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[dzemens]

Its cute when players are so delusional as this...I know it only takes one team but I cant see any team willing to meet this asking price on a guy that appears to be a malcontent with issues staying on the field. Hes great when hes out there (not Megatron great though) but hes got baggage.

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According to Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole, Percy Harvin is targeting a deal in the range of Calvin Johnson's as opposed to Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson.
Harvin considers himself a "special" player and reportedly wants $16.5 annually, which would put him right behind Megatron ($18.8M average) and ahead of Larry Fitzgerald ($16.06M). Bowe and Jackson, the NFL's third and fourth highest-paid wideouts, collect $11.2M and $11.1M per year, respectively. Per Cole, Harvin "threatened to walk out on the team" last offseason after hearing the Patriots gave Aaron Hernandez a contract extension after only two NFL seasons. "[The Vikings are] in a tough spot," one source told Cole. "If you don't take some aggressive action, this could get really bad." Harvin seems 50:50 to be a Viking in 2013.

Source: Yahoo Sports
Mar 8 - 12:32 AM

[RotoRaysfan]

dzemens, on 08 March 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

Its cute when players are so delusional as this...I know it only takes one team but I cant see any team willing to meet this asking price on a guy that appears to be a malcontent with issues staying on the field. Hes great when hes out there (not Megatron great though) but hes got baggage.

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According to Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole, Percy Harvin is targeting a deal in the range of Calvin Johnson's as opposed to Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson.
Harvin considers himself a "special" player and reportedly wants $16.5 annually, which would put him right behind Megatron ($18.8M average) and ahead of Larry Fitzgerald ($16.06M). Bowe and Jackson, the NFL's third and fourth highest-paid wideouts, collect $11.2M and $11.1M per year, respectively. Per Cole, Harvin "threatened to walk out on the team" last offseason after hearing the Patriots gave Aaron Hernandez a contract extension after only two NFL seasons. "[The Vikings are] in a tough spot," one source told Cole. "If you don't take some aggressive action, this could get really bad." Harvin seems 50:50 to be a Viking in 2013.

Source: Yahoo Sports
Mar 8 - 12:32 AM

Yup, he is dreaming for sure.  

The Vikes hold all the cards, though - they have Harvin signed for 2013, and can franchise him for 2014.  And if Harvin decides to hold out, like MJD - they will hold his rights another season if he actually sits out.  So Harvin can complain all he wants, and if he wants to, he can hold out - and then the Vikes keep his rights for 2 more seasons if he actually sat out - in which case, Harvin gets $0 for 2013, and is no further along.

My bet - if the Vikes can't come to a reasonable deal with Harvin, then they will only accept a trade that gets them full value - unlike the Revis situation, the extra years of control and the relatively friendly WR franchise tag (see below) for 2014 allows them to walk away from buy-low offers from other teams.

If nothing happens on either front (extension or real-value trade offer), I'm guessing that the Vikes play out 2013, and then they hit Harvin in the 2013-14 offseason with the "non-exclusive" franchise tag that people talked about with Flacco - http://bleacherrepor...y-position.   While the top 5 WR league average is 10.5M - the tag allows the Vikes to simply pay him a 20 percent raise from his 2013 salary.  And, if a team does sign Harvin, MIN gets not one, but TWO first-round picks from that team.   This puts the Vikes in the driver's seat for bargaining even after 2013.

The beauty of the strategy - they get Harvin through 2013, and then they get him locked up for 2014 at reasonable market value  - or some crazy team ponies up more - but then has to give MIN 2 first-round picks. The Vikes certainly could deal him before 2013 - but unlike Revis, the Vikes have a lot more leverage to get full value for Harvin.   Either way, it's all PR on Harvin's camp at this stage.

[Ryan81]

My bet is that he is on a different team this offseason.

[griffin727]

Its a shame if he ends up leaving. When Harvin and Peterson are both healthy and on the field the Vikings may be the most fun team to watch.

[DocJ]

Harvin is a special player, I don't think there's a single WR in the league that is as versatile as he is and is exceptional at each role.

However....

He shouldn't be paid Tron/Fitz money simply based on his attitude let alone that he isn't as dominant as those two. Some team will probably pay him VJax/Bowe $$ though, heck the Vikes should.

[rraayy3]

I think he's a top 5 WR and should get something between Fitz/Bowe. He probably is the most versatile offensive player in the league and i would kill for the Giants to work out some kind of sign and trade deal with Cruz for Harvin.

but the only WR worth Megatron money is Megatron, and Harvin's little diva rants aren't helping.

[Rob_P]

In my humble opinion, almost every single athlete is delusional...especially WRs.  Some just hide it better...Percy is just more vocal about it.    He could easily make a case he is a top 3/4 talent at WR so he wants to get paid accordingly.....He is not Calvin...nobody is....but I would take him in a heartbeat over VJAX or Bowe.  I am not sure if he just hates the Vikings or he just hates the world but none of this is the least bit of a concern for his fantasy value.  He will be playing somewhere next year and no matter where that is, he will be a stud.  He is almost QB proof since he can run out of the backfield and excels at the short routes.  So if this gets him to drop the slightest in drafts, I will own him in every single league I am in.   Many of the greatest WRs ever had major issues....Owens, Moss, Irvin, Harrison, ect..   So the more this guy acts a fool, the more I am buying...as long as it doesn't lead to a suspension or holdout, I could careless what he demands or what he does.

[DocJ]

I think this is also about him wanting to play with a better QB, probably 90% $$, 10% crap, I have Ponder throwing it to me and I could be even better if I had an elite QB running the offense.

[italyjg21]

If the vikings won't pay him 16.5 mil, what makes you think any other team would? What if he tests the open market and gets the same offer as Vikings are willing to give him, or less. What happens then?

[StuPitt]

RotoRaysfan, on 08 March 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

dzemens, on 08 March 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

Its cute when players are so delusional as this...I know it only takes one team but I cant see any team willing to meet this asking price on a guy that appears to be a malcontent with issues staying on the field. Hes great when hes out there (not Megatron great though) but hes got baggage.

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According to Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole, Percy Harvin is targeting a deal in the range of Calvin Johnson's as opposed to Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson. Harvin considers himself a "special" player and reportedly wants $16.5 annually, which would put him right behind Megatron ($18.8M average) and ahead of Larry Fitzgerald ($16.06M). Bowe and Jackson, the NFL's third and fourth highest-paid wideouts, collect $11.2M and $11.1M per year, respectively. Per Cole, Harvin "threatened to walk out on the team" last offseason after hearing the Patriots gave Aaron Hernandez a contract extension after only two NFL seasons. "[The Vikings are] in a tough spot," one source told Cole. "If you don't take some aggressive action, this could get really bad." Harvin seems 50:50 to be a Viking in 2013. Source: Yahoo Sports Mar 8 - 12:32 AM

Yup, he is dreaming for sure.

The Vikes hold all the cards, though - they have Harvin signed for 2013, and can franchise him for 2014. And if Harvin decides to hold out, like MJD - they will hold his rights another season if he actually sits out. So Harvin can complain all he wants, and if he wants to, he can hold out - and then the Vikes keep his rights for 2 more seasons if he actually sat out - in which case, Harvin gets $0 for 2013, and is no further along. My bet - if the Vikes can't come to a reasonable deal with Harvin, then they will only accept a trade that gets them full value - unlike the Revis situation, the extra years of control and the relatively friendly WR franchise tag (see below) for 2014 allows them to walk away from buy-low offers from other teams.

If nothing happens on either front (extension or real-value trade offer), I'm guessing that the Vikes play out 2013, and then they hit Harvin in the 2013-14 offseason with the "non-exclusive" franchise tag that people talked about with Flacco - http://bleacherrepor...ery-position. While the top 5 WR league average is 10.5M - the tag allows the Vikes to simply pay him a 20 percent raise from his 2013 salary. And, if a team does sign Harvin, MIN gets not one, but TWO first-round picks from that team. This puts the Vikes in the driver's seat for bargaining even after 2013.

The beauty of the strategy - they get Harvin through 2013, and then they get him locked up for 2014 at reasonable market value - or some crazy team ponies up more - but then has to give MIN 2 first-round picks. The Vikes certainly could deal him before 2013 - but unlike Revis, the Vikes have a lot more leverage to get full value for Harvin. Either way, it's all PR on Harvin's camp at this stage.

I agree with this all.  We all talk about the malcontent aspect, but he is also injury prone.

Ryan81, on 08 March 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

My bet is that he is on a different team this offseason.

What is the incentive for the Vikings to get rid of him now?  It was reported all the Vkings could get for him is a third round.  If they hold onto him as the poster above says they can get 2 First Round Picks for him.  The Vikings hold the control here.

Also, the Vikings have ONE WR other than Harvin signed for next year (Wright).  They still need WRs.  Trading him only hurts the team.  They sign Wallace they still only have two WRs.

Also, all that talk about Harvin being an elite WR.....why is Minnesota than considered to be weak at WR.  It is debatable if he is even a #1 WR.  Seems like a complimentary WR guy to me...a great compliment but still a compliment.

If I am the Vikings I sign Wallace and hope to pair him with Harvin. The two together could be the next Randy Moss/Cris Carter. Throw in AP.  Ponder will be a better QB.  Wallace is also the insurance that keeps the Vikings safe should Harvin pull some Shennagins.

Why is Harvin so unhappy.  Chill dude....things look good for the Vikings future.

[pfresh]

Read an article about the vikings being one of the top suitors for Mike wallace since Harvin wants megatron money.

If harvin is not signed by the vikings, AP's value sky rockets big time.

Harvin took away alot of AP's value at the beginning of the year before AP exploded during Harvin's injury.

Harvin is a versatile dude. Wherever he goes, he will do some damage that's for sure.

[petekrum]

pfresh, on 08 March 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Read an article about the vikings being one of the top suitors for Mike wallace since Harvin wants megatron money.

If harvin is not signed by the vikings, AP's value sky rockets big time.

Harvin took away alot of AP's value at the beginning of the year before AP exploded during Harvin's injury.

Harvin is a versatile dude. Wherever he goes, he will do some damage that's for sure.

APs value cannot skyrocket from where it already is. I love the guy but he has had the best season he will ever have.

[rraayy3]

losing the best only receiver on the team is not making Peterson's value skyrocket.

Edited by rraayy3, 08 March 2013 - 06:02 PM.

[pfresh]

rraayy3, on 08 March 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

losing the best only receiver on the team is not making Peterson's value skyrocket.

after harvin's injury, ap's touches, yardages, and touchdowns all went up. (value skyrocketed when harvin went out)

so if harvin was not injured, ap would have still ran wild and almost beat the record for most yards in a season?

if mike wallace were to join the team, Ap's value again goes up since Harvin will not be there to steal any rushing tds and rushes (as mike wallace will not steal any rushes away from AP)

Edited by pfresh, 08 March 2013 - 07:07 PM.

[petekrum]

pfresh, on 08 March 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

rraayy3, on 08 March 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

losing the best only receiver on the team is not making Peterson's value skyrocket.

after harvin's injury, ap's touches, yardages, and touchdowns all went up. (value skyrocketed when harvin went out)

so if harvin was not injured, ap would have still ran wild and almost beat the record for most yards in a season?

if mike wallace were to join the team, Ap's value again goes up since Harvin will not be there to steal any rushing tds and rushes (as mike wallace will not steal any rushes away from AP)

No,his value will not go up. It's as high as it willever be. Do you really think he will surpass last seasons production no matter who Is or isn't there?

[rraayy3]

Peterson had more receptions per game in the games Harvin was actually active in 2012. And averaged over 20 carries per game with Harvin active.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume his production improved in the second half because his knee was progressively getting better rather than Harvin being out of the lineup. Harvin stole approximately 2 carries per game in 2012.

Not to mention losing a talent like Harvin would make the offense much less potent.

And AP is not getting any more than the ~390 touches he saw in 2012.

Edited by rraayy3, 08 March 2013 - 08:02 PM.

[fredth3cat]

The guy was in the running for "best player in the league" by a lot of people early last season -- why doesn't he deserve more money?

[StuPitt]

pfresh, on 08 March 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

rraayy3, on 08 March 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

losing the best only receiver on the team is not making Peterson's value skyrocket.

after harvin's injury, ap's touches, yardages, and touchdowns all went up. (value skyrocketed when harvin went out)

so if harvin was not injured, ap would have still ran wild and almost beat the record for most yards in a season?

if mike wallace were to join the team, Ap's value again goes up since Harvin will not be there to steal any rushing tds and rushes (as mike wallace will not steal any rushes away from AP)

I think it had more to do with AP not being 100% at the beginning of the season.  As AP's leg started feeling better he started performing.  It had nothing to do with Harvin making him worse.

[Winky]

rraayy3, on 08 March 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

I think he's a top 5 WR and should get something between Fitz/Bowe. He probably is the most versatile offensive player in the league and i would kill for the Giants to work out some kind of sign and trade deal with Cruz for Harvin.

but the only WR worth Megatron money is Megatron, and Harvin's little diva rants aren't helping.

Swap Harvin for Cruz, love that idea... I get this feeling that Cruz has already peaked.

Somehow, I feel like the 49ers could step up and offer some draft picks to the Vikings for Harvin.
He might the missing piece on offense... Davis, Crabtree, and Harvin?  Solid.

[rraayy3]

Harvin on the 9ers is not fair.