Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?
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Matt Cain 2013 Outlook
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM
NL only 5x5
Rob Brantley $4, Nick Hundley $1, Ike Davis $10, Chase Utley $6, Pablo Sandoval $18,Brandon Crawford $1,Jed Gyorko $11, Aramis Ramirez $16, Carlos Gonzalez $25, Andrew McCutchen $20, Giancarlo Stanton $20, Carl Crawford $17, Brandon Belt $8, Domonic Brown $5, Travis Snider $1
Clayton Kershaw $20, Madison Bumgarner $20, Stephen Strasburg $20, Homer Bailey $4, Jeff Samardzija $1, Aroldis Chapman $37, Edward Mujica $7, Trevor Rosenthal $5, Tony Cingrani $19, James Russell $5
Minors: Travis d'Arnaud $5, Gerrit Cole $5, Christian Yelich $5
Rob Brantley $4, Nick Hundley $1, Ike Davis $10, Chase Utley $6, Pablo Sandoval $18,Brandon Crawford $1,Jed Gyorko $11, Aramis Ramirez $16, Carlos Gonzalez $25, Andrew McCutchen $20, Giancarlo Stanton $20, Carl Crawford $17, Brandon Belt $8, Domonic Brown $5, Travis Snider $1
Clayton Kershaw $20, Madison Bumgarner $20, Stephen Strasburg $20, Homer Bailey $4, Jeff Samardzija $1, Aroldis Chapman $37, Edward Mujica $7, Trevor Rosenthal $5, Tony Cingrani $19, James Russell $5
Minors: Travis d'Arnaud $5, Gerrit Cole $5, Christian Yelich $5
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:51 PM
Zombies, on 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:
Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?
I have him in that HUGE group of pitchers just under elite level but for me with regards to Cain Im usually not a buyer because of price in our league, but he is very dependable so you know what you are getting for your pick or cap investment.
Seems everybody's jogging or heavy into health s?&t, don't tell me that I otta get rolfed, cause I love Cajun martinis and playing afternoon golf-JB from we are the people are parents warned us about
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:37 AM
parrothead, on 15 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:
Zombies, on 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:
Matt Cain is the model of consistency and durability. He throws 200+ innings every year, puts up great ratios and his K rate is improving. Is there anything not to like about Matt Cain?
I have him in that HUGE group of pitchers just under elite level but for me with regards to Cain Im usually not a buyer because of price in our league, but he is very dependable so you know what you are getting for your pick or cap investment.
Agreed 100%. He's not a fantasy ace. Definitely a better 'real life' pitcher then fantasy. He's the definition of a #2 Fantasy SP.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM
I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:54 PM
Neymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:
I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.
Agreed. He doesn't eclipses 200Ks.....but his ERA and WHIP are grade A.
Sign me up.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM
Neymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:
I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.
Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.
Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver
EDIT: Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP. I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.
Edited by Whoopie!, 21 January 2013 - 08:56 AM.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:57 AM
Weaver? He has the same problem with Great lineups last year.. I guess he has more Win potential, but that's it.
Cain is a low end no 1 SP with about as rock solid floor you could ask from a SP...
Cain is a low end no 1 SP with about as rock solid floor you could ask from a SP...
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:58 AM
Whoopie!, on 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:
Neymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:
I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.
Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.
Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver
I like all of these arms - except Weaver - more than Cain, too. But i never end up with these guys as they go to early for me.
As for Weaver, he's a slightly lesser version Cain, in my eyes. Yes, he's has the one great year with over 200Ks 3 or 4 seasons ago, but his K rate has declined rather sharply in recent seasons.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:06 AM
Whoopie!, on 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:
Neymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:
I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.
Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.
Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver
EDIT: Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP. I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.
So....you are saying there are only 8 pitchers you'd prefer over Cain? Um...unless you are playing in an 8-team league, that makes him a #1 and a fantasy ace, by definition.
PS - I'd also prefer Cain over Weaver and possibly even Lee.
Edited by Neymar, 21 January 2013 - 10:07 AM.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:12 AM
Neymar, on 21 January 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:
Whoopie!, on 21 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:
Neymar, on 20 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:
I LOVE that people don't think he's "a fantasy ace". He's a bargain every single year. Love it.
Ok weak ace then. I'd still prefer all these options over him and possibly Sale/Dickey for the upside . Cain is solid, dont get me wrong but he's not the dominant pitcher these guys below are. He's going to give you IP, solid era and decent K's. Never has he even k'd 200+. These guys have the higher upside IMO.
Verlander
Kershaw
Hamels
Felix
Lee
Strasburg
Price
Weaver
EDIT: Just looked at my league and he finished pretty much where i expected, the 12th overall SP. I'd much prefer him as my #2 SP , ill leave it at that.
So....you are saying there are only 8 pitchers you'd prefer over Cain? Um...unless you are playing in an 8-team league, that makes him a #1 and a fantasy ace, by definition.
PS - I'd also prefer Cain over Weaver and possibly even Lee.
Well id also consider Gio/Dickey so thats 10 guys. I amended to being a weak ace so yes in 12 team leagues, he's a #1 SP. Depends alot on your format tho also. If you're in a roto league, he's alot more valuable Cain. Pretty solid in all catergories. H2H leagues, his value is diminished somewhat. While his floor is really high, his ceiling is lower then all those other guys listed IMO.
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Thoughts on Cain this season?
Competitive Yahoo 8 team H2H deep league. Starting roster spots in brackets:
C (2) - Buster Posey, Mike Napoli
1B (2) - Adrian Gonzalez, Billy Butler
2B (2) - Ben Zobrist, Brandon Phillips, Neil Walker
3B (2) - Hanley Ramirez, Ryan Zimmerman, Mark Reynolds
SS (2) - Andrelton Simmons, Martin Prado
OF (4) - Andrew McCutchen, Matt Kemp, Matt Holliday, Sin-Soo Choo, Staring Marte, BJ Upton
DL (1) - Jose Reyes
SP (4) - Cliff Lee, Matt Cain, Gio Gonzalez, RA Dickey, Andy Pettitte, Alex Cobb, Wandy Rodriguez, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Scott Kazmir
RP (2) - Jose Valverde, Ernesto Frieri, Kenley Jansen
C (2) - Buster Posey, Mike Napoli
1B (2) - Adrian Gonzalez, Billy Butler
2B (2) - Ben Zobrist, Brandon Phillips, Neil Walker
3B (2) - Hanley Ramirez, Ryan Zimmerman, Mark Reynolds
SS (2) - Andrelton Simmons, Martin Prado
OF (4) - Andrew McCutchen, Matt Kemp, Matt Holliday, Sin-Soo Choo, Staring Marte, BJ Upton
DL (1) - Jose Reyes
SP (4) - Cliff Lee, Matt Cain, Gio Gonzalez, RA Dickey, Andy Pettitte, Alex Cobb, Wandy Rodriguez, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Scott Kazmir
RP (2) - Jose Valverde, Ernesto Frieri, Kenley Jansen
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM
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Thoughts on Cain this season?
Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?
12-Team H2H Re-Draft 6x6 (Runs, AVG, HRs, RBIs, BBs, Steals) (Ws, Ls, Ks, ERA, WHIP, Saves)
C Evan Gattis ©
1B Freddie Freeman (1B) || Adrian Gonzalez (1B) || Jordan Pacheco (C, 1B, 3B)
2B Ben Zobrist (2B, SS, RF)
3B Todd Frazier (1B, 3B, LF) || Nolan Arenado (3B)
SS Ian Desmond (SS)
LF Carlos Gonzalez (LF) || Michael Saunders (LF, CF, RF)
CF Dexter Fowler (CF) || Denard Span (CF)
RF Jose Bautista (RF) || Gerardo Parra (LF, CF, RF)
SP Matt Cain || Chris Sale || Jeff Samardzija || Lance Lynn || Mike Minor || Wade Miley || Shelby Miller || Jose Quintana
RP Tom Wilhelmsen || Glen Perkins
My credentials: Data analyst as my day job, have played fantasy baseball for two seasons, first-place in 10-team Roto my first season and first-place in 12-team H2H my second season.
C Evan Gattis ©
1B Freddie Freeman (1B) || Adrian Gonzalez (1B) || Jordan Pacheco (C, 1B, 3B)
2B Ben Zobrist (2B, SS, RF)
3B Todd Frazier (1B, 3B, LF) || Nolan Arenado (3B)
SS Ian Desmond (SS)
LF Carlos Gonzalez (LF) || Michael Saunders (LF, CF, RF)
CF Dexter Fowler (CF) || Denard Span (CF)
RF Jose Bautista (RF) || Gerardo Parra (LF, CF, RF)
SP Matt Cain || Chris Sale || Jeff Samardzija || Lance Lynn || Mike Minor || Wade Miley || Shelby Miller || Jose Quintana
RP Tom Wilhelmsen || Glen Perkins
My credentials: Data analyst as my day job, have played fantasy baseball for two seasons, first-place in 10-team Roto my first season and first-place in 12-team H2H my second season.
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First 3 Innings, 9 up/9down.
4th Inning, 7 hits, 2 Walks, 7 ER
Some bloops, some blasts
4th Inning, 7 hits, 2 Walks, 7 ER
Some bloops, some blasts
16 Team H2H Points
C - Jesus Montero
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Ian Kinsler
3B - Matt Carpenter
SS - Troy Tulowitzki
OF - Alex Gordon
OF - Alfonso Soriano
OF - Dayan Viciedo
U - Eric Hosmer
Bench - Coco Crisp, Dayan Viciedo, Marcell Ozuna, Kelly Johnson, Dee Gordon
DL - Josh Reddick,
SP - Adam Wainwright, Lance Lynn, Derek Holland, Paul Maholm, Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Jarrod Parker
RP - Craig Kimbrel, Trevor Rosenthal
C - Jesus Montero
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Ian Kinsler
3B - Matt Carpenter
SS - Troy Tulowitzki
OF - Alex Gordon
OF - Alfonso Soriano
OF - Dayan Viciedo
U - Eric Hosmer
Bench - Coco Crisp, Dayan Viciedo, Marcell Ozuna, Kelly Johnson, Dee Gordon
DL - Josh Reddick,
SP - Adam Wainwright, Lance Lynn, Derek Holland, Paul Maholm, Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Jarrod Parker
RP - Craig Kimbrel, Trevor Rosenthal
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:47 PM
Talk about a rough inning
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C-r martin 1B- rizzo, 2B-k johnson SS-s Castro 3B-lawrie
OF- mcclouth, n Cruz, fowler, Cespedes
Ut-moss,pierre
Sp-verlander, morrow, cingrani, Corbin, santiago, vargas
RP- street, bailey, tazawa mujica, Gregg
Injured- a hill, texiera, stanton
departed-halladay
C-r martin 1B- rizzo, 2B-k johnson SS-s Castro 3B-lawrie
OF- mcclouth, n Cruz, fowler, Cespedes
Ut-moss,pierre
Sp-verlander, morrow, cingrani, Corbin, santiago, vargas
RP- street, bailey, tazawa mujica, Gregg
Injured- a hill, texiera, stanton
departed-halladay
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:48 PM
Scratch that, 9 ER.
16 Team H2H Points
C - Jesus Montero
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Ian Kinsler
3B - Matt Carpenter
SS - Troy Tulowitzki
OF - Alex Gordon
OF - Alfonso Soriano
OF - Dayan Viciedo
U - Eric Hosmer
Bench - Coco Crisp, Dayan Viciedo, Marcell Ozuna, Kelly Johnson, Dee Gordon
DL - Josh Reddick,
SP - Adam Wainwright, Lance Lynn, Derek Holland, Paul Maholm, Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Jarrod Parker
RP - Craig Kimbrel, Trevor Rosenthal
C - Jesus Montero
1B - Freddie Freeman
2B - Ian Kinsler
3B - Matt Carpenter
SS - Troy Tulowitzki
OF - Alex Gordon
OF - Alfonso Soriano
OF - Dayan Viciedo
U - Eric Hosmer
Bench - Coco Crisp, Dayan Viciedo, Marcell Ozuna, Kelly Johnson, Dee Gordon
DL - Josh Reddick,
SP - Adam Wainwright, Lance Lynn, Derek Holland, Paul Maholm, Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Jarrod Parker
RP - Craig Kimbrel, Trevor Rosenthal
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM
omg...One minute everything was fine, the next am scrolling down through yahoo's 80pg play by play filled with green highlights showing Hell on Earth
what a painful inning
what a painful inning
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM
FantasyShmantasy, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:
gbill2004, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:
Thoughts on Cain this season?
Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?
Well that dream is over.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM
Thanks Cain...just cost me era and whip for the week.
12 team h2h
C-r martin 1B- rizzo, 2B-k johnson SS-s Castro 3B-lawrie
OF- mcclouth, n Cruz, fowler, Cespedes
Ut-moss,pierre
Sp-verlander, morrow, cingrani, Corbin, santiago, vargas
RP- street, bailey, tazawa mujica, Gregg
Injured- a hill, texiera, stanton
departed-halladay
C-r martin 1B- rizzo, 2B-k johnson SS-s Castro 3B-lawrie
OF- mcclouth, n Cruz, fowler, Cespedes
Ut-moss,pierre
Sp-verlander, morrow, cingrani, Corbin, santiago, vargas
RP- street, bailey, tazawa mujica, Gregg
Injured- a hill, texiera, stanton
departed-halladay
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM
Any issues with velocity?
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:53 PM
Zumayaaaa, on 07 April 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:
FantasyShmantasy, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:
gbill2004, on 03 April 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:
Thoughts on Cain this season?
Expecting a Cy Young caliber season, as usual. You?
Well that dream is over.
Whew, am I glad I didn't need to rely on him and was able to bench him in my H2H match. With that being said, even aces have rough outings. No big deal.
12-Team H2H Re-Draft 6x6 (Runs, AVG, HRs, RBIs, BBs, Steals) (Ws, Ls, Ks, ERA, WHIP, Saves)
C Evan Gattis ©
1B Freddie Freeman (1B) || Adrian Gonzalez (1B) || Jordan Pacheco (C, 1B, 3B)
2B Ben Zobrist (2B, SS, RF)
3B Todd Frazier (1B, 3B, LF) || Nolan Arenado (3B)
SS Ian Desmond (SS)
LF Carlos Gonzalez (LF) || Michael Saunders (LF, CF, RF)
CF Dexter Fowler (CF) || Denard Span (CF)
RF Jose Bautista (RF) || Gerardo Parra (LF, CF, RF)
SP Matt Cain || Chris Sale || Jeff Samardzija || Lance Lynn || Mike Minor || Wade Miley || Shelby Miller || Jose Quintana
RP Tom Wilhelmsen || Glen Perkins
My credentials: Data analyst as my day job, have played fantasy baseball for two seasons, first-place in 10-team Roto my first season and first-place in 12-team H2H my second season.
C Evan Gattis ©
1B Freddie Freeman (1B) || Adrian Gonzalez (1B) || Jordan Pacheco (C, 1B, 3B)
2B Ben Zobrist (2B, SS, RF)
3B Todd Frazier (1B, 3B, LF) || Nolan Arenado (3B)
SS Ian Desmond (SS)
LF Carlos Gonzalez (LF) || Michael Saunders (LF, CF, RF)
CF Dexter Fowler (CF) || Denard Span (CF)
RF Jose Bautista (RF) || Gerardo Parra (LF, CF, RF)
SP Matt Cain || Chris Sale || Jeff Samardzija || Lance Lynn || Mike Minor || Wade Miley || Shelby Miller || Jose Quintana
RP Tom Wilhelmsen || Glen Perkins
My credentials: Data analyst as my day job, have played fantasy baseball for two seasons, first-place in 10-team Roto my first season and first-place in 12-team H2H my second season.
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