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[justzeetip]

Kicker and defense both influence the qb to some degree but not enough to downgrade a qbs fantasy value over.  Two years ago with sean payton running the saints, they had the 6th best defense in the league and a corp of kickers routinely kicking 50 yarders and Brees was obviously still an elite qb.  You can upgrade a qb due to a garbage D forcing them to throw a lot, like carson palmer on the raiders, but elite qbs dont get downgraded too much from having a stingy D and not at all from having a good kicker in phil dawson rather than one who shanks everything like akers.  It was a move that will put 3 on the board instead of turning the ball over, not one that will decrease kaep's value.

That being said, Kaep isnt an elite talent yet.  Not saying he isnt a top 10 qb from his rookie year which says a lot but elite? not yet.  so the defense thing hinders his value a little bit but you're on crack if you think a kicker will do anything to hurt it.  I rank kaep as my number 9 or 10 qb behind the big 3, peyton, Matty Ice, cam, stafford, rgIII and maybe even Luck.  Yes he has good upside and hes on a good team but i feel like the people i listed ahead of him all have more upside than him and have all proved it once before, maybe with the exception of luck but i think he makes huge strides in his 2nd year and jumps up that list.

I think kaep goes off the board as the 9th or 10th qb which is a good value based draft position for him but i just wouldnt jump early on him to grab him over any of those guys i listed.

[FantasyGuru24]

Stud ... Top 3 Fantasy QB next year .. You can take that to the bank!

[sfdevil]

petekrum, on 25 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

rraayy3, on 24 March 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

i'm not altering my QB ranks because of a kicker.

Nor is anyone with a functioning brain.

thank you for your baseless insult, it made me laugh

now you're plain wrong about harbaugh being conservative because he had a garbage qb.

watch the miami sf game, as well as the second rams game (I suggest watching the all 22 film, but even the regular feed will be fine)
[in fact, I remember many people on THIS SITE asking what was the point of changing alex for kaep if harbaugh was going to be conservative, after those games]

watch harbaugh at stanford with one of the best college qbs of our time running the ball more than half the time

watch harbaugh before stanford, at sdsu talking how the #1 job of the qb is to take care of the ball

everything about harbaugh screams conservative unless his team falls behind

[sfdevil]

BxBOMBERs28, on 24 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

I totally agree on how a bad DEF can inflate a QB's numbers... never said anything to the contrary. I just dont see how signing a 40yr old kicker deflates Kaps value. Such an over analysis to me. Your telling me if the Saints signed the best kicker in the league that you would downgrade Brees? Im with you on how a good D can take some chances away. Switching kickers however will make me downgrade no QB ever. Talent doesnt insure fantasy greatness but its a damn good indicator if you ask me. High volume pass attempts doesnt insure anything. Nothing is insured in fantasy. Stafford chucked it up a crazy # of times this yr... sure helped him improve right? Zero.

its a pretty SMALL factor, Ive thought I made that clear when discussing it. it is a factor nonetheless...

especially if you get a stud kicker after the disaster of a year Akers had...it changes your options in those 35 yard line 3rd and medium/long situations, especially if you are playing  ahead...you arent forcing things.

a good defense is far more important factor, no doubt

[Obscene_Domino]

ALL in. Not just saying that because I'm a Niners fan. This kid is special. Unless teams can stop the read option next year, which I doubt they will be able to, unless it's a team that runs it, but even then Kaepnasty can still beat you with his arm. Going to be a great year for this offense.

[zshawn]

With the amount of picks the 9ers have, I wouldn't be surprised if they moved up to draft players they want. Heard they are looking to move up to grab some wrs. If they get someone like Tavon Austin, I see Colin's stock going up.

[petekrum]

sfdevil, on 26 March 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

petekrum, on 25 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

rraayy3, on 24 March 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

i'm not altering my QB ranks because of a kicker.

Nor is anyone with a functioning brain.

thank you for your baseless insult, it made me laugh

now you're plain wrong about harbaugh being conservative because he had a garbage qb.

watch the miami sf game, as well as the second rams game (I suggest watching the all 22 film, but even the regular feed will be fine)
[in fact, I remember many people on THIS SITE asking what was the point of changing alex for kaep if harbaugh was going to be conservative, after those games]

watch harbaugh at stanford with one of the best college qbs of our time running the ball more than half the time

watch harbaugh before stanford, at sdsu talking how the #1 job of the qb is to take care of the ball

everything about harbaugh screams conservative unless his team falls behind

Gonna nickname this forum Charmin.

[hardway]

petekrum, on 06 April 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

sfdevil, on 26 March 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

petekrum, on 25 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

rraayy3, on 24 March 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

i'm not altering my QB ranks because of a kicker.

Nor is anyone with a functioning brain.

thank you for your baseless insult, it made me laugh

now you're plain wrong about harbaugh being conservative because he had a garbage qb.

watch the miami sf game, as well as the second rams game (I suggest watching the all 22 film, but even the regular feed will be fine)
[in fact, I remember many people on THIS SITE asking what was the point of changing alex for kaep if harbaugh was going to be conservative, after those games]

watch harbaugh at stanford with one of the best college qbs of our time running the ball more than half the time

watch harbaugh before stanford, at sdsu talking how the #1 job of the qb is to take care of the ball

everything about harbaugh screams conservative unless his team falls behind

Gonna nickname this forum Charmin.

I think Harbs is a conservative coach by nature, but I think the urge to take the brakes off is going to be too strong to resist once they see what Kaep can do with a full offseason taking starter reps (not to mention what we have already seen!).  I know Roman is already cooking up a much more ambitious playbook than they had last season.

Harbaugh loves to run the ball and play strong D, and there is no better position to do that from then a 14+ point lead.  I think they will want to establish the lead and play 'Harb-ball' from there.

[zshawn]

If we take Colin's 7 starts in the regular season and project them over a whole season, the numbers are:


3,755 passing yards, 23 passing TD's, 7 INT's, 537 yards rushing with 5 TD's.



Now if we take Colin's playoff numbers and project those over a whole season:



4,256 yards passing, 21 passing TD's, 11 INT's, 1,408 rushing yards with 16 rushing TD's.

Just need to know which Colin we are getting, but either way, I am very excited to own him in a dynasty league and for his future and of the 9ers.

Edited by zshawn, 07 April 2013 - 12:14 PM.