It's another extremely disappointing hot stove season for the Buccos. The dumping of Hanrahan for a AAAA OF and a 23 year old SP who has very little success at AA. Looks like the 20+ years of ineptitude will continue in 2013.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:38 AM
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:57 AM
Would've been better if they could've got a SS to compete with Barmes...
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:59 AM
I'm actually OK with getting sands for handratty. The red sox paid less for andrew Bailey.
GOING 4 THREEPEAT- DYNASTY 6x6 OPS and HOLDS 12 team $300 cap
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
SP7 Edwin Jackson (Free Agent) SP8 Josh Becket
[size=4]SP 9 Scott Kazmir[/size]
CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
HLD1 Clippard $3 HLD2 Benoit $1 HLD3 Belisle
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
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CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:17 PM
Was Hanrahan making a lot of money? This trade looks like nothing more than a salary dump. I find it hard to believe that they couldn't get a solid prospect back for a closer that has been rock solid for the past 2 years.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:36 PM
cyberer, on 23 December 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:
I'm actually OK with getting sands for handratty. The red sox paid less for andrew Bailey.
This is a situation where I think fantasy and reality collide. Hanrahan was undrafted in our 13-team roto league two years ago when he was projected as Bucs closer, despite getting him at free agent price and having an all-star season, I couldnt deal the guy, nobody wanted him. Then fast forward to 2012 offseason, I didnt keep him and actually got him back for $1 less and did trade him, but for very little in return. Reality is I think that teams either already had situations they liked at closer OR didnt value Hanrahan enough to give up anything worth while.
The Bucs actually have a lot of potential upside guys who have emerged over the last year through trade or opportunity: Snider, Sands, Liriano and now Grilli.
Seems everybody's jogging or heavy into health s?&t, don't tell me that I otta get rolfed, cause I love Cajun martinis and playing afternoon golf-JB from we are the people are parents warned us about
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:38 PM
W74, on 23 December 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:
Would've been better if they could've got a SS to compete with Barmes...
Seems everybody's jogging or heavy into health s?&t, don't tell me that I otta get rolfed, cause I love Cajun martinis and playing afternoon golf-JB from we are the people are parents warned us about
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:39 PM
baltimore_boy, on 23 December 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:
Was Hanrahan making a lot of money? This trade looks like nothing more than a salary dump. I find it hard to believe that they couldn't get a solid prospect back for a closer that has been rock solid for the past 2 years.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:43 AM
Sure, in hindsight- but no one thought reddick was much of anything at the time. Present value wise I think sands is worth more than present value of what Boston got at the time
GOING 4 THREEPEAT- DYNASTY 6x6 OPS and HOLDS 12 team $300 cap
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
SP7 Edwin Jackson (Free Agent) SP8 Josh Becket
[size=4]SP 9 Scott Kazmir[/size]
CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
HLD1 Clippard $3 HLD2 Benoit $1 HLD3 Belisle
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
SP7 Edwin Jackson (Free Agent) SP8 Josh Becket
[size=4]SP 9 Scott Kazmir[/size]
CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
HLD1 Clippard $3 HLD2 Benoit $1 HLD3 Belisle
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:47 PM
I didn't like the Hanrahan trade, just looked like a pure salary dump. They already have three barely useful outfielders with Tabata, Snider, and Presley, why add a fourth to the mix? It would be nice if they can trade one of those guys if another team could use them, like the Mets.
I think they should have just kept Hanrahan since they made a few moves to improve the club this year and just see how they stand at the deadline. THey could have gotten much more from him then, he's a top closer and even at 7M he will still be cheaper than what Soriano is asking for on the market.
Even though they signed to guys to decent sized deals, they didn't really up payroll too much when you consider money is off the books and they traded Hanrahan,
The team looks set now for the most part but they still need to add a reliever or two and I wouldn't mind seeing a trade of an extra outfielder and maybe search for 5th-6th starter types on minor league deals. I would bring back Karstens if he takes 3M or so and sign Mike Gonzalez.
I think they should have just kept Hanrahan since they made a few moves to improve the club this year and just see how they stand at the deadline. THey could have gotten much more from him then, he's a top closer and even at 7M he will still be cheaper than what Soriano is asking for on the market.
Even though they signed to guys to decent sized deals, they didn't really up payroll too much when you consider money is off the books and they traded Hanrahan,
The team looks set now for the most part but they still need to add a reliever or two and I wouldn't mind seeing a trade of an extra outfielder and maybe search for 5th-6th starter types on minor league deals. I would bring back Karstens if he takes 3M or so and sign Mike Gonzalez.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 01:19 PM
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Red Sox acquired RHP Joel Hanrahan and INF Brock Holt from the Pirates for OF/1B Jerry Sands, RHPs Stolmy Pimentel and Mark Melancon and INF Ivan DeJesus, Jr.
Deal is now official.
I wonder if Melancon can reclaim the success he had with the Astros, if so then the deal isn't as bad as I first thought.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:22 PM
I don't think it's a bad deal for either side. Sands has had nice success at AAA and it hasn't translated to success at the MLB level to this point. There are plenty of guys that profile that way that have broken out and become contributors. At the very least I can see him being half of a nice platoon.
Add to that the idea that Melancon could be a nice piece if he can get back to what he was doing in the NL Central and the deal has some potential for Pittsburgh.
Add to that the idea that Melancon could be a nice piece if he can get back to what he was doing in the NL Central and the deal has some potential for Pittsburgh.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:58 PM
I could be wrong but sands had a .700+ ops in his big league career across 70 games. He wasn't great but this isn't Justin smoak we are talking about either. I like him a lot.
Melancon might make a nice sleeper in holds leagues in case grilli falters. Melancon was pretty good after those early hilarious meltdowns.
Melancon might make a nice sleeper in holds leagues in case grilli falters. Melancon was pretty good after those early hilarious meltdowns.
GOING 4 THREEPEAT- DYNASTY 6x6 OPS and HOLDS 12 team $300 cap
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
SP7 Edwin Jackson (Free Agent) SP8 Josh Becket
[size=4]SP 9 Scott Kazmir[/size]
CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
HLD1 Clippard $3 HLD2 Benoit $1 HLD3 Belisle
C Posey $15
1B Pujols $60
2B Howie Kendrick $5
3B Beltre $34
SS Hanley $38 Erick Aybar
OF1 Stanton $15 Bourn OF2 Nick Swisher OF3 Ryan Braun $59
UTIL1 Berkman $3 UTIL2 Andre Ethier
SP1 Price $15 SP2 Waino $12 SP3 Shields $11
SP4 Jered Weaver SP5 Cashner $4 SP6 Lynn $5
SP7 Edwin Jackson (Free Agent) SP8 Josh Becket
[size=4]SP 9 Scott Kazmir[/size]
CL1 Chris Perez $5 CL2 Romo $12
HLD1 Clippard $3 HLD2 Benoit $1 HLD3 Belisle
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:27 AM
Grilli is not a MLB closer. Shows what a joke of a franchise the Pirates are. Time toi just fold them up.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:16 AM
StuPitt, on 28 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:
Grilli is not a MLB closer. Shows what a joke of a franchise the Pirates are. Time toi just fold them up.
Heh, .5 game back of the division after taking 3 of 4 in Philadelphia.. now a huge couple games against the Cards and Brewers
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SS: Asdrubal
IF: Alvarez
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U: Hardy, Duda, Gattis
Bench: McKenry, Sizemore, Nelson, Izturis
SP: Gio, Zimmerman, McCarthy, Holland, Bedard, McAllister, M. Gonzalez, Villanueva, Kazmir, J Sanchez
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:21 AM
StuPitt, on 28 December 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:
Grilli is not a MLB closer. Shows what a joke of a franchise the Pirates are. Time toi just fold them up.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:00 PM
On MLB tonight last night, they were throwing around trade ideas for Giancarlo Stanton. They mentioned 5 teams: Rockies, Mariners, Pirates, Orioles ... and i think Diamondbacks.
Idea for the Pirates was Cole or Taillon (pick 1), Starling Marte, Henson (or some other positional prospect).
What do you guys think? They considered Stanton a transformational franchise bat. Add him in there behind McCutcheon.
Idea for the Pirates was Cole or Taillon (pick 1), Starling Marte, Henson (or some other positional prospect).
What do you guys think? They considered Stanton a transformational franchise bat. Add him in there behind McCutcheon.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:42 PM
BirdDog20, on 26 April 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:
On MLB tonight last night, they were throwing around trade ideas for Giancarlo Stanton. They mentioned 5 teams: Rockies, Mariners, Pirates, Orioles ... and i think Diamondbacks.
Idea for the Pirates was Cole or Taillon (pick 1), Starling Marte, Henson (or some other positional prospect).
What do you guys think? They considered Stanton a transformational franchise bat. Add him in there behind McCutcheon.
Idea for the Pirates was Cole or Taillon (pick 1), Starling Marte, Henson (or some other positional prospect).
What do you guys think? They considered Stanton a transformational franchise bat. Add him in there behind McCutcheon.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:53 PM
It was Dan Plesac's suggestion. If I'm the Pirates, I would consider it provided Stanton's shoulder proves healthy.
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1B: Frazier
2B: Lowrie
SS: Tulowitski
3B: Middlebrooks
CI: Lawrie
MI: Crawford
OF: J.Upton, McCutcheon, Rios, DomBrown, Dirks
U: C.Carter, L.Martin
P: Kershaw (2x), Corbin (2x), Cashner, Cahill, Cobb, Wood, A.Reed, Rodney, Perkins
BN: Franklin (m), M.Osuna, Dyson (dl), Cingrani (m), Gausman (m)
DL: Pineda, A.Hill
12 team keeper / auction / 5x5 (15 kept standard roto roster)
Week 8 lineup (5/20 - 5/26)
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C: Rosario Salty
1B: Frazier
2B: Lowrie
SS: Tulowitski
3B: Middlebrooks
CI: Lawrie
MI: Crawford
OF: J.Upton, McCutcheon, Rios, DomBrown, Dirks
U: C.Carter, L.Martin
P: Kershaw (2x), Corbin (2x), Cashner, Cahill, Cobb, Wood, A.Reed, Rodney, Perkins
BN: Franklin (m), M.Osuna, Dyson (dl), Cingrani (m), Gausman (m)
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:26 PM
BirdDog20, on 26 April 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:
On MLB tonight last night, they were throwing around trade ideas for Giancarlo Stanton. They mentioned 5 teams: Rockies, Mariners, Pirates, Orioles ... and i think Diamondbacks.
Idea for the Pirates was Cole or Taillon (pick 1), Starling Marte, Henson (or some other positional prospect).
What do you guys think? They considered Stanton a transformational franchise bat. Add him in there behind McCutcheon.
Idea for the Pirates was Cole or Taillon (pick 1), Starling Marte, Henson (or some other positional prospect).
What do you guys think? They considered Stanton a transformational franchise bat. Add him in there behind McCutcheon.
Pirates would never do that.. ive never seen the Pirates make a big move like that ever, and I dont expect them to trade their top prospects for a position they are deepest at
16 Team Dynasty with Milb rosters (15 start limit)
C: Posey
1B: Butler
2B: Kipnis
3B: Moustakas
SS: Asdrubal
IF: Alvarez
OF: McCutchen, Trout, Ethier, Young
U: Hardy, Duda, Gattis
Bench: McKenry, Sizemore, Nelson, Izturis
SP: Gio, Zimmerman, McCarthy, Holland, Bedard, McAllister, M. Gonzalez, Villanueva, Kazmir, J Sanchez
RP: Melancon, Pestano, Bailey, Frieri, Kelly, Rodney, Doolittle, Bell,, Rosenthal, Henderson, Cecil, Lyon, Bastardo
DL: Hutchison, Karstens, Affeldt
Notable prospects (35 man rosters):
Bundy, Mike Montgomery, Straily, Dahl, Hembree, Casey Kelly, Sims, DJ Davis, Heredia
C: Posey
1B: Butler
2B: Kipnis
3B: Moustakas
SS: Asdrubal
IF: Alvarez
OF: McCutchen, Trout, Ethier, Young
U: Hardy, Duda, Gattis
Bench: McKenry, Sizemore, Nelson, Izturis
SP: Gio, Zimmerman, McCarthy, Holland, Bedard, McAllister, M. Gonzalez, Villanueva, Kazmir, J Sanchez
RP: Melancon, Pestano, Bailey, Frieri, Kelly, Rodney, Doolittle, Bell,, Rosenthal, Henderson, Cecil, Lyon, Bastardo
DL: Hutchison, Karstens, Affeldt
Notable prospects (35 man rosters):
Bundy, Mike Montgomery, Straily, Dahl, Hembree, Casey Kelly, Sims, DJ Davis, Heredia
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