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H2H Points vs. H2H Each Cat?


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#1 BostonBob

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

Its my first year doing fantasy hockey, just looking to hear peoples opinions on which type of scoring they prefer.

Thanks!
14 Person H2H Category

C: M. Montero
1B: Morse, Lind
2B: Kinsler
SS: Rollins, Aybar
3B: Plouffe, Middlebrooks, Lowrie
LF: Quentin
CF: Kemp, Crisp
RF: Stanton*, Cruz

SP: Haren*, Lester, Dempster, Peavy, Scherzer, A. Sanchez, Hughes
RP: Nathan, Rodney, Betancourt, Casilla

#2 gdon

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

I prefer each Category.  personally.

#3 nycldn

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:58 AM

Almost anyone who takes the game seriously will answer Categories. Points are typically for very casual attention and not wanting to be restricted on add/drops.

I'll add one caveat here- when playing a custom league, I prefer replacing Assists with Points. If you play with Goals and Assists, then Assists carry equal weight to Goals, which is absurd. If you play with Goals and Points, then Goals are worth more and you can never find yourself in the situation of hoping your player gets an Assist instead of the Goal.
BASKETBALL: Yahoo Public League: Roto, 12 Team, 9 cat
PG Steve Nash, Jameer Nelson; SG James Harden, Jarrett Jack, Kyle Korver
SF Metta World Peace, Chandler Parsons; PF Serge Ibaka, Amir Johnson
CC Marcin Gortat, Larry Sanders, Tristan Thompson, Tiago Splitter

HOCKEY: Yahoo Public League: Roto, 12 Team, 10 cat (6 skate, 4 goal)
TEAM A: (9th pick, missed first half of draft, computer picked)
CC Tavares, Couture, Backes
LW Lucic, DBrown; RW JNeal, Cole, Brunner
D JJohnson, Timonen, Wideman, White
G Holtby, Dubnyk, Giguere, Theodore

TEAM B: (3rd pick, fyi Lundqvist and Quick went 1-2)
CC Malkin, Jokinen
LW EKane, Kunitz, Clowe; RW Clarkson, Brunner
D Karlsson, Byfuglien, Boyle, Campbell
G Smith, Varlamov, Niemi, Elliott, Theodore

#4 MrChainBlueLightning

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

So ya, nycldn is completely wrong. Anyone who still uses roto over a scoring system is not serious at all. It has been proven a thousand times over that Roto is nothing even close to an actual representation of what is happening and the value of what is happening in sport.

In Roto baseball Shane Victorino a few years ago was just as valueable or moreso than a Miguel Bautista. Players who contribute to fringe categories become as valued as actual Stars of the league. Hockey it's no different, Landeskog, Dustin Brown and Callahan are just as good as Stamkos, Nash and Malkin. The former provide hits, and blocked shots along with the ability to score, and in roto, it doesn't matter if you score 30 goals and 30 assists on the week and you opponent only manages 10 and 10, because you still only get 2 wins for all your talent, while you can give those 2 wins right back by losing in some nearly-meaningless-when-compared fringe categories like faceoff wins, or blocked shots. You can lose both those categories by 1 each, and it negates your huge wins in categories that have more value to the real game of hockey.

It's simple, Roto is a bad joke from the 80's, it does not come close whatsoever in providing REAL value about player contribution and value to their team.

Anyone who takes fantasy sport seriously abandoned Roto a long time ago.
Goal = a faceoff win, and some joker wants to tell you that's how the serious play it? LMAO, not even close to reality.

Scoring systems attempt to put real value on players while Roto is some hot mess where categories are treated equal and a 1 point win in a category is no different than dominating a category.

Edited by MrChainBlueLightning, 21 January 2013 - 12:50 PM.


#5 nycldn

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

I'll try to stay polite here: Every serious fantasy player prefers season-long Categories to Head-to-Head anything. Categories are more challenging because it forces you to really understand a player's game. If you use points, you can just sort the waiver wire by points without delving into the player's characteristics.
BASKETBALL: Yahoo Public League: Roto, 12 Team, 9 cat
PG Steve Nash, Jameer Nelson; SG James Harden, Jarrett Jack, Kyle Korver
SF Metta World Peace, Chandler Parsons; PF Serge Ibaka, Amir Johnson
CC Marcin Gortat, Larry Sanders, Tristan Thompson, Tiago Splitter

HOCKEY: Yahoo Public League: Roto, 12 Team, 10 cat (6 skate, 4 goal)
TEAM A: (9th pick, missed first half of draft, computer picked)
CC Tavares, Couture, Backes
LW Lucic, DBrown; RW JNeal, Cole, Brunner
D JJohnson, Timonen, Wideman, White
G Holtby, Dubnyk, Giguere, Theodore

TEAM B: (3rd pick, fyi Lundqvist and Quick went 1-2)
CC Malkin, Jokinen
LW EKane, Kunitz, Clowe; RW Clarkson, Brunner
D Karlsson, Byfuglien, Boyle, Campbell
G Smith, Varlamov, Niemi, Elliott, Theodore

#6 Deafmitchell

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:42 AM

Head to head categories. You have to build a team to include all skills and balance it out of. The head to head requires you to manage each day and manage hot/cold streaks.

I love the idea of goals and points, I will be trying that in my next league