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[RNiner]

He definitely has a point, and surrounding their other young guys with a hard-worker like Prado is actually a really good move.

It just makes no sense not to demand more for a talent like Justin, even if you don't like him.  Why not make Atl toss in Teheran and another good prospect too?  Atlanta can say they'd pass all they want... I'd call BS.   Justin is an excellent fit in Atlanta, and I'm pretty sure they'd have parted with Teheran if Towers hadn't made it clear for two years how much he disliked Justin.  He slowly and meticulously erroded his own market before lamenting the poor market and making a bad trade.  LOL

[Stickfig13]

mjk356, on 25 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Stickfig13, on 25 January 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

mjk356, on 25 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

These quotes from Towers regarding the Upton trade are embarrassing.

"Different clubs like to look for certain intangibles," Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers said. "We like that gritty, grinder type. Hard-nosed. I'm not saying Justin isn't that type of guy."

"Sometimes people's mannerisms and the way they carry themselves – they might not perceive him as the grinder type," Towers said, and he used that word again. Grinder.

LOL, the justification to trade Upton is that he's not a "gritty, grinder type."  Such old-school nonsense.

The SF Giants don't think that that's a bad strategy. Guys who play hard every day.

Proof is in the two rings they have

Oh God, spare me.  The Giants have won the World Series because they have had tremendous pitching in the bullpen and rotation.  Not because of "gritty, grinder" types.

What? Scutaro and Cosy Ross would tell you different

[parrothead]

Stickfig13, on 28 January 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

mjk356, on 25 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Stickfig13, on 25 January 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

mjk356, on 25 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

These quotes from Towers regarding the Upton trade are embarrassing.

"Different clubs like to look for certain intangibles," Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers said. "We like that gritty, grinder type. Hard-nosed. I'm not saying Justin isn't that type of guy."

"Sometimes people's mannerisms and the way they carry themselves – they might not perceive him as the grinder type," Towers said, and he used that word again. Grinder.

LOL, the justification to trade Upton is that he's not a "gritty, grinder type."  Such old-school nonsense.

The SF Giants don't think that that's a bad strategy. Guys who play hard every day.

Proof is in the two rings they have

Oh God, spare me.  The Giants have won the World Series because they have had tremendous pitching in the bullpen and rotation.  Not because of "gritty, grinder" types.

What? Scutaro and Cosy Ross would tell you different

Cody Ross was a block against the Padres getting him, your chosen bat was Jose Guillen..what a gritty gamer he is if you guys were running away with the division, you probably dont even add him.  Your welcome!!!

You guys made a trade for Alfonso Soriano, but he wouldnt come so...another "gamer"..  

Look, you guys won two WS and nobody can take that away, but your GM's "spin" of those WS as somehow being a grand plan like Cody Ross, when Guillen was his bat or how it was all about defense with Blanco when in fact the only reason he was out there was because Soriano wouldnt come is revisionist history at its best.

Edited by The Harsh, 28 January 2013 - 07:32 PM.
Profanity.

[Indiana Bob]

Arizona's future really took a hit with Tower's trades this winter.  Trading high potential for gritty mediocrity is not a formula for high success.  You get your gritty guys off the waiver wire and as low priced free agents to be on your bench as utility players or to fill gaping holes that your minor league players are not ready to fill yet.

[mjk356]

Towers should put Jim Tracy on the coaching staff.  We all know Tracy spooges his pants at the sight of gritty veterans.  He would be a kid in a candy store with Ross, Bloomquist, Pennington, etc.

[RotoRaysfan]

https://twitter.com/...375363991351297

So the centerpiece of the Bauer deal has a small UCL "issue", and won't be ready for the start of the season.

Wow.  

[dzemens]

For all the talk of how gritty and old school the Diamonbacks want to be, there sure are a lot of guys that run their mouths a lot.

This news of UCL issues for Gregorious is just hilarious, making a poor move look even worse.

[Travdaddy10]

I just have to bump this because so many people were giving the D-backs crap for that Upton trade. Well apparently they don't miss him.

[2445ricardo]

Who would miss JUp when they literally struck Gold-y.

[mjk356]

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

I just have to bump this because so many people were giving the D-backs crap for that Upton trade. Well apparently they don't miss him.

It was still an absolutely godawful trade.  The fact that they're playing well to this point doesn't change that.  They traded away Upton for a guy in Prado whose OPS is .659 and in order to sign a guy in Cody Ross, whose OPS is .654.  That is AWFUL.  The key ingredients to their success have been Corbin pitching out of his mind and Goldschmidt playing at an MVP level.  Parra and Gregorious have also been big for them.

Towers is fortunate that Dipoto made the deal of Dan Haren for Corbin and Skaggs, which was widely panned at the time, but has turned into a real steal for Arizona..

[Travdaddy10]

mjk356, on 05 June 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

I just have to bump this because so many people were giving the D-backs crap for that Upton trade. Well apparently they don't miss him.

It was still an absolutely godawful trade.  The fact that they're playing well to this point doesn't change that.  They traded away Upton for a guy in Prado whose OPS is .659 and in order to sign a guy in Cody Ross, whose OPS is .654.  That is AWFUL.  The key ingredients to their success have been Corbin pitching out of his mind and Goldschmidt playing at an MVP level.  Parra and Gregorious have also been big for them.

Towers is fortunate that Dipoto made the deal of Dan Haren for Corbin and Skaggs, which was widely panned at the time, but has turned into a real steal for Arizona..

Wait so he made the trade that was widely panned at the time and it's working out. Then he made that Bauer trade which was widely panned and Gregorius has the third best OPS at SS in the national leauge as a rookie and his defensive is above average. But we are still worried about what he did with Upton? Ok, maybe he knew he was going to have to pay Goldy and got rid of him. And Upton started hot, now not so much.

[mjk356]

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

mjk356, on 05 June 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

I just have to bump this because so many people were giving the D-backs crap for that Upton trade. Well apparently they don't miss him.

It was still an absolutely godawful trade.  The fact that they're playing well to this point doesn't change that.  They traded away Upton for a guy in Prado whose OPS is .659 and in order to sign a guy in Cody Ross, whose OPS is .654.  That is AWFUL.  The key ingredients to their success have been Corbin pitching out of his mind and Goldschmidt playing at an MVP level.  Parra and Gregorious have also been big for them.

Towers is fortunate that Dipoto made the deal of Dan Haren for Corbin and Skaggs, which was widely panned at the time, but has turned into a real steal for Arizona..

Wait so he made the trade that was widely panned at the time and it's working out. Then he made that Bauer trade which was widely panned and Gregorius has the third best OPS at SS in the national leauge as a rookie and his defensive is above average. But we are still worried about what he did with Upton? Ok, maybe he knew he was going to have to pay Goldy and got rid of him. And Upton started hot, now not so much.

How is the trade working out?  It hasn't worked out at all.  The guy Towers traded Upton for has been terrible.  Think about how much better that team would be with Upton/Goldschmidt hitting 3/4 versus Kubel or Ross hitting after Goldschmidt.  As far as trading Upton to ink Goldschmidt, that makes no sense because they signed Ross to a multiyear deal and extended Prado.

You have to be a D-Backs' homer to think that trade was decent.  The D-Backs' have a lot of talented young arms and the future looks good, but that trade was beyond bad.  Even if I was a homer, I would admit that.

[Travdaddy10]

mjk356, on 05 June 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

mjk356, on 05 June 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

I just have to bump this because so many people were giving the D-backs crap for that Upton trade. Well apparently they don't miss him.

It was still an absolutely godawful trade.  The fact that they're playing well to this point doesn't change that.  They traded away Upton for a guy in Prado whose OPS is .659 and in order to sign a guy in Cody Ross, whose OPS is .654.  That is AWFUL.  The key ingredients to their success have been Corbin pitching out of his mind and Goldschmidt playing at an MVP level.  Parra and Gregorious have also been big for them.

Towers is fortunate that Dipoto made the deal of Dan Haren for Corbin and Skaggs, which was widely panned at the time, but has turned into a real steal for Arizona..

Wait so he made the trade that was widely panned at the time and it's working out. Then he made that Bauer trade which was widely panned and Gregorius has the third best OPS at SS in the national leauge as a rookie and his defensive is above average. But we are still worried about what he did with Upton? Ok, maybe he knew he was going to have to pay Goldy and got rid of him. And Upton started hot, now not so much.

How is the trade working out?  It hasn't worked out at all.  The guy Towers traded Upton for has been terrible.  Think about how much better that team would be with Upton/Goldschmidt hitting 3/4 versus Kubel or Ross hitting after Goldschmidt.  As far as trading Upton to ink Goldschmidt, that makes no sense because they signed Ross to a multiyear deal and extended Prado.

You have to be a D-Backs' homer to think that trade was decent.  The D-Backs' have a lot of talented young arms and the future looks good, but that trade was beyond bad.  Even if I was a homer, I would admit that.

I'm a Twins fan. Maybe they didn't get a lot in return for the Upton trade, but they are making up for it with the Bauer trade. I'm not that big of a fan of Upton though. He's way too streaky.

[Reverse Cowgill]

mjk356, on 05 June 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

mjk356, on 05 June 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Travdaddy10, on 05 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

I just have to bump this because so many people were giving the D-backs crap for that Upton trade. Well apparently they don't miss him.

It was still an absolutely godawful trade.  The fact that they're playing well to this point doesn't change that.  They traded away Upton for a guy in Prado whose OPS is .659 and in order to sign a guy in Cody Ross, whose OPS is .654.  That is AWFUL.  The key ingredients to their success have been Corbin pitching out of his mind and Goldschmidt playing at an MVP level.  Parra and Gregorious have also been big for them.

Towers is fortunate that Dipoto made the deal of Dan Haren for Corbin and Skaggs, which was widely panned at the time, but has turned into a real steal for Arizona..

Wait so he made the trade that was widely panned at the time and it's working out. Then he made that Bauer trade which was widely panned and Gregorius has the third best OPS at SS in the national leauge as a rookie and his defensive is above average. But we are still worried about what he did with Upton? Ok, maybe he knew he was going to have to pay Goldy and got rid of him. And Upton started hot, now not so much.

How is the trade working out?  It hasn't worked out at all.  The guy Towers traded Upton for has been terrible.  Think about how much better that team would be with Upton/Goldschmidt hitting 3/4 versus Kubel or Ross hitting after Goldschmidt.  As far as trading Upton to ink Goldschmidt, that makes no sense because they signed Ross to a multiyear deal and extended Prado.

You have to be a D-Backs' homer to think that trade was decent.  The D-Backs' have a lot of talented young arms and the future looks good, but that trade was beyond bad.  Even if I was a homer, I would admit that.

It was a bad trade looking at player for player, but when you take into account that Upton was toxic in Arizona, it makes sense.  Upton had a bad year last year because he hated AZ, he was restricting management by his no trade clause, and Prado fits Kirk Gibson's system like a glove.  Its too bad that he's just not performing.

I agree I would love a Parra, Hill/Didi, Upton, Goldy 1-2-3-4 lineup, but there are extraneous variables in baseball besides Uptons incredible talent

[9703]

I think that this is probably the most interesting team in baseball. I think Towers' moves are terrible in terms of value, but it's actually a pretty good team and I thought so before the season started.

I think they'll win the division.