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#1 Zombies

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostZombies, on 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?
Im not a huge Cain fan, you are right he is consistent, maybe because my league has Giant fans I think he is a little overvalued so I tend to stay away, but Ive never thought of him either as an elite ace.  He tends to do what he is supposed to do as a good pitcher and he racks up a lot of good outings against the dreggs of the NL and there are a lot of bad line ups.  But looking back at last year, I think elite pitchers beat good teams and put up good numbers in a phone booth, and Cain's splits against some of the better NL Line ups and hitters parks werent where I would think an elite P would be.

I have him in that HUGE group of pitchers just under elite level but for me with regards to Cain Im usually not a buyer because of price in our league, but he is very dependable so you know what you are getting for your pick or cap investment.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

View Postparrothead, on 15 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostZombies, on 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?
Im not a huge Cain fan, you are right he is consistent, maybe because my league has Giant fans I think he is a little overvalued so I tend to stay away, but Ive never thought of him either as an elite ace.  He tends to do what he is supposed to do as a good pitcher and he racks up a lot of good outings against the dreggs of the NL and there are a lot of bad line ups.  But looking back at last year, I think elite pitchers beat good teams and put up good numbers in a phone booth, and Cain's splits against some of the better NL Line ups and hitters parks werent where I would think an elite P would be.

I have him in that HUGE group of pitchers just under elite level but for me with regards to Cain Im usually not a buyer because of price in our league, but he is very dependable so you know what you are getting for your pick or cap investment.

Agreed 100%.   He's not a fantasy ace.  Definitely a better 'real life' pitcher then fantasy.   He's the definition of a #2 Fantasy SP.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM

I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace".  He's a bargain every single year.  Love it.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

View PostNeymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace".  He's a bargain every single year.  Love it.

Agreed.   He doesn't eclipses 200Ks.....but his ERA and WHIP are grade A.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM

View PostNeymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace".  He's a bargain every single year.  Love it.

Ok weak ace then.  I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP,  solid era and decent K's.   Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver


EDIT:  Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP.   I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.

Edited by Whoopie!, 21 January 2013 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:57 AM

Weaver? He has the same problem with Great lineups last year.. I guess he has more Win potential, but that's it.

Cain is a low end no 1 SP with about as rock solid floor you could ask from a SP...

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:58 AM

View PostWhoopie!, on 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

View PostNeymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace".  He's a bargain every single year.  Love it.

Ok weak ace then.  I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP,  solid era and decent K's.   Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver

I like all of these arms - except Weaver - more than Cain, too.     But i never end up with these guys as they go to early for me.

As for Weaver, he's a slightly lesser version Cain, in my eyes.     Yes, he's has the one great year with over 200Ks 3 or 4 seasons ago, but his K rate has declined rather sharply in recent seasons.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

View PostWhoopie!, on 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

View PostNeymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace".  He's a bargain every single year.  Love it.

Ok weak ace then.  I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP,  solid era and decent K's.   Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver


EDIT:  Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP.   I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.

So....you are saying there are only 8 pitchers you'd prefer over Cain?  Um...unless you are playing in an 8-team league, that makes him a #1 and a fantasy ace, by definition.

PS - I'd also prefer Cain over Weaver and possibly even Lee.

Edited by Neymar, 21 January 2013 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

View PostNeymar, on 21 January 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

View PostWhoopie!, on 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

View PostNeymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace".  He's a bargain every single year.  Love it.

Ok weak ace then.  I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP,  solid era and decent K's.   Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.

Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver


EDIT:  Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP.   I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.

So....you are saying there are only 8 pitchers you'd prefer over Cain?  Um...unless you are playing in an 8-team league, that makes him a #1 and a fantasy ace, by definition.

PS - I'd also prefer Cain over Weaver and possibly even Lee.

Well id also consider Gio/Dickey so thats 10 guys.   I amended to being a weak ace so yes in 12 team leagues, he's a #1 SP.   Depends alot on your format tho also.  If you're in a roto league, he's alot more valuable Cain.  Pretty solid in all catergories.    H2H leagues,  his value is diminished somewhat.   While his floor is really high,  his ceiling is lower then all those other guys listed IMO.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

Thoughts on Cain this season?
Competitive start 2 QB, 0.5 PPR, 12 team H2H deep re-draft league, all TDs = 6 pts. Roster below (starting spots in brackets):

QB (2) - Peyton Manning, Tony Romo, Brandon Weeden, Terrelle Pryor
RB/FLEX (3) - Trent Richardson, Darren Sproles, Chris Ivory, Ronnie Hillman, Lance Dunbar, Knile Davis, Robert Turbin, Andre Ellignton
WR (4) - Roddy White, Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Miles Austin, Justin Blackmon, Ruben Randle
TE (2) - Jimmy Graham, Jason Witten, Jordan Reed
K (2) - Garrett Hartley, Randy Bullock
DEF (2) - San Francisco, Minnesota, Philadelphia
IDP (4) - D'Qwell Jackson, NaVorro Bowman, Chad Greenway, Kiko Alonso

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

View Postgbill2004, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Thoughts on Cain this season?

Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?
12-Team H2H Re-Draft 6x6 (Runs, AVG, HRs, RBIs, BBs, Steals) (Ws, Ls, Ks, ERA, WHIP, Saves)

C Russell Martin ©
1B Adrian Gonzalez (1B) || Adam Dunn (1B, LF) || Mitch Moreland (1B)
2B Howie Kendrick (2B)
3B Nolan Arenado (3B) || Hanley Ramirez (3B, SS) || Will Middlebrooks (3B)
SS Jimmy Rollins (SS)
LF Carlos Gonzalez (LF) || Michael Saunders (LF, CF, RF)
CF Mike Trout (LF, CF) || Dexter Fowler (CF)
RF Jose Bautista (RF) || Daniel Nava (LF, RF)

SP Cole Hamels || Jeff Samardzija || Lance Lynn || Mike Minor || Jeff Locke || Jeremy Hellickson || David Phelps || Bartolo Colon || Kevin Gausman
RP Tom Wilhelmsen || Glen Perkins

My credentials: Data analyst as my day job, have played fantasy baseball for two seasons, first-place in 10-team Roto my first season and first-place in 12-team H2H my second season.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

First 3 Innings, 9 up/9down.
4th Inning, 7 hits, 2 Walks, 7 ER

Some bloops, some blasts

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

Talk about a rough inning

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C-mesoraco 1B- agonz, 2B-Altulve SS-Hardy 3B-K Johnson
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Ut-Howard
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bench-Bourne, Dee Gordon
Sp-Felix, Scherzer, Peavy, Cingrani, Sabathia, Harrang, Eovaldi, Buerhle, T wood
RP- Romo, Soriano, Street, Rondon

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

Scratch that, 9 ER.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

omg...One minute everything was fine, the next am scrolling down through  yahoo's 80pg play by play filled with green highlights showing Hell on Earth
what a painful inning
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

View PostFantasyShmantasy, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

View Postgbill2004, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Thoughts on Cain this season?

Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?

Well that dream is over.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

Thanks Cain...just cost me era and whip for the week.
12 team h2h
C-mesoraco 1B- agonz, 2B-Altulve SS-Hardy 3B-K Johnson
OF- Cargo, Adam Jones, Allan Craig, Coco Crisp
Ut-Howard
DL-Machado
bench-Bourne, Dee Gordon
Sp-Felix, Scherzer, Peavy, Cingrani, Sabathia, Harrang, Eovaldi, Buerhle, T wood
RP- Romo, Soriano, Street, Rondon

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

Any issues with velocity?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:53 PM

View PostZumayaaaa, on 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

View PostFantasyShmantasy, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

View Postgbill2004, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Thoughts on Cain this season?

Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?

Well that dream is over.

Whew, am I glad I didn't need to rely on him and was able to bench him in my H2H match. With that being said, even aces have rough outings. No big deal.
12-Team H2H Re-Draft 6x6 (Runs, AVG, HRs, RBIs, BBs, Steals) (Ws, Ls, Ks, ERA, WHIP, Saves)

C Russell Martin ©
1B Adrian Gonzalez (1B) || Adam Dunn (1B, LF) || Mitch Moreland (1B)
2B Howie Kendrick (2B)
3B Nolan Arenado (3B) || Hanley Ramirez (3B, SS) || Will Middlebrooks (3B)
SS Jimmy Rollins (SS)
LF Carlos Gonzalez (LF) || Michael Saunders (LF, CF, RF)
CF Mike Trout (LF, CF) || Dexter Fowler (CF)
RF Jose Bautista (RF) || Daniel Nava (LF, RF)

SP Cole Hamels || Jeff Samardzija || Lance Lynn || Mike Minor || Jeff Locke || Jeremy Hellickson || David Phelps || Bartolo Colon || Kevin Gausman
RP Tom Wilhelmsen || Glen Perkins

My credentials: Data analyst as my day job, have played fantasy baseball for two seasons, first-place in 10-team Roto my first season and first-place in 12-team H2H my second season.




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