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[Code of Hammurabi]

Ok. So I am really impressed with this team . They are playing at a high level and mauling the Jazz on the road. The future looks bright in the Bay...

[Code of Hammurabi]

They got better trading that black hole Monta Ellis EVEN THOUGH BOGUT HAS BARELY PLAYED A GAME...

Edited by Code of Hammurabi, 26 December 2012 - 11:06 PM.

[NyMetsfan5]

Doing really well right now and marc Jackson has been a god send for them as well. I think their success is tied to if Curry can stay healthy and how effective Bogut is when he comes back, Thats a pretty deadly combo with Lee and bogut in the pain especially because Lee can stretch the defense out for sure. Im interested to see how far they go because this year they are defiantly the real deal

[nickalero99]

Code of Hammurabi, on 26 December 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

They got better trading that black hole Monta Ellis EVEN THOUGH BOGUT HAS BARELY PLAYED A GAME...

Thompson complements Curry.  Ellis competed with Curry.  To me that's the big difference.

[Thats Ridiculous]

The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight.  Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.
that's a beautiful black hole.

[Tarheels_2433]

"Mama there goes that team!"

Does Mark Jackson get credit here?  I know there were (are?) a lot of doubters about him as a coach.

[Thats Ridiculous]

the big difference is that Steph Curry is actually healthy this year.
Plus the addition of Jarret Jack.
And Mark Jackson's coaching strategies.

Winning solves everything.

[nickalero99]

Tarheels_2433, on 26 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

"Mama there goes that team!"

Does Mark Jackson get credit here?  I know there were (are?) a lot of doubter about him as a coach.

Coming in I think there was a lot of doubt with him going away from the hyper-paced offense that Nelson had successfully installed.  They aren't quite scoring like they were, but they also aren't being asked defensively to stop the opposition nearly as much and it has paid off.  Not sure I'd say that he's a great coach, but what he's doing gives them a chance to have sustainable success.

[fantasick]

Bring back biedrins! He's been forgotten now with bogut as the focus on C...

Edited by fantasick, 26 December 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[Chubbles]

Having Landry and Jack with that second unit is a nice luxury to have

[nickalero99]

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight.  Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.
that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis.  Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare.  He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it.  Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis.  You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats.  Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get?  Harden is a better player.  The usage of possessions really does matter.  What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something.  For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

[Thats Ridiculous]

nickalero99, on 26 December 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight.  Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.
that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis.  Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare.  He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it.  Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis.  You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats.  Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get?  Harden is a better player.  The usage of possessions really does matter.  What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something.  For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

James Harden is given the greenlight to have the ball in his hands every possession.  So, obviously he's gonna get more opportunities to produce than Monta Ellis does, on a team with Brandon Jennings handling the ball most of the time.

[nickalero99]

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

nickalero99, on 26 December 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight.  Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.
that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis.  Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare.  He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it.  Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis.  You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats.  Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get?  Harden is a better player.  The usage of possessions really does matter.  What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something.  For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

James Harden is given the greenlight to have the ball in his hands every possession.  So, obviously he's gonna get more opportunities to produce than Monta Ellis does, on a team with Brandon Jennings handling the ball most of the time.

Monta Ellis is shooting the ball more times a game than James Harden.

[Thats Ridiculous]

nickalero99, on 26 December 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

nickalero99, on 26 December 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

The Jazz are not very good this year, so it's not a surprise the Warriors are beating them.

In other news, the Bucks beat the Nets tonight.  Monta Ellis... 3 treys, 20 pts, 6 rebs, 7 asts, 6 Stls.
that's a beautiful black hole.

Excellent game tonight for Ellis.  Thing is him shooting 50% is not standard fare.  He's shooting under 40% on 18 shots a game. That's a lot of possessions that end with one guy either shooting the ball or losing it.  Problem with that type of insane usage is that other guys have a tough time producing.

I recall being in a debate last year with you as far as who was better between Harden and Ellis.  You said clearly Ellis was better because of the counting stats.  Increase Harden's usage to a similar level as Ellis and what do you get?  Harden is a better player.  The usage of possessions really does matter.  What a player does with them either allows or prevents other guys on the team from doing something.  For a team with a star PG, Thompson is a much better fit than Curry.

James Harden is given the greenlight to have the ball in his hands every possession.  So, obviously he's gonna get more opportunities to produce than Monta Ellis does, on a team with Brandon Jennings handling the ball most of the time.

Monta Ellis is shooting the ball more times a game than James Harden.

James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

[Wrath Of Curry]

Curry is a freakin beast, imo if he keeps this up and the Warriors make playoffs he should be in serious consideration for MVP.

[ballsohard]

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

Wouldn't that just bolster nickalero99's argument?

[ShadyS]

They will impress me more if they post a better record against top-tier teams. Oh, and underrated Curry for MVP

Edited by ShadyS, 26 December 2012 - 11:45 PM.

[Code of Hammurabi]

Yup because hes more efficient. Understand?

Thats Ridiculous, on 26 December 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

James Harden has taken twice as many freethrow attempts than Monta Ellis.

[tremixt]

fantasick, on 26 December 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Bring back biedrins! He's been forgotten now with bogut as the focus on C...

No. They've tried to bring him back. Biedrins checked out a few years ago.

[nickalero99]

I apologize to Code for side-tracking the thread, but I do see this conversation as pertinent.

Harden and Ellis are both great free throw shooters.  We want these guys shooting them.  It's a positive result to a possession if either of these guys get to the stripe (more so with Harden).  

Take away free throws:

Monta Ellis;  15 points on 18 shots
James Harden: 17 points on 17 shots.

Without one of the largest boons to his efficiency, Harden is still significantly better.  I'd much prefer the guy who scores two more points on one less shot.  It's not that simple when you bring in their FT shooting and volume (going to the line is a successful possession), but Harden>Ellis no matter how you slice it.  Much like in Golden State's scenario, Thompson>Ellis.

None of this is to say Ellis doesn't have value.  He does.  He's just much more valuable to a team devoid of replacement level scorers than a team like Golden State.