and is on pace for 50+ catches.

Oh I'm aware that this guy is a beast in PPR. I just think the NFL takes it's toll on RB's. He won't slip much, but A.P. will slip.

[Rob_P]

Not a bad start to the list but I can't see me passing on Megatron to take any other WR over him.  He may break the NFL record for receiving yards this year.  The TDs will return.  Spiller could easily be top 5 or better.  AP could be #1 ....he sure doesn't look like he is slowing down to me.

[lavaman]

So let's make a list of these positions... I'm trying to make sense out of these 2013 rankings as much as the rest of you.

Edited by lavaman, 01 December 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[Red Sox Nation]

I disagree with a lot of these. Peterson will be #1 without a doubt. He is a freak and dominated after a major acl tear. Players get better in their 2nd year. I am a keeper league Foster owner, and his touches will worry me along with many other people. Peterson is the easy #1 pick. And Calvin is still the easy #1 wr. He's on pace for more receptions and yards than Green. Year to year td's can vary, Green could have 10 next year while Calvin has 15. Also, I can't see Brees declining in value. He will be 34, still fine for an elite qb, and he's still on pace for 4900 yards and 40 td's. Matt Ryan will not pass him, let's not overrate one bad game for Brees. And Gronk's injury will be healed THIS year, it should have no affect on him being elite next year.

edit: Tony Gonzalez, while I don't think he will follow through with it, claims that he will retire after this year. That would obviously knock him out of the tight end discussion.

Edited by Red Sox Nation, 01 December 2012 - 06:48 PM.

[Red Sox Nation]

My very early and probably won't be the same as my thoughts in June 2013 top 10 (note, these are not what I think ADP will be, but how I will draft them) :

qb: 1. Rodgers, 2. Brees, 3. RG3 (sorry, I'm not taking a guy who puts himself at injury risk ahead of guys I've seen elite for numerous years)..4. Brady..after this kind of a tossup but I'll go with 5. Ryan, 6. Manning, 7. Stafford, 8. Cam, 9. Luck, 10. Eli (I see him with a bounceback, but if the Bengals sign a good #2 wr Dalton could jump higher).

rb: 1. Peterson, 2. Foster, 3. Rice, 4. Martin, 5. McCoy, 6. Lynch (if he doesn't get suspended), 7. T-Rich, 8. Spiller, 9. Forte (could be higher though), 10. lots of choices...I'll go Charles here..depends what they do with their quarterback though. If they can sign someone decent, he goes higher.

wr: 1. Calvin, 2. AJ, 3. Marshall, 4. Harvin, 5. Demaryius, 6. Julio, 7. Cruz (coincides with my feeling that Eli bounces back and he gets his contract), 8. Nelson (assuming Jennings is gone), 9. Andre (still can ball but another year older, I will probably move him up come June), 10. too many choices. Does Fitzgerald get a qb? Do the Colts get a #2 target to cut into Wayne's targets? Will Dez get a brain? Does Cobb continue to solidify himself? Does White not completely pass the torch to third year breakout Julio? Where does Welker sign? Will VJax learn what the word "consistency" means?

te: Graham, Gronk, and a bunch of question marks.

Edited by Red Sox Nation, 01 December 2012 - 07:06 PM.

[fredth3cat]

I think Newton's sophomore slump will scare away a lot of people from RGIII. I know we say this every year lately, but QB looks really deep. We have at least five guys who are locks for big numbers, with tons of upside in the following seven picks or so. In a ten-team league, I would have no problem with being the last team to draft a QB.

I agree that AP and Calvin are #1 at their respective positions, and it's not even close.

[Ryan81]

QB: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, RGIII, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Cam, Andy Dalton, Josh Freeman.

RB: Adrian Peterson, Arian Foster, Doug Martin, Ray Rice, Trent Richardson, Shady McCoy, CJ Spiller, Jamaal Charles, Marshawn Lynch, Darren Sproles.
Honorable mention: Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, Frank Gore, MJD.

WR: Megatron, AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Percy Harvin, Demaryius Thomas, Randall Cobb, Dez Bryant, Wes Welker, Reggie Wayne, Victor Cruz.
Honorable mention: Julio Jones, Roddy White, Marques Colston, Jordy Nelson, Vincent Jackson, Andre Johnson, Fitz.

TE: Graham/Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten.
Honorable mention: Heath Miller, Kyle Rudolph, Vernon Davis, Owen Daniels.

The honorable mention lists aren't in any particular order.

I don't think RGIII will be drafted as a top 5 QB since a lot of people will have Cam's sophomore season in their mind plus he's sort of like Michael Vick and takes unnecessary hits. Welker's stock could fall if he doesn't resign with NE. Spiller could rise or fall depending on the situation with Fred Jackson.

[lavaman]

You guys rock with these rankings. (yes, I'm still learning).

What a great site.

[natti]

fredth3cat, on 01 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Why do you see AP slipping? He's having a huge year and is on pace for 50+ catches.

one would hope that ponder progresses... his inability (or unwillingness) to throw beyond 10 yards downfield accounts for adp's career season with receptions. i would still take foster at number one, but adp is certainly #2. i would note that foster versus adp is very close and could go either way

[The Dirtdog]

lavaman, on 01 December 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

We've seen non-PPR ADP suggestions. How about the more popular PPR game? Does it change the rankings much?

Top 10 QB's, WR's, RB's, TE's?

QB's:  I think RGIII, Rodgers, and Matt Ryan will be ranked high, while Brees, and Brady take a slight hit. Look for Cam Newton to learn from his mistakes this year and play like a legit top 5 QB next season. Romo is not bad, but until he gets an O-Line his stats will decline.

WR's: AJ Green is the new king. Gone from the top are the likes of Roddy White and Andre Johnson. Who is up there with Green? Megatron and Marshall to name a couple. Don't be surprised if JJ finishes high next season. Vincent Jackson? Solid.

RB's: Foster is still the king, but look out for Doug Martin. Rice is top 3. And A.P. will slip a few notches. Spiller will almost for sure rise up in the rankings.

TE's: This position is a crap-shoot every season (besides the likes of Gonzo and Graham). Gronk is spectacular but coming off injury. Other than that, who you got?

Don't forget....this is for PPR. I'm interested to read everyone's take.

RB: Peterson is the king, even with his odd TD drought to start the season and the ACL injury he's 3rd in points at RB and behind first by 8.
WR: Roddy White and Andre Johnson are 5th and 6th in points, I wouldn't say that is gone from the top quite yet.  It's been a couple years since either of them have been in the top 2 anyway.   Vincent Jackson is also anything but solid, he's either amazing or he does nothing, very inconsistent.  Not a great PPR receiver, but decent.

[AshesAndLaughter]

I will contribute to this thread in July of 2013. Not much to really think about for next year's fantasy draft right now. I would be more "interested" in talking about the NFL 2013 draft instead.  By "interested" I mean, finding it more useful at this point in the year...and even that won't be very useful.

NFL Draft 2013 thread created in 3...2...1...

[cs3]

lavaman, on 01 December 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

fredth3cat, on 01 December 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Why do you see AP slipping? He's having a huge year and is on pace for 50+ catches.

Oh I'm aware that this guy is a beast in PPR. I just think the NFL takes it's toll on RB's. He won't slip much, but A.P. will slip.

Slip from where? this year his ADP was around the 2/3 turn. Next year it will surely be much much earlier - like Top 5 overall. He is not only destroying the league this season, but next year he will also be another off season removed from surgery.
I just dont understand your thinking on this one.

[Rob_P]

AshesAndLaughter, on 02 December 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

I will contribute to this thread in July of 2013. Not much to really think about for next year's fantasy draft right now. I would be more "interested" in talking about the NFL 2013 draft instead.  By "interested" I mean, finding it more useful at this point in the year...and even that won't be very useful.

NFL Draft 2013 thread created in 3...2...1...

Sure this may not be useful now but its fun to hypothesize and speculate.  Isn't it what forums are based on?  What we do know is we all could probably come up with a basic top 10 consensus....and we also know it would not be correct.  Surprises every year so wild guesses are fun.

[dudeondacouch]

Rice's value must be tempered against the probably lunacy of Cameron.

[jimithing11]

Yeah there is considerable difference between standard and PPR, obviously with WRs and RBs

Forte has little value in standard league, but catches enough balls to be a factor in PPR leagues. Rice's value is heightened because of all the balls he reels in.

As for WRs, Welker gets a huge boost in PPR, as does someone like Harvin or Randall Cobb. These are guys who can get only 50-60 yards, but rack up 7-8 catches and you're almost at 15 points easy.

[M23Greenberg]

QB - Rodgers, Brady, RGIII, Big Brother Manning, Stafford, Ryan, Little Brother Manning, Brees, Dalton, Schaub

RB - AP, Foster, Martin, Rice, McCoy, Spiller, TRich,  Lynch, CJ??, Sproles

WR - Megatron, Green, Marshall, Wayne, Harvin, Julio, Roddy, Cobb, Thomas, Fitz

TE - MEH?

[dudeondacouch]

You've got WAY too many QBs over Brees.