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[Suikoden]

$56 million 4 years, ouch....I would say $10 million max...but thoughts>?

[TheJRod2006]

As a Yankees fan, I have a few.....



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[Suikoden]

In all seriousness, if this were 5 years ago, NY would have given the same contract at the same age...

He's a consistent 25HR hitter, can switch hit, and last year only one of his home runs was under 350.....however...he BLOWS in the playoffs....but since Cleveland is not expected to make the playoffs for the next 20 years, can we really say it's a bad deal for Cleveland to bring back a hometown boy?

[LyondellBasell]

what a country. what a game.

[klove42]

Really a crazy offseason for average players getting these great contracts, but for his fantasy value next year, I don't think he will be great. I think not playing in Yankee stadium for a contender will hurt him

[cymbaline]

Yes, overpayment considering his age.  But this contract doesn't seem *that* bad.

Swisher has been a plus OBP guy for years, consistent power hitter, is durable, wasn't a product of Yankee stadium and can hit LHP.  These are all things that the Tribe could use.  And he still fits into the Indians philosophy that all lineup spots must be able to hit left-handed!  They loved to have 9 LH bats every game and then the opposing team would simply counter mid-game with a LH reliever, lol.  OK, now that Stubbs and Reynolds are around that gimmick may actually go away.  

CLE seems to have a thing for guys that work the count, hit the occasional HR and whiff/walk a ton.  Ex-Tribe Hafner, Choo, or current guys Santana, Reynolds, Stubbs etc.  Swisher fits right into that framework.

Edited by cymbaline, 24 December 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[jsp2014]

He's an above average player and very consistent year-to-year. ~4 WAR every year. Steady as she goes. Great signing for them

Edited by jsp2014, 24 December 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[TheJRod2006]

He's the classic 'feasts on bad pitching' hitter who never does anything in the big spot. I'd rather have the sandwich pick than potentially give him 70 million dollars.

[parrothead]

TheJRod2006, on 24 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

He's the classic 'feasts on bad pitching' hitter who never does anything in the big spot. I'd rather have the sandwich pick than potentially give him 70 million dollars.

Yep which is why he is so bad in the playoffs, the guys who he does damage off of arent pitching in the playoffs.  Backside rotation guys, long relievers on bad teams, meaningless spots...all spots where these types of guys excel.

That said, I like what Cleveland is doing.  They had very little pop in their line up and although both of these guys are flawed, they have added two guys with pop in Reynolds and Swisher.  I also like the upside of Stubbs and Bauer.

Only issue is that a lot of their power guys: Swisher, Reynolds and Santana along with Stubbs could be all low average guys.

They also picked up Bauer, a potential ace.  Im not in love with these guys, but I appreciate the fact they are trying to do something and I think across the board have improved.

[cymbaline]

TheJRod2006, on 24 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

He's the classic 'feasts on bad pitching' hitter who never does anything in the big spot. I'd rather have the sandwich pick than potentially give him 70 million dollars.

Hmm, if this is true then Swisher might really thrive in CLE, at least for roto.  Lots of meaningless games and facing tons of terrible pitching in that division.

Edited by cymbaline, 24 December 2012 - 04:08 PM.

[jsp2014]

TheJRod2006, on 24 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

He's the classic 'feasts on bad pitching' hitter who never does anything in the big spot. I'd rather have the sandwich pick than potentially give him 70 million dollars.

Teams don't give up a pick anymore I don't think. And they didn't give him 70

Do you have facts to back up that assertion? Just curious.

[TheJRod2006]

jsp2014, on 24 December 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

TheJRod2006, on 24 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

He's the classic 'feasts on bad pitching' hitter who never does anything in the big spot. I'd rather have the sandwich pick than potentially give him 70 million dollars.

Teams don't give up a pick anymore I don't think. And they didn't give him 70

Do you have facts to back up that assertion? Just curious.

http://espn.go.com/m...ear-deal-source

A source told ESPN that Swisher agreed to a four-year, $56 million contract that also includes a $14 million option for a fifth season that will "easily vest, making the potential total value of the contract $70 million.

The Indians will lose their second-round pick in next year's amateur draft as compensation for signing Swisher, and the Yankees will get an extra selection following the first round.

[Thespis721]

I like Swisher... but man.. paying him $17 mil a year is outrageous.  Swisher gets hurt but I think he'll be able to pull together the cumulative ABs to get that extra $14.

That said, I think this actually COULD help his AVG, but take a hit in his power.

[Theoneupper]

Cant believe we let go of Choo, because we "didnt have the money", just to get this bum. Granted i liked the trade that we got for Choo, but damn i dont like this signing.

[iAugust]

Theoneupper, on 24 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Cant believe we let go of Choo, because we "didnt have the money", just to get this bum. Granted i liked the trade that we got for Choo, but damn i dont like this signing.

As a diehard Indians fan, Swisher is an upgrade from Choo...

to all the people saying Swisher is "average":

wOBA/wRC+ over last 3 seasons

Swisher (.367/129)
Zimmerman (.364/128)
Wright (.363/130)
Granderson (.362/126)
Choo (.362/131)
Teixeira (.360/123)
Gordon (.359/125)
J. Upton (.359/120)
Bruce (.355/120)

WAR amongst OF over the last 2 seasons

Swisher (7.7)
BJ Upton (7.5)
Adam Jones (7.5)
Corey Hart (7.0)
Hunter Pence (6.5)
Andre Ethier (6.3)

[jsp2014]

TheJRod2006, on 24 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

jsp2014, on 24 December 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

TheJRod2006, on 24 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

He's the classic 'feasts on bad pitching' hitter who never does anything in the big spot. I'd rather have the sandwich pick than potentially give him 70 million dollars.

Teams don't give up a pick anymore I don't think. And they didn't give him 70

Do you have facts to back up that assertion? Just curious.

http://espn.go.com/m...ear-deal-source

A source told ESPN that Swisher agreed to a four-year, $56 million contract that also includes a $14 million option for a fifth season that will "easily vest, making the potential total value of the contract $70 million.

The Indians will lose their second-round pick in next year's amateur draft as compensation for signing Swisher, and the Yankees will get an extra selection following the first round.

0 for 2 for me

I still think it's a good signing. He basically got the same deal as Edwin Jackson. Players who are solid at everything tend to get underrated.

[FouLLine]

Suikoden, on 24 December 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

$56 million 4 years, ouch....I would say $10 million max...but thoughts>?

Over paid for sure.  But hey who in The MLB isn't over paid?  Even at league min you're getting $400K to play the greatest game ever.

[PRoSPx]

FouLLine, on 25 December 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Suikoden, on 24 December 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

$56 million 4 years, ouch....I would say $10 million max...but thoughts>?

Over paid for sure.  But hey who in The MLB isn't over paid?  Even at league min you're getting $400K to play the greatest game ever.

Agreed.

[calzonesays]

After watching so many Swisher ABs that ended in him looking foolish on a changeup, other teams and advanced scouts have to know this, right?

[PRoSPx]

calzonesays, on 02 January 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

After watching so many Swisher ABs that ended in him looking foolish on a changeup, other teams and advanced scouts have to know this, right?

I'd have to think the word on Swisher has been out for awhile now....