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[rraayy3]

woulda been nice if they added warmack/eifert and then got geno in round 2 ... big boost to the run game/pass game.

this offense is going to be atrocious unless geno is another rg3.

[DocJ]

Even an RG1.5 would be better than Sanchez at this point.

[jsp2014]

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

woulda been nice if they added warmack/eifert and then got geno in round 2 ... big boost to the run game/pass game.

this offense is going to be atrocious unless geno is another rg3.

and if they took Warmack and Eifert then the defense would be atrocious. bad teams can't solve all their problems at once. my impression is they just took the guys they felt were the best available at the time. under no circumstance were they going to come out of the draft looking like a playoff team.

Edited by jsp2014, 29 April 2013 - 02:04 PM.

[rraayy3]

 jsp2014, on 29 April 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

woulda been nice if they added warmack/eifert and then got geno in round 2 ... big boost to the run game/pass game.

this offense is going to be atrocious unless geno is another rg3.

and if they took Warmack and Eifert then the defense would be atrocious. bad teams can't solve all their problems at once. my impression is they just took the guys they felt were the best available at the time. under no circumstance were they going to come out of the draft looking like a playoff team.

no it wouldn't, but ok.
maybe the offense can improve to "atrocious' this year.

[jsp2014]

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

 jsp2014, on 29 April 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

woulda been nice if they added warmack/eifert and then got geno in round 2 ... big boost to the run game/pass game.

this offense is going to be atrocious unless geno is another rg3.

and if they took Warmack and Eifert then the defense would be atrocious. bad teams can't solve all their problems at once. my impression is they just took the guys they felt were the best available at the time. under no circumstance were they going to come out of the draft looking like a playoff team.

no it wouldn't, but ok.
maybe the offense can improve to "atrocious' this year.

go look at what their starting defense would be had they not taken Milliner and Richardson.

the offense will be terrible. not denying that. but it's not as if they had the 2009 Jets defense and Milliner and Richardson were luxury picks. imo for bad teams especially, you just take the best player available and I think that's at least what they did in their own minds. it's not as if filling needs at TE, DE, OG put them over the top.

Edited by jsp2014, 29 April 2013 - 06:19 PM.

[bmoss12]

 jsp2014, on 29 April 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

woulda been nice if they added warmack/eifert and then got geno in round 2 ... big boost to the run game/pass game.

this offense is going to be atrocious unless geno is another rg3.

and if they took Warmack and Eifert then the defense would be atrocious. bad teams can't solve all their problems at once. my impression is they just took the guys they felt were the best available at the time. under no circumstance were they going to come out of the draft looking like a playoff team.

Now that they have money, they couldve signed alot of veteran talent on defense: DT: Corey Williams, SS: Woodson, MLB: Urlacher, DE: Dwight Freeney

[rraayy3]

"if they took warmack and eifert their defense would be atrocious"

i'd love to know how replacing the best corner in football with a rookie [at a spot you also have cromartie - 1 of the few bright spots on this dumpster fire of a roster] and adding to the DL that already has 2 promising young players in wilkerson/coples ... and garay ... is a major upgrade to the defense.

they downgraded CB [any rookie they drafted was a downgrade, but it was avery deep class they could've addressed later in the draft] and added a DL ... not bad players ... but warmack/eifert are 2 instant starters that should drastically improve both the run and pass game.

the jets downgraded at corner, added another body to an area they are relatively strong at [at least potentially] ... and now have a mediocre OL blocking for a rookie QB with no one to throw to.

the defense may have been atrocious ... the offense will be lucky if it is atrocious.

Edited by rraayy3, 29 April 2013 - 10:50 PM.

[jsp2014]

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

"if they took warmack and eifert their defense would be atrocious"

i'd love to know how replacing the best corner in football with a rookie [at a spot you also have cromartie - 1 of the few bright spots on this dumpster fire of a roster] and adding to the DL that already has 2 promising young players in wilkerson/coples ... and garay ... is a major upgrade to the defense.

they downgraded CB [any rookie they drafted was a downgrade, but it was avery deep class they could've addressed later in the draft] and added a DL ... not bad players ... but warmack/eifert are 2 instant starters that should drastically improve both the run and pass game.

the jets downgraded at corner, added another body to an area they are relatively strong at [at least potentially] ... and now have a mediocre OL blocking for a rookie QB with no one to throw to.

the defense may have been atrocious ... the offense will be lucky if it is atrocious.

they didn't trade Revis to upgrade the roster, so not sure why you're comparing the team to the one they had before dealing him. people are getting too hung up on that. and Milliner is not a Revis replacement. he is the player they decided to take with the pick. Revis was already gone. CB is a premium position and Cromartie might walk.

Milliner is obv not replacing Cro. he is pushing Wilson back where he belongs--nickel back. you keep pointing to how bad the offense is going to be, and i agree. but again, when you have a bad team you can't upgrade at every position. you have to take your pick. my impression is that they felt they took the best available player at every pick and that is how you have to do it if your team is hopeless at the current moment. collect talent. the rest will sort itself out. drafting for need or lack of need is a good way to miss value. whether or not those guys prove to be the best picks at that moment remains to be seen. you're obv entitled to your opinion of the players themselves and you probably know better than I do (but probably not better than a team with a host NFL scouts, access to the players themselves, countless millions of dollars, and the best technology). I just don't believe in drafting for need when your team is 2+ years away from being relevant again. that's all I'm saying: strategically, I think they played this one well. we'll find out in a few years if they succeeded in the scouting aspect.

[jsp2014]

 bmoss12, on 29 April 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

 jsp2014, on 29 April 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

 rraayy3, on 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

woulda been nice if they added warmack/eifert and then got geno in round 2 ... big boost to the run game/pass game.

this offense is going to be atrocious unless geno is another rg3.

and if they took Warmack and Eifert then the defense would be atrocious. bad teams can't solve all their problems at once. my impression is they just took the guys they felt were the best available at the time. under no circumstance were they going to come out of the draft looking like a playoff team.

Now that they have money, they couldve signed alot of veteran talent on defense: DT: Corey Williams, SS: Woodson, MLB: Urlacher, DE: Dwight Freeney

free agency is not the way to rebuild. especially not a bunch of 30-somethings who will probably be overpaid.

I'm patient. 8-8 and 9-7 does nothing for me. do it the right way, take your time, get some high picks the next year or two, draft well, and build a good young core. we knew for years that they sold out the future for a chance at the superbowl. no one thought it would be quite THIS bad but I wasn't expecting a decade of dominance.

maybe I'm just used to it, being a Mets fan also. the Mets and the Jets are pretty much in the same situation right now. the Mets are a little further along the process, but NFL is generally easier to rebuild quickly.

Edited by jsp2014, 29 April 2013 - 11:20 PM.

[rraayy3]

adding those vets will do nothing but kick the can a little further down the road ... you sign players like that when you're 1 or 2 players away from competing in the SB.

this roster needs a 2-3 year plan to rebuild ... first step is getting the sanchez contract off the books and taking the huge hit, but this team is at least 2 years from being relevant again.

they were also dumb enough to broadcast to the world that they wanted tavon austin right before the draft ... shocker the rams traded right in front of them to get him.

Edited by rraayy3, 29 April 2013 - 11:26 PM.

[The King Maker]

As others have said, this isn't a team that's going to start being competitive this year because it just has too many holes and too much dead money.

But after next year, I believe they can get Holmes, Sanchez, and Revis' cap hit off the books to free up a good amount of money.  They could possibly sign someone like Jimmy Graham if they are desperate for a TE next year with the money freed up.  The entire goal for this year is to try and develop the younger kids and see if you can find a couple of gems that were under-utilized in Ivory, Barnes, and Goodson.

On Revis, you can't just look at it as a straight Revis for Richardson trade off, because of the money.  The money could make it a Revis for Richardson plus say Graham (hypothetically) trade.  I think the early RW blurbs were saying the Jets would be lucky to get a second round pick because of the injury and money demands.  Next year, they should also get about 4-5 comensation picks from all the FAs that left this year, which should give them about 11 or so picks to play with, in what should be a better draft.

I think they should just keep Sanchez.  You don't really save much by cutting him.  Who cares how he feels or what the media thinks needs to happen?  Have a three way competition between him, Geno, and Garrard.  Whoever wins plays, the other two as backups.  Now that Tebow is out, half the media should be gone.

The ONLY way the Jets are competitive this year is if Geno Smith is a pure stud, but the chances aren't high.  Otherwise, consider everything they do as a 2-3 year move, which does make for some nice fantasy potential sleepers.  Ivory-Goodson can both be sleepers, because of injury histories for both of them.  Hill would be a much better sleeper if Sanchez isn't starting IMO.  Kerley should be a sleeper because he fits in well with a WCO.  I'm guessing these guys have minimal value right now, but could ammount to something decent.

[DocJ]

Yeeeaaaah this is sure starting out well
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The New York Daily News reports No. 38 pick Geno Smith has fired his agents over "displeasure (with) his draft position."
Welcome to the big leagues, Geno. Per reporter Manish Mehta, Smith thought he "would and should be the No. 1 overall pick," but was given "no assurance of his draft position." Smith shooting the messenger over his draft position isn't a promising indication of how he'll handle the New York spotlight, but players changing agents is hardly a rarity. It won't be a story going forward. Apr 30 - 1:17 PM

Source: New York Daily News

[rraayy3]

they'll be trading for Nassib in 2 years.

[jsp2014]

 DocJ, on 30 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Yeeeaaaah this is sure starting out well
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The New York Daily News reports No. 38 pick Geno Smith has fired his agents over "displeasure (with) his draft position."
Welcome to the big leagues, Geno. Per reporter Manish Mehta, Smith thought he "would and should be the No. 1 overall pick," but was given "no assurance of his draft position." Smith shooting the messenger over his draft position isn't a promising indication of how he'll handle the New York spotlight, but players changing agents is hardly a rarity. It won't be a story going forward. Apr 30 - 1:17 PM

Source: New York Daily News

More AARod, less Clausen please