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Bucks 2012-2013 Season Outlook -- 1.7.13 -- Scott Skiles Shown the Door


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#1 thecreditgrabber

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:04 AM

he plays who he wants....but he doesnt know popovich uses different combination but it is consistent its not like what he does...sometimes ellis plays with dalembert the next day he will play with henson...it feels you are playing with a new team....

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:21 AM

Good theory. That could explain why some players are playing so bad and the team isn't doing very well.

I think he needs to stick with a starting core that consist of at least 3 players. He shouldn't need to rotate so many players, only role players.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:33 AM

This team would be a very solid playoff team if they (A) Traded for a small forward that can shoot or just play Ilyasova more. With bigs that can only block shots and not really play back to the basket, if they play Ilyasova at pf or find a shooter at sf it helps spread the floor. And (B) they need a more consistent coach. IF they found a coach who could settle on a regular line-up, the team would have more continuity. This isn't San Antonio, there aren't veterans like Duncan-Parker-Ginobili who can make any 2 players around them play well. The Bucks lack vet's with egos kept in check.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:34 AM

I think the best way for him to coach is to optimize the stats of my fantasy team. If he does that, then he's on the right track.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:45 AM

I think the best way for him to coach is to optimize the stats of my fantasy team. If he does that, then he's on the right track.


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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:50 AM


I think the best way for him to coach is to optimize the stats of my fantasy team. If he does that, then he's on the right track.


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hope they fire skiles and hire you hahahaha

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:34 AM

I'd be fine with Skiles' strategy as a coach if the Bucks were actually winning games, but even with an extremely talented back court and a supposedly crowded front court they're below .500. If they actually become a playoff contender this year (which they should considering their talent and the lack of depth in the East) then I can accept Skiles' coaching enigma.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:39 AM

the difference is pop actually wins games and gets production out of his players. it is nearly impossible to get any production out of your front court when you are using a 6 man rotation.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:40 AM

Ilyasova is only one player, I don't get why so many people on here are obsessed with him...think of it as he got a year ending injury or something and bench him until you see something from him, maybe he'll come around, maybe he won't. But one guy shouldn't crush your teams the way it seems like this guy has.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:40 AM

He definitely needs some consistency with his lineups, you can't change both players in your starting frontcourt every other game.

Pop is a pretty poor example, we know his starting lineup is Parker, Green, Leonard, and Duncan every night if they're healthy/not "resting." The only spot he plays with is center with Diaw/Blair/Splitter and that depends on the matchup

Edited by TheWhiteMamba, 06 December 2012 - 10:42 AM.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:09 PM

Skiles has as .506 winning percentage in over 800 games coached. The guy knows basketball and likes to play the game a certain way. Some guys fit in that structure, some guys don't. I would not spend to much time obsessing over Skiles or trying to figure out his rotations. This is how he has always coached and how he will always coach. I acknowledge my own mistake in drafting ilyasova without checking out there depth, that is on me, that is on you, that is on everyone who drafted him. We did not do our due dilligence in scouting out this situation. I don't believe in accountability and I have moved on from Ilyasova for the various reasons that have been punished into our heads enough.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:36 PM

Look at this roster, seriously.

Brandon Jennings
Monta Ellis
Beno Udrih
Doron Lamb
Marquis Daniels
Tobias Harris
Mike Dunleavy
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
John Henson
Ersan Ilyasova
Drew Gooden
Larry Sanders
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Przybilla
Ekpe Udoh

Do we really think this is a good roster? I sure don't. Skiles is trying to make lemonade out of lemons here. I'm not going to get so wrapped up in my fantasy player(s) that I distort what they actually have.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

I think that is a pretty talented roster. They have a lot of guys who fit specific roles. There bench is one of the best in the league. Udrih is one of the best back up PG's in the NBA, Dunleavy is a great 6th man, Sanders/Edoh are very good defensive players and elite at blocking shots, Mbah a Moute is a very good defensive player. Depending how Henson and Lamb develop they could be assets. The Bucks have a plethora of good players, not great. But Jennings before spraining his ankle looked like he was starting to make Derrick Rose like strides in his game, but ever since getting helped off the court he has looked terrible out there.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

They have like nobody who can create their own shot on the low block, every one of their PF/C types is a defensive specialist with no offensive game.

Monta Ellis is one of the most overrated chuckers in the league. He's not a good passer or rebounder, he doesn't score that efficiently and is brutal when it comes to guarding opposing 2s.

I wouldn't say Dunleavy is a "great 6th man," he's injured half the time anyway.

If you added a bona fide superstar to the Bucks, either at SF or C, that improves their team dramatically and I might start drinking the Kool-Aid, but as it stands their roster has some serious holes.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:52 PM

I agree, I think the Skiles hate from a fantasy perspective(in real life I don't care for him as a coach) is overstated. He plays Jennings and Monta 30+ minutes each night on a pretty consistent basis barring blowout or if a bench guy is doing significantly better. Harris should probably play more but Dunleavy is a good fit for their style, he just isnt consistent. Henson will be in and out of the rotation like most rookies and to this point Sanders has outplayed Ersan more nights than not. Being in and out of the rotation is the story of Dalembert's whole career pretty much because he's lazy, so now because of that Udoh and Sanders see the bulk of the minutes at center.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:55 PM

They have like nobody who can create their own shot on the low block, every one of their PF/C types is a defensive specialist with no offensive game.

Monta Ellis is one of the most overrated chuckers in the league. He's not a good passer or rebounder, he doesn't score that efficiently and is brutal when it comes to guarding opposing 2s.

I wouldn't say Dunleavy is a "great 6th man," he's injured half the time anyway.

If you added a bona fide superstar to the Bucks, either at SF or C, that improves their team dramatically and I might start drinking the Kool-Aid, but as it stands their roster has some serious holes.


True, they do need a better low post presence with some offensive game who is not just a complete liability on defense like Ilyasova. Skiles is a defensive minded coach, like it or not. If you are slow and make stupid low basketball IQ decisions like Ilyasova has on a consistent basis this year you will not play much. They should shop Sanders and someone to get a center who has some offensive game.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

These last few posts touch on few issues with the Bucks in my opinion.

Re: Skiles - "Skiles is trying to make lemonade out of lemons here." Doesn't this kind of sum up Skiles coaching resume? I've always felt he's the type of coach you hire when your team is making the transition from being good to bad, or simply put, from realistically competing for a championship to rebuilding for the future. Skiles comes in, takes a bunch of guys who are either slightly above average talent wise or slightly below (collectively as a group) and somehow gets the most out of them to remain just enough competitive wise to flirt (or make) the playoffs. I think he would probably make an excellent college coach, but I'm not sure he will ever be that guy that leads a team to a deep playoff run.

This leads me into my next point, which is the bigger picture for the Bucks. They seem to be caught in this cycle of being average, which isn't something you really want as an NBA franchise. They need to either make some moves to become a team that could make a run in the playoffs (which isn't realistic) or start selling off some of their attractive pieces and begin rebuilding. This style of management will not work because it would hinge on having an NBA Superstar signing with them in an off season to help push them over the top. This isn't happening, players simply do not like playing in Milwaukee. The only way they are getting a bonafide superstar will have to be through the draft which will be hard to do because they continue to be just good enough not to get a high pick, but at the same time still not good enough to get out of the first round (if they make the playoffs). Which brings us full circle, because I think Skiles is a big contributor to why they continue to be stuck in this cycle of being average(which could be considered a compliment in some ways but also a negative reflection in others),
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

this is not just about illyasova it was obviously a mistake drafting him and thats that. skiles is just a lunatic and his inconsistent rotations leaves him with abosulutely no prodction out of any of his bigs. if you watch the bucks play all you see is ellis and jennings chucking up shots terrible teamwork and terrible basketball. the only team that is maybe coached worse is the kings. both these teams have enough talent to work around but are just coached terribly. and yes i think the bucks have a pretty talented roster they should have no problem making the playoffs with how sad the east is. skiles is just holding them back with his nonsense

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

They have like nobody who can create their own shot on the low block, every one of their PF/C types is a defensive specialist with no offensive game.

Monta Ellis is one of the most overrated chuckers in the league. He's not a good passer or rebounder, he doesn't score that efficiently and is brutal when it comes to guarding opposing 2s.

I wouldn't say Dunleavy is a "great 6th man," he's injured half the time anyway.

If you added a bona fide superstar to the Bucks, either at SF or C, that improves their team dramatically and I might start drinking the Kool-Aid, but as it stands their roster has some serious holes.


Agree 100% with this. The Bucks roster sucks. It's a mishmash of inefficient combo guards who are undersized and have very little playmaking ability, defensive specialist big men with no post games, and swing guys with an inability to get their own shot. Basically, you have a bunch of guys that would be bench depth on winning organizations with maybe Jennings and Ellis being 6th men. It's good enough to be not good enough and as Tarheels pointed out, this is the most dangerous team to assemble in the NBA b/c you either need to be great drafters or be a FA destination where players want to go. Milwaukee is neither. Who wants to play in Milwaukee for god's sake? And as far as drafters, here are their first round picks the last 10 years:

#14 - John Henson -- Developmental big guy. Too early to tell.
#10 - Jimmer Fredette -- Traded for SJax (no longer with team), Udrih, Tobias Harris, Livingston (no longer with team). #10 pick for Udrih and Harris -- 2 backup level players
#15 - Larry Sanders -- just starting to make an impact but a defensive specialist, garbage man
#10 - Brandon Jennings -- undersized 2 guard masquerading as playmaker. Not a terrible player but still looking for his first season of shooting 42% from the field. This is probably the face of the franchise. Yuck. Probably a better Sixth man, instant offense type of guy.
#8 - Joe Alexander -- Playing in China. Never had an impact. Absolute bust.
#6 - Yi Jianlian -- See Alexander. At least he's from China.
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#1 - Andrew Bogut -- Not a terrible pick b/c very skilled but oft injured and since traded. Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Bynum, and Granger were others in that draft.
#8 - TJ Ford -- Started off well before horrific injury changed his career. His spine issue was known going into the draft though.
#13 - Marcus Haislip -- Out of the league in 3 years. Won't kill them because that draft was god awful. They do have the #3 and #4 pick in Dunleavy and Gooden on their current roster though. Small victories.

They are a poor team and terribly run organization, who have made the wrong decisions at almost every turn. Now include the point that they can't attract high level or elite FA talent because of location and that puts even more of a premium on drafting, player development and value hunting in FA, which they've failed epically at. Not sure what folks expect from this train wreck, but I would wager that LuN hit the nail on the head. "Play my guy because my fantasy team needs you to" is about the only reason to have an interest in the Bucks....
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:05 PM

jennings and monta are not starting caliber players... wow. last year after getting traded to the bucks monta shot his lowest fg % since his rookie year. now this year he is shooting a career low 39%. kinda shows how terrible this system really is.