What strikes me uncanny about Niese is how similar his minor league and major league career stats look this early into his career.
Minor League Career: 3.73 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 8.16 K/9.
Major League Career: 4.06 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 7.54 K/9.
He had a very nice breakout at 25 last year posting his best ERA and WHIP at the major league level and doing this through a full season nonetheless.
I'm looking forward to good improvement in 2013.
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Jonathon Niese 2013 OutlookMets 26 year old lefty.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:34 PM
I'm a buyer. Niese is one of those 'sneaky value' type arms = solid GB%, decent K rates, generally solid ERA, calls MetCo his home. Love me some Niese.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:56 AM
The days of being able to draft guys like Niese ( ok numbers, but great metrics) in the later rounds are long gone.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:18 PM
Not much chatter about this guy. Put up solid numbers last year and he can be had for a relatively cheap price this year. Plus, just got named Mets' Opening Day starter. Could take that next step this year, though he doesn't K very many.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:23 PM
He's very 'meh'. Not worth it. You could piece together his stat line from guys on the waiver wire.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:29 PM
I like him this year. I got him in round 15 in my mock draft tonight and would be thrilled to get that in actuality.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:47 PM
He's very 'meh'. Not worth it. You could piece together his stat line from guys on the waiver wire.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:29 PM
My Dinner With Andre, on 21 March 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:
He's very 'meh'. Not worth it. You could piece together his stat line from guys on the waiver wire.
In what kind of league are you in cause in the leagues that I'm in it's pretty hard to find guys on the waiver wire who had a 3.40 ERA and 1.17 WHIP last season. All that's left there on waiver wires are the Barry Zito's and Gavin Floyd's.
2-start week vs the Padres and Mighty Marlins. I'm liking me some Niese this week.
Edited by Sine_cera, 30 March 2013 - 02:30 PM.
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2B A.Soriano (2002)
3B D.Wright (2007)
SS A.Rodriguez (1998)
OF L.Walker (1997)
OF E.Burks (1996)
OF S.Sosa (1998)
OF M.Kemp (2011)
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:03 PM
My Dinner With Andre, on 21 March 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:
He's very 'meh'. Not worth it. You could piece together his stat line from guys on the waiver wire.
completely disagree. he is not waiver fodder. He should be owned in all respectable leagues. he's a very solid producer, not going to win a cy young or anything but hes a nice part of your staff.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:11 PM
I think he means you can get those numbers from just streaming the right matchups instead of one particular guy off the wire. While it's arguable, I'd rather have a reliable guy like Niese who I can trust instead of gambling with a bunch of random scrubs.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:26 PM
His K% has been steadily under 20% every year of his career. That's why he's 'meh'
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:45 PM
My Dinner With Andre, on 30 March 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:
His K% has been steadily under 20% every year of his career. That's why he's 'meh'
The only pitching category you use is Ks?
Anyway...the fact of the matter is he gets decent Ks, and provides a good ERA and WHIP. He's not a super stud, but he is a very good #3 for fantasy purposes. He's not really going to hurt you anywhere except perhaps in Wins, which are nearly impossible to predict anyway.
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I'm sure you can make your points without being condescending. Thanks.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:42 PM
Not sure why you guys are all of a sudden gaga over Niese's ERA and WHIP. The guy had the exact same peripheral stats last year that he did the previous two years when his whip was over 1.40. Last year the BABIP dropped 60 points. Thats all that changed.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:49 PM
My Dinner With Andre, on 30 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:
Not sure why you guys are all of a sudden gaga over Niese's ERA and WHIP. The guy had the exact same peripheral stats last year that he did the previous two years when his whip was over 1.40. Last year the BABIP dropped 60 points. Thats all that changed.
I guess it didn't help him that his LOB% wasn't 67% like in 2011. One of the main reasons he had a 4.40 ERA despite having a 3.36 FIP and 3.28 xFIP....
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C I.Rodriguez (1999)
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2B A.Soriano (2002)
3B D.Wright (2007)
SS A.Rodriguez (1998)
OF L.Walker (1997)
OF E.Burks (1996)
OF S.Sosa (1998)
OF M.Kemp (2011)
Util B.Bonds (2001)
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RP E.Gagne (2003), J.Wetteland (1993), T.Hoffman (1996)
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OF E.Burks (1996)
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OF M.Kemp (2011)
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SP Pedro Martinez (2000), Randy Johnson (2001), J.Verlander (2011), R.Clemens (1997), C.Schilling (2002)
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:53 PM
Sine_cera, on 30 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:
My Dinner With Andre, on 30 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:
Not sure why you guys are all of a sudden gaga over Niese's ERA and WHIP. The guy had the exact same peripheral stats last year that he did the previous two years when his whip was over 1.40. Last year the BABIP dropped 60 points. Thats all that changed.
Exact same peripherals? Really?
I guess it didn't help him that his LOB% wasn't 67% like in 2011. One of the main reasons he had a 4.40 ERA despite having a 3.36 FIP and 3.28 xFIP....
LOB% is not a peripheral statistic.
His SwStrk% was at 8% in each of the last three years. FStrike% at 60%. K% at 19% and BB% between 6%-7%.
I used to like him, but there's been no growth.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:55 PM
Solid back end starter, I was high on him last season and his bad luck reversed putting up a nice year. I don't think there is much room for growth, but he could put up a similar season to 2012. I do believe Andre is right, in standard sized leagues (12 teams, 7-9 pitching slots-1250-1400 IP) you could just stream matchups and get similar results. I've avoided guys like Niese because in the leagues I play in he'll likely end up on waivers at some point. Its not for everyone though, and some prefer the solid stable skills that Niese offers, which is a solid fantasy #4/5
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Here's a nifty stat. Niese has pitched at least 6 innings in his last 22 starts. Longest streak in the majors.
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1B- Prince, Konerko
2B- Kipnis, Tat Man
3B- Middlebrooks, Juan Francisco
SS- Segura, Evereth, Aviles, Dietrich
OF- Trout, Rios, Willingham, Melky, Revere, Ozuna
Farm- Darin Ruf, Christian Yelich
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3B- Middlebrooks, Juan Francisco
SS- Segura, Evereth, Aviles, Dietrich
OF- Trout, Rios, Willingham, Melky, Revere, Ozuna
Farm- Darin Ruf, Christian Yelich
SP-Moore, Shields, Medlen, Kuroda, Niese, Diamond, Cingrani
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Another typical Niese start today:
Niese scattered eight hits (all singles) and two walks while striking out five. The 26-year-old left-hander has now thrown six innings or more in 22 straight starts, the longest such streak in the majors. He's a must-start in all formats.
In QS leagues, this guy is money in the bank.
Niese scattered eight hits (all singles) and two walks while striking out five. The 26-year-old left-hander has now thrown six innings or more in 22 straight starts, the longest such streak in the majors. He's a must-start in all formats.
In QS leagues, this guy is money in the bank.
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Didn't have a good WHIP today but about 3-4 of the hits were cheap/jam shots. He didn't really get hit hard out there
sucks that they blew the lead in the 7th, only to then score about 4 runs in the bottom half, leaving him with the ND
sucks that they blew the lead in the 7th, only to then score about 4 runs in the bottom half, leaving him with the ND
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Hitters:
C - Jonathan Lucroy (MIL - C)
1B - Allen Craig (StL - 1B, LF, RF)
2B - Robinson Cano (NYY - 2B)
3B - Pablo Sandoval (SF - 1B, 3B)
SS - Starlin Castro (CHC - SS)
LF - Carlos Gonzalez (COL - LF)
CF - Mike Trout (LAA - LF, CF)
RF - Josh Hamilton (LAA - LF, CF, RF)
Util - Desmond Jennings (TB - LF, CF)
BN - Matt Carpenter (StL - 1B, 2B, 3B, RF)
Pitchers:
Starters: Clayton Kershaw, Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, James Shields, Jordan Zimmermann, Jon Niese, Jason Vargas, Garrett Richards, Matt Garza(DL), Scott Baker(DL), Rubby De La Rosa(NA), Kyle Drabek(DL)
Relievers: Craig Kimbrel, Tom Wilhelmsen,Sean Doolittle, Vinnie Pestano, Jared Burton
Farm System(10 Max): Joe Ross(SD - SP), George Springer(HOU - OF), Daniel Norris(TOR - SP), Ronald Guzman(TEX - 1B/OF), Dan Vogelbach(CHC - 1B), Tyrell Jenkins(StL - SP), Anthony Garcia(StL - OF), Blake Snell(TB - SP), Adam Morgan(PHI - SP), Kolten Wong(StL - 2B)
Hitters:
C - Jonathan Lucroy (MIL - C)
1B - Allen Craig (StL - 1B, LF, RF)
2B - Robinson Cano (NYY - 2B)
3B - Pablo Sandoval (SF - 1B, 3B)
SS - Starlin Castro (CHC - SS)
LF - Carlos Gonzalez (COL - LF)
CF - Mike Trout (LAA - LF, CF)
RF - Josh Hamilton (LAA - LF, CF, RF)
Util - Desmond Jennings (TB - LF, CF)
BN - Matt Carpenter (StL - 1B, 2B, 3B, RF)
Pitchers:
Starters: Clayton Kershaw, Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, James Shields, Jordan Zimmermann, Jon Niese, Jason Vargas, Garrett Richards, Matt Garza(DL), Scott Baker(DL), Rubby De La Rosa(NA), Kyle Drabek(DL)
Relievers: Craig Kimbrel, Tom Wilhelmsen,Sean Doolittle, Vinnie Pestano, Jared Burton
Farm System(10 Max): Joe Ross(SD - SP), George Springer(HOU - OF), Daniel Norris(TOR - SP), Ronald Guzman(TEX - 1B/OF), Dan Vogelbach(CHC - 1B), Tyrell Jenkins(StL - SP), Anthony Garcia(StL - OF), Blake Snell(TB - SP), Adam Morgan(PHI - SP), Kolten Wong(StL - 2B)
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