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[Vupacalypse]

With the departure of Danny Amendola it would seem a no brainer that Brian Quick stands the most to gain right? Elite size, speed, and opportunity as the apple of Bradford's eye has me salivating.

[RotoRaysfan]

Yes, but 3 points:

1.  Givens is likely going to be around (but more of the vertical threat).
2.  More importantly, Jared Cook is clearly going to be a mega-target.
3.  With the #16 & #22 pick, you have to think WR will be a target (Patterson, Allen, Hopkins, Austin, etc.)

Don't get me wrong, Quick's value just rose significantly - but #1 target?  Not quite yet...Cook #1, WR1 drafted (out of 4 above) and Quick become 2A/2B, and Givens the deep route runner.

[maxhyde]

Not sure about Quick's elite anything.  Brandon Gibson beat him out for snaps so I doubt he was all elite all over.  No way the Rams held him back if his athleticism and size is that good.  Good size and good speed and a year learning the system should put him at an advantage over everyone but Cook.  Cook will already know the offense to some extent and Fisher drafted him so he will be looked at often

Not sure any WR in this draft are going to come in to the Rams and beat out Quick.  He has had his year of learning the offense and becoming less "raw".  As long as they didn't completely whiff on Quick I would assume he and Givens will be the WR to start the season and Cook should help giving Bradford options when he drops back.
I am not sure I would be salivating but definitely should see increased time in the offense and be given every opportunity to shine.  Bradford is a good enough Qb that he will find ways to get Quick the ball if he proves he can make plays.

Edited by maxhyde, 14 March 2013 - 06:35 PM.

[Vupacalypse]

What can I say I'm a bargain hunter. If I can snag him in the 10+ rounds or for a $1 bid, I'm going to be stoked. I've seen enough that I think he will make a sizeable leap in progress. I like Cook but not as his price which I'm sure will get even higher by the time draft rolls along.

The way I see it, with a bunch of question marks in the arrow in terms of the Ram's passing attack, mostly unproven talent, Quick is sleeper of the 3 yet in my mind possesses the most upside.

[maxhyde]

depending on your cap $1 in an auction league sounds like a steal.  I would think he will be going before round 10 in most 12 team leagues but you never know.
Anyway if you are dynasty or keeper he is worth a shot for sure.  In a redraft you may have better options.

[J.T. Marlin]

Interesting though how Josh Gordon, who many would have argued was more raw than Quick, was able to come in and contribute early on in the 2012 season.  I'm not writing off Quick at all but it's not a good sign that he wasn't able contribute more as the season went on, especially after the Amendola injury.  Still a decent late round flyer or $1-3 WR for auctions.

[Deadpool]

 RotoRaysfan, on 13 March 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Yes, but 3 points:

1.  Givens is likely going to be around (but more of the vertical threat).
2.  More importantly, Jared Cook is clearly going to be a mega-target.
3.  With the #16 & #22 pick, you have to think WR will be a target (Patterson, Allen, Hopkins, Austin, etc.)

Don't get me wrong, Quick's value just rose significantly - but #1 target?  Not quite yet...Cook #1, WR1 drafted (out of 4 above) and Quick become 2A/2B, and Givens the deep route runner.

I doubt you can say they're picking a WR for sure in round 1.  They have plenty of needs.

They might be happy with Quick, Givens, and having Cook going over the middle.

[cbe_88]

If St. Louis rolls with the receiving corps they've got right now, Cook will be the no1 option. He's a sneaky TE that should find TE1 status next year.

[Blu Exile]

Givens is the Rams best pass catcher by a mile. He's not just a deep route runner either. I hope everybody thinks this about him & I steal him late in drafts.

[bs61014]

Givens was the one to benefit when Amendola was out last year.  Why do we think Quick will be the number one option rather than Givens?

Givens can stretch the field and he can run in the slot.

Please let me know if I am missing something regarding Quick.  If he does become the number one option, he is more of a draft time secret than Givens is.

[Puk3s]

The main thing Quick has going for him is that he's big and fast. 6 5 and ran a 40 in the 4.45-4.5 range. Now why that didn't yield more than 27 targets on the season I am not sure (I didn't watch the Rams much).  Probably bad hands/route running as he only managed to haul in 11 of those 27 targets. How I feel about him this year will depend a lot on news from training camp, preseason production and draft location. But the guy does have physical talent no doubting that.

[rraayy3]

this passing game is not good enough to support 3 options.

Givens flashed last year and I doubt they signed Cook to play part-time like Tennessee used him ...

[Puk3s]

There's also a chance that the split between Quick and Givens makes both of them fantasy irrelevant. Although since Givens is the slot guy he will be more suited to catch the short passes from Bradford (who hasn't show much ability to go deep).

[RotoRaysfan]

 Deadpool, on 15 March 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

 RotoRaysfan, on 13 March 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Yes, but 3 points:

1.  Givens is likely going to be around (but more of the vertical threat).
2.  More importantly, Jared Cook is clearly going to be a mega-target.
3.  With the #16 & #22 pick, you have to think WR will be a target (Patterson, Allen, Hopkins, Austin, etc.)

Don't get me wrong, Quick's value just rose significantly - but #1 target?  Not quite yet...Cook #1, WR1 drafted (out of 4 above) and Quick become 2A/2B, and Givens the deep route runner.

I doubt you can say they're picking a WR for sure in round 1.  They have plenty of needs.

They might be happy with Quick, Givens, and having Cook going over the middle.

I do agree they will likely address safety, but with Long signing at LT and Saffold moving to RT, and the top 3 tackles gone by then, I think the value will be at WR, unless one of Cooper or Warmack are somehow still there (which I really doubt).

I think we see Vaccaro or Cyprien or Elam (whichever they think is the best), and WR as their 2 picks, assuming the 2 top guards and 3 best tackles are off the board.

Back to Quick, and Givens - IIRC, Quick didn't learn the playbook, while Givens clearly caught on faster.  As such, Givens was rightfully given the PT.   I don't have a problem with anyone who thinks Givens can outplay Quick - we haven't seen enough of Quick to tell yet.  But, just as Jeff Fisher (and he clearly had strong input, not just the GM) drafted Isaiah Pead in 2012, and then was very slow to develop him, yet clearly have big plans for 2013, I suspect the same applies to Quick.

Again, I think Cook is the #1 target, and if the Rams invest a 1st-rounder, then long-term, that guy is likely the #2 - but for 2013, I think it's fair to say no one knows who the #2 target will be (I think it's more likely to be a battle between Quick and a 1st-round WR taken <especially if it's a more polished WR like Allen or Austin>).  With an improved O-line, it would seem like whoever the #2 WR has WR3/flex appeal, so worth watching. We'll certainly know more after Draft Day.

[Robrain]

Film:

[Robrain]

Just finished watching the video.  Summary: Quick still has a LOT of work to do before he's even marginally fantasy relevant, unless he takes a MASSIVE step forward this season compared to his rookie year.

[Robrain]

Also, I don't feel great projecting Quick's 2013 fantasy production.  He has to compete for targets with Cook, Givens, and now Tavon Austin.

Obviously we need to see how preseason eventually plays out, but I'd wager there's a good 75% chance that Cook has more TDs than Quick by the end of the regular season.  Only thing I think would change that would be if Cook is somehow slow to pick up the new playbook, or if there simply is a lack of chemistry between him and Bradford (think Lance Kendricks).  But I highly doubt either of those things will happen.

I think Quick could be a spot WR3 start (injury / bye weeks) in a 12-team league, but unless he shows a LOT more than he did last season, I wouldn't get my hopes up.  Might be worth a lot more in TD-heavy leagues than standard or PPR leagues, as I expect he'll get a lot of his targets around the red zone if he isn't on the field frequently if Tavon Austin and Chris Givens win out the starting WR jobs.