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#1 Halo Fan

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

I'm looking to compile a list of former prospects that were supposed to be amazing that fell far short of expectations in the majors. I'm particularly concerned with SP, but any position would be useful. Can you all help me out?

Right off hand I think of only a few:

Ben McDonald
Scott Kazmir

Greg Jeffries

Who else can we add to the list?
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

Brien Taylor
Todd Van Poppel


hitters:
Andy Marte

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:24 PM

Matt Bush really fell apart with legal issues.
Luke Hochevar may count. He made it to the majors, but has been trash so far.
Chris Volstad never came around at the majors.

Bill Rowell is out of baseball now.
Jeff Clement never developed.
Lastings Milledge flared out quickly.
Donavan Tate was supposed to be real good, but has spent 3 mediocre years in A ball.
Matt LaPorta.

Edited by baltimore_boy, 22 December 2012 - 04:25 PM.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

Rowell & Clement are great examples.

I'm dating myself, but Brien Taylor.

Thankfully, prospecting is much better than in the past, but every once in a while we still have big whiffs, including:

-Tim Beckham (book's not closed, but the #1 pick was a bust there)
-Matt Bush (Padres went cheap, and paid dearly)

Re: Big Ben, Kazmir, and Jefferies - at least they had some degree of MLB success (but yeah, the results didn't match the hype - at least for both Kaz & Ben, injuries derailed some serious talent - can't say the same for the Rowells/Clement/Bush/Beckham).
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:15 AM

Being from the boston area, I know of Craig Hansen, Trot Nixon, Brian Rose, and Jeff Juden(from the area).  Mark Prior to an extent? Justin Smoak...does fukudome count?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

Kevin Maas too!
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:52 AM

How about Brandon Wood. Huge third base  prospect from the angels. He crushed minor league pitching but couldn't hit his weight everytime they sent him down and called him back. Hank Blalock another one that really didn't go off like many thought. But not nearly as bad as Woth last year but is now an outfielderame back to earod.
Alex Gordon took a few years before hitting a couple of years ago . Came back to earth last season but is now an outfielder.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:54 PM

Speaking of Brandon Wood, I'll throw out another former Angel 3B prospect, Dallas McPherson.
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"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray

"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson

"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey

"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:05 AM

Andy Marte, Lastings Milledge, Jeremy Hermidia, Rick Ankiel, Jon Rauch (BA MiLB POY 2000), Roco Baldelli, Jeff Francis, Andrew Miller, Ian Stewart, Joba Chamberlin.

Some of them were still servicible major leaguers but never lived up to the billing that they at one point had.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 03:14 AM

Ankiel lived up to the hype. He just crashed back down to and through the earth, losing all control and confidence. Then he rebuilt himself into a serviceable OF.
"Only boring people find baseball boring." ~ Peter Golenboch

"...the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." ~ Bill Veeck

"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray

"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson

"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey

"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby

"Winning depends on where you put your priorities. It's usually best to put them over the fence." ~ Jason Giambi

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

View PostHalo Fan, on 24 December 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Ankiel lived up to the hype. He just crashed back down to and through the earth, losing all control and confidence. Then he rebuilt himself into a serviceable OF.

I wouldnt really call a half season of great performances living up to the hype. If you bought into him as a front line start and staff ace then he definately did not live up to the hype. If you had said when he was coming up that ok youll get 1 great season from this guy then he will be a train wreck and eventually a below average starting OF anyone would have called that a dissappointing outcome. He wasn't a complete disaster certainly but with what was expected from him yes he was a miss.
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OF- Cargo, Alex Gordon, Jason Heyward, Michael Brantley, Marcell Ozuna, Oswaldo Arcia (DL),

SP- Cole Hamels , Yordano Ventura, Jordan Zimmerman, Homer Bailey, Tony Cingrani, Zack Wheeler, Alex Wood,   Derek Holland (DL),
RP- Sergio Romo, Kenley Jansen, Casey Jannsen,  Cody Allen, Drew Storen

Farm Team- Carson Kelly, Maikel Franco, Jake Marisnick,  Michael Choice, Matt Wisler, Lucas Sims, James Paxton, Kevin Gausman, Raimel Tapia, Franklin Barretto, Nick Williams, J.P. Crawford, Jesse Winker

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

2 words.....RYAN GARKO
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:59 AM

Jordan Lyles.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

View Postimnottheonly, on 24 December 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

View PostHalo Fan, on 24 December 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Ankiel lived up to the hype. He just crashed back down to and through the earth, losing all control and confidence. Then he rebuilt himself into a serviceable OF.

I wouldnt really call a half season of great performances living up to the hype. If you bought into him as a front line start and staff ace then he definately did not live up to the hype. If you had said when he was coming up that ok youll get 1 great season from this guy then he will be a train wreck and eventually a below average starting OF anyone would have called that a dissappointing outcome. He wasn't a complete disaster certainly but with what was expected from him yes he was a miss.
He was the No.1 Pitching prospect in baseball, dude had ridiculous numbers:
194K in 137 innings in 1999 between AA and AAA at 19 years old.  
Angels Wood and McPHerson came immediately to mind.

Couple of Andersons on the list:
Matt Anderson of the Tigers - guy often popped 100MPH on radar guy, everyone was waiting for him as next great closer.
Ryan Anderson - Mariners aka "the Space Needle"  people thought he was next Randy Johnson he was at or near the top prospects in game for a few years.

Some others I know I bought into:
Sean Burroughs - son of former major leaguer Jeff Burroughs, I think he was on a LLWS team, maybe the one from Jersey, got a ton of pub.
Adam Piatt - won Texas League triple crown for the A's system another A was Ben Grieve.

Mets had 3 pitching studs as starters, I know one was Jason Isringhausen who had nice career as closer, but two others one was Bill Pulsipher, I always forget the third guy.  

Two guys who missed in two sports both as QB of my Dallas Cowboys: Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson.  Quincy Carter was also a baseball guy but not a great prospect who QBed the Cowboys.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 06:02 AM

I know it's the baseball forum, but since you brought up football, one guy that  always seems to pop into my head when I think about this forum topic is Ryan Leaf.
"Only boring people find baseball boring." ~ Peter Golenboch

"...the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." ~ Bill Veeck

"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray

"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson

"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey

"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby

"Winning depends on where you put your priorities. It's usually best to put them over the fence." ~ Jason Giambi

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

View PostHalo Fan, on 25 December 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

I know it's the baseball forum, but since you brought up football, one guy that  always seems to pop into my head when I think about this forum topic is Ryan Leaf.

And Kyle Boller and Mark Clayton. Both were pretty bad for my Ravens.

Back to baseball, I'd add Brian Matusz to the list. Yes, he was great out of the bullpen, but for a guy that was supposed to help rescue your franchise and be the ace the team had been searching for, a LOOGY is not really that spectacular.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:22 AM

I love those topics. Sleepers, Can't miss, Breakout players? Whatever and the people repling never think if the player fit to be listed in the topic. a few thoughts on the players bring up.

Scott Kazmir - Can he be called a miss, He did meet the hype at first few years but he did drop off early in the last few years but he is only 28 years old and there is a chance of a rebound. Not saying there will be but he is young enough there still a chance.

Greg Jeffries - Did this pot head really ever get that Hype?

Matt LaPorta - He is still very young and he still has 3 or maybe 4 season left before you can fairly call him a bust.

Joba Chamberlin - I wouldn't call him a miss but it's the yankees have not used him in a mather that his a value to a fantasy team.

Jordan Lyles - He's just stuck on a really bad team.

But to give a few names that I think is fair to call misses.

Oliver Perez, Zach Duke, David DeJesus, Homer Bailey

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:57 AM

View Postparrothead, on 24 December 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

View Postimnottheonly, on 24 December 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

View PostHalo Fan, on 24 December 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Ankiel lived up to the hype. He just crashed back down to and through the earth, losing all control and confidence. Then he rebuilt himself into a serviceable OF.

I wouldnt really call a half season of great performances living up to the hype. If you bought into him as a front line start and staff ace then he definately did not live up to the hype. If you had said when he was coming up that ok youll get 1 great season from this guy then he will be a train wreck and eventually a below average starting OF anyone would have called that a dissappointing outcome. He wasn't a complete disaster certainly but with what was expected from him yes he was a miss.
He was the No.1 Pitching prospect in baseball, dude had ridiculous numbers:
194K in 137 innings in 1999 between AA and AAA at 19 years old.  
Angels Wood and McPHerson came immediately to mind.

Couple of Andersons on the list:
Matt Anderson of the Tigers - guy often popped 100MPH on radar guy, everyone was waiting for him as next great closer.
Ryan Anderson - Mariners aka "the Space Needle"  people thought he was next Randy Johnson he was at or near the top prospects in game for a few years.

Some others I know I bought into:
Sean Burroughs - son of former major leaguer Jeff Burroughs, I think he was on a LLWS team, maybe the one from Jersey, got a ton of pub.
Adam Piatt - won Texas League triple crown for the A's system another A was Ben Grieve.

Mets had 3 pitching studs as starters, I know one was Jason Isringhausen who had nice career as closer, but two others one was Bill Pulsipher, I always forget the third guy.

Two guys who missed in two sports both as QB of my Dallas Cowboys: Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson.  Quincy Carter was also a baseball guy but not a great prospect who QBed the Cowboys.

paul wilson, the 3rd member (and praised as having the higest upside, as a former #1 overall pick) of "generation k"..........like many on this list, his career was stunted by injuries

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:56 AM

View PostFantasy Monk, on 26 December 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

I love those topics. Sleepers, Can't miss, Breakout players? Whatever and the people repling never think if the player fit to be listed in the topic. a few thoughts on the players bring up.

Scott Kazmir - Can he be called a miss, He did meet the hype at first few years but he did drop off early in the last few years but he is only 28 years old and there is a chance of a rebound. Not saying there will be but he is young enough there still a chance.

Greg Jeffries - Did this pot head really ever get that Hype?

Matt LaPorta - He is still very young and he still has 3 or maybe 4 season left before you can fairly call him a bust.

Joba Chamberlin - I wouldn't call him a miss but it's the yankees have not used him in a mather that his a value to a fantasy team.

Jordan Lyles - He's just stuck on a really bad team.

But to give a few names that I think is fair to call misses.

Oliver Perez, Zach Duke, David DeJesus, Homer Bailey

I don't think Bailey can be called a miss. He was pretty decent last year and should be solid again this year.

Edited by baltimore_boy, 26 December 2012 - 09:57 AM.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

View PostHalo Fan, on 22 December 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

I'm looking to compile a list of former prospects that were supposed to be amazing that fell far short of expectations in the majors. I'm particularly concerned with SP, but any position would be useful. Can you all help me out?

Right off hand I think of only a few:

Ben McDonald
Scott Kazmir

Greg Jeffries

Who else can we add to the list?
Kazmir dominated at a young age for a fee MLB seasons.... So I wouldn't say he's a "miss" but he did fall off quick.