Michael Zunino C SEA
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, Jan 28 2013 11:41 PM
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#21
Jericho
Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:53 PM
 DJSatane, on 14 April 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:
Do you guys think there is no chance he is called up before june right?
There's definitely a chance, but Zunino would have to force the Mariners hand. They already have problems on the big league roster, so that part is taken care of. Montero would ideally not be a catcher, and Zunino could move him to 1B/DH. And while Seattle is unlikely to compete in 2013, I don't see them completely writing off the year. So a hot Zunino could force a move. Just not likely to happen this quick. So I wouldn't bank on an early call up.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:13 AM
He's been sucking for a few games now. He's striking out way too much (13 times in only 40 at bats) with only 3 walks in that period. So after his hot hot start, his average is now down to .250 since he's not making any contact. The M's will do well to leave him down for a couple months to work this out (assuming he can) as he's not going to do anybody any good if he gets called up and can't make enough contact at the big league level.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:23 AM
Bodhizefa, on 18 April 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:
He's been sucking for a few games now. He's striking out way too much (13 times in only 40 at bats) with only 3 walks in that period. So after his hot hot start, his average is now down to .250 since he's not making any contact. The M's will do well to leave him down for a couple months to work this out (assuming he can) as he's not going to do anybody any good if he gets called up and can't make enough contact at the big league level.
40 ABs is too small a sample size to glean anything from, good or bad.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.
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Bodhizefa
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:47 PM
Posting In The Clutch, on 18 April 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:
Bodhizefa, on 18 April 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:
He's been sucking for a few games now. He's striking out way too much (13 times in only 40 at bats) with only 3 walks in that period. So after his hot hot start, his average is now down to .250 since he's not making any contact. The M's will do well to leave him down for a couple months to work this out (assuming he can) as he's not going to do anybody any good if he gets called up and can't make enough contact at the big league level.
40 ABs is too small a sample size to glean anything from, good or bad.
That's not true at all. Contact rates stabilize very quickly for hitters (kind of like strikeout rates for pitchers). The "small sample size" meme running rampant throughout fantasy analyst circles in the last five years or so has really gone too far, in my opinion. There are plenty of things you can ascertain from small samples, and contact rate is one of them. Also, I've read plenty of scouting notes on Zunino so far into the season, and they all agree on the contact issue.
"We used to roast Stay Puft marshmallows by the fire at Camp Wocanda."
Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:57 PM
Bodhizefa, on 18 April 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:
Posting In The Clutch, on 18 April 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:
Bodhizefa, on 18 April 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:
He's been sucking for a few games now. He's striking out way too much (13 times in only 40 at bats) with only 3 walks in that period. So after his hot hot start, his average is now down to .250 since he's not making any contact. The M's will do well to leave him down for a couple months to work this out (assuming he can) as he's not going to do anybody any good if he gets called up and can't make enough contact at the big league level.
40 ABs is too small a sample size to glean anything from, good or bad.
That's not true at all. Contact rates stabilize very quickly for hitters (kind of like strikeout rates for pitchers). The "small sample size" meme running rampant throughout fantasy analyst circles in the last five years or so has really gone too far, in my opinion. There are plenty of things you can ascertain from small samples, and contact rate is one of them. Also, I've read plenty of scouting notes on Zunino so far into the season, and they all agree on the contact issue.
bodhi is correct... k rates and bb rates stabilize (very quickly) at ~60 ab's and ~120 ab"s, respectively
http://www.fangraphs...ayer-in-a-year/
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:13 PM
Well, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to draw conclusions from 40 ABs about a a guy who just turned 22 last month who practically skipped AA (15 games) and is starting the year in AAA. You can if you like, though.
Peaks and valleys. Especially when you're talking about young prospects still figuring out their craft.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.
#27
Cmilne23
Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:26 AM
Yikes, down to .217. Been having a rough go lately. Perhaps he is not close to MLB ready.
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FearTheBeard
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:14 AM
Cmilne23, on 20 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:
Yikes, down to .217. Been having a rough go lately. Perhaps he is not close to MLB ready.
He was, unfortunately someone in the M's hitting development program gave him some pointers - so he'll be on the same sweet program Ackley, Smoak, and Montero are on. Mother of God....
#29
Cmilne23
Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:14 AM
FearTheBeard, on 20 April 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:
Cmilne23, on 20 April 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:
Yikes, down to .217. Been having a rough go lately. Perhaps he is not close to MLB ready.
He was, unfortunately someone in the M's hitting development program gave him some pointers - so he'll be on the same sweet program Ackley, Smoak, and Montero are on. Mother of God....
I am shopping him in my keeper league. If he is going to the Jack Zduriencik scouting school of hitting I do not know how he will be successful. Wish they'd clean house already top to bottom in that organization. Obviously when every prospect that comes up is a bust there is an issue.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:07 AM
Ridiculous home/away split so far. A HR away yesterday after 6 home games where he went 0 for 20.
TEAM 1: 14 Team H2H Keeper 5x5 (AVE, HR, RBI, R, SB, ERA, K, W, Saves, WHIP)
C. Y Grandal; 1B. A Craig; 2B. J Altuve; 3B. P Alvarez; SS. J Segura; OF. D Jennings, D Brown, S Marte; UTIL. Y Alonso, A Simmons;
Bench. C.Quentin, B.Belt;
Minors. J.Gyorko
P. C Sale, M Bumgarner, V.Pestano, J Cueto, A.Cashner, L Lynn, Y Darvish, D Robertson, E.Frieri;
Bench. T Bauer, F.Francisco;
Minors. J Taillon.
TEAM 2: 30 Team Roto Keeper 6x6 (AVE, HR, RBI, R, SB, OPS, ERA, K, W, Saves, Holds, WHIP)
Real life contracts used ($100M cap), players with less than 150AB/50IP in MLB free, once that is reached then 400K per year for 4 years.
C. Jarrod Saltalamacchia; CI. Albert Pujols, Paul Konerko; MI. Emilio Bonifacio, Johnny Giavotella; OF. Jay Bruce, Alejandro de Aza, Angel Pagan; UT. Joey Votto
Bench. David Murphy, Matt Downs, Jesus Guzman
SP. CC Sabathia, Jason Hammel, Travis Wood; RP. Rex Brothers, Sean Doolittle, Vinnie Pestano; P. Lance Lynn, Homer Bailey, Rafael Soriano; Bench. Tom Gorzelanny, Chris Young, Joe Thatcher, Jared Hughes
Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:25 PM
anything in his prospect profile that suggested he would be k-ing at a 30% clip? i really didn't see this coming...
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:56 PM
natti, on 02 May 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:
anything in his prospect profile that suggested he would be k-ing at a 30% clip? i really didn't see this coming...
He's sped through the minors at a ridiculous rate so far, and this is his first taste of decent breaking stuff. It shouldn't be that surprising, especially given that his scouting reports never alleged him to have great batting average skills right now (although they said he had the physical tools to perhaps grow into being a good average hitter). Relax. He needs some time to figure things out, and that's normal.
"We used to roast Stay Puft marshmallows by the fire at Camp Wocanda."
#33
Cmilne23
Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:51 AM
natti, on 02 May 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:
anything in his prospect profile that suggested he would be k-ing at a 30% clip? i really didn't see this coming...
He is a Mariner. We haven't produced a hitting prospect since 1994 through our system. He will be the next in the long line of busts. I know I am a the ray of sunshine fro this thread!
#34
Cmilne23
Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:23 AM
Down to .195. Walking the same bust line that many Mariner prospects have followed before him. His AAA manager was on the radio up in Seattle yesterday and said teams stopped throwing him fastballs and he is unable to adjust. Seems like a typical Mariner prospect, throw the ball straight and its fine, but once it starts moving, 0%, none, nada, zilch chance they adjust.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:12 PM
he would be upgrade at defense vs montero but when it comes to offense I highly doubt it.
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