Shin-Soo Choo 2013 Outlook12.11.12 -- Traded to Cincinnati
#1
Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:01 PM
SP- Kershaw, Cain,Ryu (Bathtub Jin), Tillman, RP- Parnell, Perkins, Veras, Gregerson, Henderson, Reynolds DL- Eaton and Putz
Trades (Gave/Got): Darvish, Chapman, Altuve - Kemp, Cain, Uggla, McCann
Carlos Gomez, Lohse, Voggelsong, Boggs - Heyward, Coco Crisp (days before Gomez exploded..) Seager, Ozuna - Rutledge, Parnell (lost Putz, had to get another closer)
Team 2 R, H, HR, RBI, BB, K, TB, AVG, OPS, NSB, SB%, W, L, CG, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, KBB, SV%, QS, NSV
C- Wieters 1B- Napoli/Laroche 2B- Phillips 3B-Longoria SS-A. Escobar LF- Crisp CF- Trout RF-JUp OF-CarGo 2.0 Util-Dunn/L.Cain Bench: Gattis, Rutledge, Eaton
SP- Lester, Kuroda, Gallardo, Ryu (Bathtub Jin), Tillman RP- Kimbrel, Chapman, D Robertson, Escalona DL- Ogando and Putz
#2
Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:08 PM
#3
Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:18 PM
The details are still being ironed out, but it's expected to be a three-team deal that involves Jason Donald going to the Reds with Choo, Didi Gregorius going to the Diamondbacks and Drew Stubbs and an Arizona pitcher going to the Indians. There could be multiple other players involved in the trade, as well. Choo is expected to play center field for the Reds, a position he's started just one game at since 2007.
Edited by det_tigers, 11 December 2012 - 09:21 PM.
C: M.Montero
1B: J.Votto
2B: B.Philips
3B: D.Wright
SS: A.Cabrera
OF: C.Gonzalez - M.Cabrera - N.Cruz
Util+Bench: P.Konerko - C.Crawford - T.Hunter - C.Headley - D.Ortiz - A.Hill (DL)
SP: F.Hernandez - G.Gonzalez - M.Bumgarner - CJ Wilson - Z.Greinke - R.Halladay - J.Beckett - C.Bucholz - J.Samardzija
RP: J.Grilli
12 Teams - H2H - 6x6 Cats
C: M.Montero
1B: P.Fielder
2B: A.Hill
3B: A.Ramirez
SS: M.Prado
OF: J.Ellsbury - S-S Choo - J.Bruce
Util+Bench: C.Beltran - C.Johnson - J.Segura - M.Teixeira(DL) - C.Hart(DL)
SP: S.Strasburg - M.Cain - M.Harvey - A.Ogando - P.Maholm - P.Corbin - D.Fister - T.Cingrani - B.Beachy(DL)
RP: F.Rodney - J.Valverde
#4
Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:21 PM
C-Castillo, M. Montero
CI-Rizzo, Zimmerman, Ike Davis
MI-Hill, Everth Cabrera, Rutledge, Carpenter
OF-Bruce, Choo, Cargo, A. Jones, Brown, Ruggiano, Reimold, Jennings
P-Vogelsong, Ryu, Hammel, Samardzija, Minor, Cobb, Morrow, Cashner, Bailey
RP-Casey Janssen, Rodney, Putz, Hernandez
#6
Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:25 PM
C - Castillo $9, Hanigan $4
CI - Sandoval $24, Frazier $10, Alvarez $2, Adams $3, Rendon $5
MI - Castro $27, Segura $16, Gyorko $11, Dietrich $3, Solano $10
OF - BJ Upton $26, Harper $10, Parra $11, Young $5, Moore $5, Taveras $10, Yelich $10, Sappelt $5
SP - Zimmerman $23, Harvey $11, Estrada $11, Minor $8, Corbin $7, Cashner $4, Beachy $3, Wheeler $10
RP - Soriano $25, Henderson $3, Brothers $10, Hector Rondon $2, Valverde $5, Paco Rodriguez $1
#7
Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:34 PM
#8
Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:08 PM
reds are extreme lefty-heavy now with Votto, Choo and Bruce
Dusty will have to figure out a way of using Frazier and Philips to hit between those three. If Choo leads off, would he hit Cozart second? that'd leave better flexibility after that. He could go Votto 3, Philips 4, Bruce 5, Fraiser 6.
avg/ops/hr/r/rbi/sb * k/w/whip/era/sv
C/ M. Montero
1B/ Butler
2B/ Pedroia
SS/ Cozart
MI/ Prado
3B/ Machado
CI/ Craig
OF/ CarGo
OF/ J Upton
OF/ Ellsbury
Ut/ Konerko
SP/ Latos, Anibal, De La Rosa, Gallardo, Parker, Fernandez,
Cashner, Detwiler, Parker, Kazmir, Beckett
DL/ Anderson, Hudson
#9
Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:22 PM
LyondellBasell, on 11 December 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:
reds are extreme lefty-heavy now with Votto, Choo and Bruce
Dusty will have to figure out a way of using Frazier and Philips to hit between those three. If Choo leads off, would he hit Cozart second? that'd leave better flexibility after that. He could go Votto 3, Philips 4, Bruce 5, Fraiser 6.
Reports from CIN beat reporter (can't find link, on mobile) said Choo was going to bat leadoff.
Plays in that lineup.
Moves to NL where pitching depth not as strong.
Plays half games in bandbox.
Plays @ MIL, STL, Wrigley (PIT only neutral to P-friendly park).
As I said in the trade thread - that sound you heard was the Choo-Choo hype train taking off.
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#10
Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:17 PM
#11
Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:47 PM
jsp2014, on 11 December 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:
Fair points - but the hype train on Choo will still be insane.
He has always been a great value pick until the DUI/injuries hit him the last 2 years - thought he'd make a nice bounceback candidate at age 30 this year - but the chances of getting him as a post-hype value just went out the window.
AL-only 5x5, Roto - 2010 & 2011 league champion
RotoWood 2011 League Runner-Up - Mixed Roto regular season / H2H playoff 5x5 format - 3rd place reg. season, lost in finals
Been a blast everyone - take care, and remember to abide by the CoC, and to help your fellow community out - it's what's made the Forum community great!
P.S. My passion is primarily FBB - you'd LOL at my football track record!
#12
Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:03 AM
RotoRaysfan, on 11 December 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:
LyondellBasell, on 11 December 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:
reds are extreme lefty-heavy now with Votto, Choo and Bruce
Dusty will have to figure out a way of using Frazier and Philips to hit between those three. If Choo leads off, would he hit Cozart second? that'd leave better flexibility after that. He could go Votto 3, Philips 4, Bruce 5, Fraiser 6.
Reports from CIN beat reporter (can't find link, on mobile) said Choo was going to bat leadoff.
Plays in that lineup.
Moves to NL where pitching depth not as strong.
Plays half games in bandbox.
Plays @ MIL, STL, Wrigley (PIT only neutral to P-friendly park).
As I said in the trade thread - that sound you heard was the Choo-Choo hype train taking off.
Seems like fantasy gold...almost to good to be true. But, me thinks he'll still fly under the radar.
#13
Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:09 AM
Edited by Cmilne23, 12 December 2012 - 02:10 AM.
#14
Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:21 AM
baltimore_boy, on 11 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:
Not really. Hamilton wasn't going be up until mid-season anyway, at the earliest. The Reds really don't want to rush him. Choo is meant to be a one year bridge to Hamilton. He'll be up in August or September which puts off his eta by 1 or 2 months.
"Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."
#15
Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:44 PM
dan, on 12 December 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:
baltimore_boy, on 11 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:
Not really. Hamilton wasn't going be up until mid-season anyway, at the earliest. The Reds really don't want to rush him. Choo is meant to be a one year bridge to Hamilton. He'll be up in August or September which puts off his eta by 1 or 2 months.
#16
Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:52 PM
#17
Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:47 PM
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#18
Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:31 PM
dzemens, on 12 December 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:
if anything I think it's better to have that at the top of the lineup because he's not in a lineup spot that values productive outs.
Edited by jsp2014, 12 December 2012 - 06:31 PM.
#19
Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:42 PM
dzemens, on 12 December 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:
I have to say, I don't really follow the Indians closely, but didn't Choo hit leadoff for part of last year? Wasn't he decent in that spot? I just remember him being a hit machine in a series against the O's.
C - Castillo $9, Hanigan $4
CI - Sandoval $24, Frazier $10, Alvarez $2, Adams $3, Rendon $5
MI - Castro $27, Segura $16, Gyorko $11, Dietrich $3, Solano $10
OF - BJ Upton $26, Harper $10, Parra $11, Young $5, Moore $5, Taveras $10, Yelich $10, Sappelt $5
SP - Zimmerman $23, Harvey $11, Estrada $11, Minor $8, Corbin $7, Cashner $4, Beachy $3, Wheeler $10
RP - Soriano $25, Henderson $3, Brothers $10, Hector Rondon $2, Valverde $5, Paco Rodriguez $1
#20
Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:30 PM
baltimore_boy, on 12 December 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:
dzemens, on 12 December 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:
I have to say, I don't really follow the Indians closely, but didn't Choo hit leadoff for part of last year? Wasn't he decent in that spot? I just remember him being a hit machine in a series against the O's.
He did bat leadoff and had very good success there.
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