2013 Offseason Closer ThreadFeb. 26: ANA/TOR discussion center-stage
#1
Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:07 PM
NL West:
Dodgers - League
Giants - Romo
Padres - Street
D'Backs - Putz
Rockies - Betancourt
NL Central:
Reds - Broxton
Brewers - Axford? (Not very good last year)
Cards - Motte
Pirates - Hanrahan? (Trade rumors swirl)
Cubs - Marmol?
NL East:
Braves - Kimbrel
Nationals - Clippard/Storen?
Marlins - Choate
Phillies - Papelbon
Mets - Francisco/Parnell?
Feel free to comment/correct/update.
"...the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." ~ Bill Veeck
"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson
"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey
"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby
"Winning depends on where you put your priorities. It's usually best to put them over the fence." ~ Jason Giambi
#2
Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:12 PM
#3
Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:31 AM
- Marshall is another possibility for that. he's draftable for ratios and should get another crack if Brox falters or gets hurt again
- Gregerson should finally be a safe #2 behind Street after the job he did before Street got back
- Kenley over League
- Romo gets the kid gloves treatment so Casilla or even Affeldt (Lopez?) might be worth a pick in deeper leagues
- Marmol is as good as gone
- don't think the Pirates will get much for Hanrahan, so they could keep him and hope to trade him at the deadline
- I think Clippard is better than Storen, and will be cheaper in drafts so I might gamble on him
- Choate is a bona fide LOOGY. Cishek is a much better bet to close
- Frank Frank was atrocious and is going under the knife (minor) so I'll take another shot on Parnell
Tier 1 NL
Kimbrel
Tier 2 NL (no order)
Jansen
Motte
Tier 3
Romo
Broxton
Cishek
Street (must handcuff to Gregerson)
Putz (must handcuff to Hernandez)
Betancourt
as usual I'll probably target those tier 3 guys.
Edited by jsp2014, 21 December 2012 - 12:31 AM.
#4
Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:08 AM
It definitely is too early to start tracking closers.
My Roster
PG --- Chris Paul (LAC) === [3rd Overall]
PF/C --- Serge Ibaka (OKC) === [27th Overall]
PF/C --- Anthony Davis (NO) === [46th Overall]
PF --- Dirk Nowitzki (DAL) === [22nd]
PF/C --- Kevin Garnett (BOS) === [51st]
PG --- Goran Dragic (PHX) === [48th / Trade]
SG/SF --- Klay Thompson (GS) === [70th]
SG/SF --- Aaron Afflalo (ORL) === [94th]
PG/SG --- Jamal Crawford (LAC) === [FA]
SF/PF --- Earl Clark (LAL) === [FA]
C --- Tiago Splitter (SA) === [FA]
PG/SG --- Erics Bledsoe (LAC) === [FA]
Originally Drafted But No Longer On Team
C - Brook Lopez (BKN) = [75th] , SG - O.J. Mayo (DAL) = [99th] , PG - Jameer Nelson (ORL) = [118th] , PG/SG - Greivis Vasquez (NO) = [123rd]
#5
Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:34 AM
One thing I am interested in is the Nationals closing situation. I would think Storen gets a shot, but with the way Clippard pitched while he was down it could go either way.
#6
Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:11 AM
jsp2014, on 21 December 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:
- Marshall is another possibility for that. he's draftable for ratios and should get another crack if Brox falters or gets hurt again
- Gregerson should finally be a safe #2 behind Street after the job he did before Street got back
- Kenley over League
- Romo gets the kid gloves treatment so Casilla or even Affeldt (Lopez?) might be worth a pick in deeper leagues
- Marmol is as good as gone
- don't think the Pirates will get much for Hanrahan, so they could keep him and hope to trade him at the deadline
- I think Clippard is better than Storen, and will be cheaper in drafts so I might gamble on him
- Choate is a bona fide LOOGY. Cishek is a much better bet to close
- Frank Frank was atrocious and is going under the knife (minor) so I'll take another shot on Parnell
Tier 1 NL
Kimbrel
Tier 2 NL (no order)
Jansen
Motte
Tier 3
Romo
Broxton
Cishek
Street (must handcuff to Gregerson)
Putz (must handcuff to Hernandez)
Betancourt
as usual I'll probably target those tier 3 guys.
Where does Papelbon slot in?
"Oh, you can't scare me, I'm stickin' to the Union!"
#7
Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:46 AM
I agree that Jansen is the far more talented, but as was already mentioned, the Dodgers are saying League, right now. You also have Jansen's heart issue that may or may not factor into the equation.
"...the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." ~ Bill Veeck
"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson
"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey
"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby
"Winning depends on where you put your priorities. It's usually best to put them over the fence." ~ Jason Giambi
#8
Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:01 AM
C: M.Montero
1B: J.Votto
2B: B.Philips
3B: D.Wright
SS: A.Cabrera
OF: C.Gonzalez - M.Cabrera - N.Cruz
Util+Bench: P.Konerko - C.Crawford - T.Hunter - C.Headley - D.Ortiz - A.Hill (DL)
SP: F.Hernandez - G.Gonzalez - M.Bumgarner - CJ Wilson - Z.Greinke - R.Halladay - J.Beckett - C.Bucholz - J.Samardzija
RP: J.Grilli
12 Teams - H2H - 6x6 Cats
C: M.Montero
1B: P.Fielder
2B: A.Hill
3B: A.Ramirez
SS: M.Prado
OF: J.Ellsbury - S-S Choo - J.Bruce
Util+Bench: C.Beltran - C.Johnson - J.Segura - M.Teixeira(DL) - C.Hart(DL)
SP: S.Strasburg - M.Cain - M.Harvey - A.Ogando - P.Maholm - P.Corbin - D.Fister - T.Cingrani - B.Beachy(DL)
RP: F.Rodney - J.Valverde
#9
Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:21 AM
"...the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." ~ Bill Veeck
"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson
"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey
"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby
"Winning depends on where you put your priorities. It's usually best to put them over the fence." ~ Jason Giambi
#10
Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:49 AM
det_tigers, on 21 December 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:
Actually there were more closers who kept their jobs than lost their jobs.
#11
Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:54 AM
Timmah!, on 21 December 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:
jsp2014, on 21 December 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:
- Marshall is another possibility for that. he's draftable for ratios and should get another crack if Brox falters or gets hurt again
- Gregerson should finally be a safe #2 behind Street after the job he did before Street got back
- Kenley over League
- Romo gets the kid gloves treatment so Casilla or even Affeldt (Lopez?) might be worth a pick in deeper leagues
- Marmol is as good as gone
- don't think the Pirates will get much for Hanrahan, so they could keep him and hope to trade him at the deadline
- I think Clippard is better than Storen, and will be cheaper in drafts so I might gamble on him
- Choate is a bona fide LOOGY. Cishek is a much better bet to close
- Frank Frank was atrocious and is going under the knife (minor) so I'll take another shot on Parnell
Tier 1 NL
Kimbrel
Tier 2 NL (no order)
Jansen
Motte
Tier 3
Romo
Broxton
Cishek
Street (must handcuff to Gregerson)
Putz (must handcuff to Hernandez)
Betancourt
as usual I'll probably target those tier 3 guys.
Where does Papelbon slot in?
oops. I'd probably rate him as the 2nd best in the NL. not in Kimbrel's tier.
didn't know that they pegged League as the closer. I still like Jansen but clearly needs to drop down a tier if he won't be getting saves out the gate.
#12
Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:55 AM
det_tigers, on 21 December 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:
I hope we don't go down this road again, because it has been beaten to death.
if you play in a competitive league, especially a roto league, it is not as simple as picking up closers from the WW at your leisure.
#13
Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:02 AM
jsp2014, on 21 December 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:
det_tigers, on 21 December 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:
I hope we don't go down this road again, because it has been beaten to death.
if you play in a competitive league, especially a roto league, it is not as simple as picking up closers from the WW at your leisure.
#14
Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM
C - Castillo $9, Hanigan $4
CI - Sandoval $24, Frazier $10, Alvarez $2, Adams $3, Rendon $5
MI - Castro $27, Segura $16, Gyorko $11, Dietrich $3, Solano $10
OF - BJ Upton $26, Harper $10, Parra $11, Young $5, Moore $5, Taveras $10, Yelich $10, Sappelt $5
SP - Zimmerman $23, Harvey $11, Estrada $11, Minor $8, Corbin $7, Cashner $4, Beachy $3, Wheeler $10
RP - Soriano $25, Henderson $3, Brothers $10, Hector Rondon $2, Valverde $5, Paco Rodriguez $1
#15
Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:09 PM
<<<<this guy for 2013
#16
Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:37 PM
Slatykamora, on 21 December 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:
<<<<this guy for 2013
I'm thinking he puts up another All Star caliber year on a playoff Orioles team.
C - Castillo $9, Hanigan $4
CI - Sandoval $24, Frazier $10, Alvarez $2, Adams $3, Rendon $5
MI - Castro $27, Segura $16, Gyorko $11, Dietrich $3, Solano $10
OF - BJ Upton $26, Harper $10, Parra $11, Young $5, Moore $5, Taveras $10, Yelich $10, Sappelt $5
SP - Zimmerman $23, Harvey $11, Estrada $11, Minor $8, Corbin $7, Cashner $4, Beachy $3, Wheeler $10
RP - Soriano $25, Henderson $3, Brothers $10, Hector Rondon $2, Valverde $5, Paco Rodriguez $1
#17
Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:50 PM
baltimore_boy, on 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:
I don't think Holland is out of nowhere.
my bet is on David Hernandez. we know that, if given the chance, he is a top notch closer. and all that's standing in front of him is a brittle and aging J.J. Putz.
#18
Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:46 AM
I am an owner in an NL Only Dynasty and I am concerned.
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
SP7 Edwin Jackson (Free Agent) SP8 Josh Becket
[size=4]SP 9 Scott Kazmir[/size]
CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
HLD1 Clippard $3 HLD2 Benoit $1 HLD3 Belisle
#19
Posted 24 December 2012 - 04:13 PM
Halo Fan, on 21 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:
But being a roto league, with 13 teams often times the bottom three teams start to fall out of contention pretty quickly often times one of them has a non-keeper closer type you can pry for pretty cheap OR a team ended up with 3 closers and maybe you can make a deal. There are a lot of options when it comes to finiding a closer, even with the limited pick up system we have, I still wouldnt go overboard for a closer. I might open the season with 3 lower end ones, hoping 2 of them work out and with the instability at the position through the league, a lot of teams go this route, so you can find value.
#20
Posted 24 December 2012 - 04:16 PM
jsp2014, on 21 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:
baltimore_boy, on 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:
I don't think Holland is out of nowhere.
my bet is on David Hernandez. we know that, if given the chance, he is a top notch closer. and all that's standing in front of him is a brittle and aging J.J. Putz.
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