Clayton Kershaw 2013 OutlookBest pitcher in baseball?
#1
Posted 25 December 2012 - 04:14 PM
Kershaw out did Verlander last year in ERA, WHIP, and K/9. But Verlander had more Wins, IPs, and overall Ks.
Either way both of these guys are looking to be fringe first rounders who will probably be taken in the mid to early second round. I'm all about sleeping on pitchers but guys with this much talent I couldn't argue with people using an early 2nd round pick on them.
Where will you be drafting Kershaw?
#2
Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:16 AM
After two years of Lincecum-like numbers and nothing that says he's going to let up- plus a better offense if anything- I would expect him to push $45+, making him too espensive for me as a SP to draft...
He was fun to own as a $20-$25 player- but now that he's anywhere from $45-$50 (literally) he is just not worth price for the risk of one elbow or shoulder injury knocking him out for the year or an extended period of time.
Not to go off-topic, but when I think about a guy like Kershaw who is just going to be worth so much money (kind of like Strasburg, who will be getting a ton as well now that there are no caps whatsoever on him and all of that) I question how much a guy like R.A. Dickey will get in auctions when Kershaw should easily see $40, ditto to Strasburg. Because you could probably argue that Dickey is as likely (if not more so) to stay healthy and he'll still post gaudy K numbers. But will he rack up wins and keep his ERA/WHIP as pristine as it was now that he's in the East?
(Ergo, I think Dickey winds up a bargain because people will undervalue him, pitching a lot of his games in the AL East now with its reputation.)
Remember Adam Wainwright.... that's why I cannot and will not go the distance on a guy like Kershaw.
But I do think he is the best pitcher in the NL right now. I just don't want to risk one injury wrecking my year or wasting a ton of money. It's more manageable when it's a position player, believe it or not. Losing a top pitcher you bid major money on is a huge blow to anyone's chances....
Edited by Nick Mitchell, 26 December 2012 - 03:16 AM.
14-team/25-man (mixed) roster roto-auction redraft league [3rd Season, Defending Champ] (standard 5x5 scoring w/ OBP in place of AVG)
C Willin Rosario, 1B Brandon Belt, 2B Kelly Johnson, 3B Miguel Cabrera, SS Starlin Castro, IF Elvis Andrus, OF (4 starting OF slots, not position-specific) OF Gerardo Parra, OF Denard Span, OF Domonic Brown, OF Raul Ibanez, UTL Eric Chavez
BN: C,1B,3B Jordan Pacheo, 1B James Loney, 3B Juan Franncisco, OF Oswalda Arcia, OF Wil Myers [N/A]
P (8- any kind) SP Felix Hernandez, SP Hisashi Iwakuma, SP Shelby Miller, SP Mike Minor, R.A. Dickey, SP Johnny Cueto, MR Bobby Parnell, MR Jim Henderson
BN: SP Tim Lincecum
DL: (2 allotted slots at once): MR Ryan Madson
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Team #2:
14-team/28-man (mixed) roster roto-snake redraft league [Inaugural Season] (7x7 scoring <R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, OBP, & SLG / W, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, & QS> and var. position-specific starting slots)
C Willin Rosario, 1B Adam Dunn, 2B Jason Kipnis, 3B Ryan Zimmerman, SS Jean Segura, CI Todd Frazier, MI Everth Cabrera, LF Gerardo Parra, CF Andrew McCutchen, RF Lucas Duda, OF Adam Jones, UTL Lorenzo Cain
BN: C,3B,1B Jordan Pacheo, 1B Lyle Overbay, RF Marcell Ozuna, LF,CF,RF Michael Saunders LF,CF,RF Justin Ruggiano
SP (2): Felix Hernandez (SP), Jose Fernandez (SP); RP (3): Joe Nathan (RP), Fernando Rodney (RP), Ernesto Frieri (RP); P (4- any kind) P Lance Lynn (SP,RP), P Brandon League (RP), P Kevin Gregg (RP), P Cory Gearrin (RP)
BN: Mike Minor (SP), Hisashi Iwakuma (SP,RP)
DL: (3 allotted slots at once) SP Brandon Beachy, CF Cameron Maybin
#3
Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:39 AM
Nick Mitchell, on 26 December 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:
I know Wainwright had/has an inverted-W, which screams TJ, but Kershaw doesn't appear to have an inverted-W or another serious flaw in his mechanics that could cause injury.
#4
Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:44 PM
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#5
Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:44 PM
luvBaseball123, on 15 February 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:
Think the Dodgers lineup is good enough this year to make Kershaw the best? click on the link and tell me what you think.
#6
Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:19 AM
Bank on it: he's got the pitches, he's got the youth, and he's got the offense behind him.
ARMS: SP Kershaw, Bailey, Bills, Leake, Wheeler (AAA), RP League, Jansen, Hernandez, Brothers
BATS: C Castillo, 1B Gaby, Adams, 2B Walker, 3B Zimm, Cruz, SS Desmond, OF CarGo, Ethier, Jay, Cowgill
AL Only 3-Keeper $ League (2012 Champion):
ARMS: SP Verlander, Moore, Vargas, Happ, Peacock, RP Rivera, Robertson, Peralta, Uehara
BATS: C Jaso, 1B Morneau, Smoak, 2B Beckham, Roberts, 3B Miggy, Kepp, SS Peralta, OF Trout, Jackson, Viciedo,
PPR 3-Keeper $ League: Foster, Cam, J.J.
#7
Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:25 AM
lavaman, on 16 February 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:
Bank on it: he's got the pitches, he's got the youth, and he's got the offense behind him.
He's #1 in my book
Verlander close behind
#8
Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:13 AM
luvBaseball123, on 15 February 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:
I really just want to know what people think about Kershaw and Verlander, my draft is coming up soon.
Sorry, it wasn't intended to be a personal attack, nor a knock on people posting links. I am just always cautious of new members posting links...never know what you're going to find on the other end. There have been many spammers on these forums in the past. The fact that you are actually replying to what I posted changes my perspective. Again, sorry for the skepticism. Welcome to the forums!
As a Kershaw owner in an NL-only dynasty, I may be a bit biased, but I think he's the #1 pitcher.
Edited by Halo Fan, 16 February 2013 - 01:16 AM.
"...the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats." ~ Bill Veeck
"The last time Willie Mays dropped a pop fly he had a rattle in one hand and a bonnet on his head." ~ Jim Murray
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." ~ Rickey Henderson
"The difference between the old ballplayer and the new ballplayer is the jersey. The old ballplayer cared about the name on the front. The new ballplayer cares about the name on the back." ~ Steve Garvey
"If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." ~ George Brett
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby
"Winning depends on where you put your priorities. It's usually best to put them over the fence." ~ Jason Giambi
#9
Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:30 AM
#10
Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:34 AM
#11
Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:13 AM
Red Sox Nation, on 16 February 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:
Also +1 for Kate Upton
#13
Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:58 AM
luvBaseball123, on 15 February 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:
Think the Dodgers lineup is good enough this year to make Kershaw the best? click on the link and tell me what you think.
Where exactly you take him in a snake draft or how much you buy him from in an auction is always up for debate, but if we were drafting like my daughters softball league where there is a seperate pitchers draft, I think he would be consensus no.1.
I guess the two risks:
1. The Hip from last year, obviously like hitters, hip rotation is a big part of the pitching process, if it recurs?
2. Dodger blow up and getting caught up in that. If this blending together of stars just blows up to a toxic situation, mentally he could get caught up in that mess and have a "down" year and disappoint.
#14
Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:55 PM
~ Jose Fernandez
#15
Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:10 PM
Re: hip issue. He missed 1 start last year due to it, but came back and made 3 after the injury:
21 IP, 23/10 K/BB (including one 5 BB game his first game after injury, which seems like an aberration), 2 ER.
Also stated in early November:
During an interview with Jim Duquette on MLB network radio, Clayton Kershaw said that his hip is fine and that he's fully healthy heading into the offseason.
Kershaw also mentioned that he's willing to listen to contract extension proposals, but hasn't yet had any conversations with the Dodgers about it. He added that his preference is to not go through arbitration, but would if he had to.
I think we have to assume that the 4+ months he's had off since October have allowed him to fully heal. I suppose there's always the chance of re-aggravation, but he's showed the ability to still pitch through it at an elite level. I wouldn't hesitate to take him around pick 15 or so, or to make him the highest paid pitcher in an auction.
#16
Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:42 PM
lavaman, on 16 February 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:
Bank on it: he's got the pitches, he's got the youth, and he's got the offense behind him.
We will see, my bet is on Strasburg. I like Price too, but would probably take Kershaw over him when considering division and team. Then again, Price held his own last year and my thinking is he's only going to get better.
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#17
Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:47 PM
Are the hip issues a thing of the past now? I'm not concerned right now, but it is weird for a pitcher so young to have hip problems.
#18
Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:13 PM
C- M. Montero
1B- P. Konerko
2B- J. Altuve
3B- D. Freese
SS- B. Zobrist
OF- A. Jackson
OF- C. Beltran
OF- A. Pagan
DH- G. Jones
BN- A. Ramirez, C. Ross, D. Stubbs, M. Izturis, A. Rodriguez (DL)
SP- S. Strasburg
SP- D. Price
SP- A. Sanchez
SP- A. Ogando
SP- A. Griffin
CL- G. Perkins
BN- J. Fernandez, J. Grimm, D. Phelps, J. Blanton, Z. Greinke (DL), B. Beachy (DL), T. Lilly (DL), B. Myers (DL), N. Eovaldi (DL)
#19
Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:33 AM
R, H, HR, RBI, SB, BB, AVG, OPS, 1200IP limit; W, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP, K/BB, QS
C-McCann/Gattis
1B-Freeman
2B-Uggla
3B-ZReynolds
SS-Andrus
LF-Harper
CF-Kemp
RF-Bruce
OF-Heyward
Util-Rutledge/Crisp/Belt
SP- Kershaw, Cain,Ryu (Bathtub Jin), Tillman,
RP- Parnell, Perkins, Herrerra, Gregerson, Henderson, Reynolds, Adams
DL- Eaton and Putz
Trades (Gave/Got): Darvish, Chapman, Altuve - Kemp, Cain, Uggla, McCann
Carlos Gomez, Lohse, Voggelsong, Boggs - Heyward, Coco Crisp (days before Gomez exploded..) Seager, Ozuna - Rutledge, Parnell (lost Putz, had to get another closer)
#20
Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:22 AM
Suikoden, on 17 February 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:
Yes. First round bats NEVER disappoint
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