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Notoriously Slow StartersGood trade targets a month or two into the season?


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#1 FantasyShmantasy

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

Just wondering who are some notoriously slow starters who tend to heat up a couple of months into the season, primarily for the purposes of targeting for trade from skittish owners.

Some I've seen mentioned/know from experience are:

Max Scherzer
Aramis Ramirez

Who else is there?
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:06 PM

Teixiera would be an obvious one. It'll be interesting to see if he struggles once he gets back, that would be catastrophic if he struggled.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:07 PM

laroche?
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

View Postfg-emir, on 30 March 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

laroche?

That would be nice, but I've heard he's just streaky as hell.  I think he got off to a pretty fast start last year anyway.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

White Sox batters (all of them)
King Felix

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

Jimmy Rollins
Aramis Ramirez is the main one, like clockwork.

As noted Laroche is just incredibly streaky, prior to last year though he would always suck out of the gate.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:12 PM

View PostFML, on 30 March 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

White Sox batters (all of them)
King Felix

For real? I've never really seen him as a slow starter, and I've owned him the last two years.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

A lot of these guys just don't like to hit in the cold weather.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:15 PM

View PostFantasyShmantasy, on 30 March 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

View Postfg-emir, on 30 March 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

laroche?

That would be nice, but I've heard he's just streaky as hell.  I think he got off to a pretty fast start last year anyway.

yeah he started hot last season, but has generally been a slow starter. That's the thing, any of these guys could start super hot, you just never know. Just because it's happened 3 years in a row, doesn't always make it a trend.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:15 PM

Aramis Ramirez.  The guy is terrible in April and early May.  But rakes hard mid May on.  Plus on top of that he is so under rated.  Aramis is quietly putting together a fringe hall of fame career.

He's clearly a better hitter than Ron Santo who recently got inducted.  Actually right now Aramis has the exact same amount of HRs as Santo 342.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:15 PM

I should revise The Felix entry. He starts off good, gets hammer VERY hard in May before putting it into cruise control. 4 or 5 bad starts in a row is enough to get Felix on the cheap from someone not use to owning him.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostZumayaaaa, on 30 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

A lot of these guys just don't like to hit in the cold weather.

A lot of islanders (Dominicans, Cubans, etc.) struggle with colder temperatures.  As they are used to hot tropical climates.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostFML, on 30 March 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

I should revise The Felix entry. He starts off good, gets hammer VERY hard in May before putting it into cruise control. 4 or 5 bad starts in a row is enough to get Felix on the cheap from someone not use to owning him.

Ah alright I see, now thinking about it, I do remember a few starts in a row where he got shelled the last few seasons, but I didn't get too frustrated, dealing with the King and all..
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:40 PM

Actually Konerko is the opposite from all the Sox, I see him more as a 1st half player and sell at the break.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:04 PM

View PostFouLLine, on 30 March 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

View PostZumayaaaa, on 30 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

A lot of these guys just don't like to hit in the cold weather.

A lot of islanders (Dominicans, Cubans, etc.) struggle with colder temperatures.  As they are used to hot tropical climates.

Let's be honest, nobody enjoys playing in cold weather. I've lived in NY my whole life and hate playing ball in April.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:08 PM

View PostCocoaButter, on 30 March 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

View PostFouLLine, on 30 March 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

View PostZumayaaaa, on 30 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

A lot of these guys just don't like to hit in the cold weather.

A lot of islanders (Dominicans, Cubans, etc.) struggle with colder temperatures.  As they are used to hot tropical climates.

Let's be honest, nobody enjoys playing in cold weather. I've lived in NY my whole life and hate playing ball in April.

Yeah nobody enjoys it, some just handle it better.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:23 PM

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:34 PM

Season split trends are mostly poor predictors of future results for individuals and instead a result of small sample size. It's a well-known fact that batters fare better as temperatures rise. That being said, you can find players that are in areas that are atypically cold and try to take advantage of this. Last year, the west coast (particularly Seattle) was unseasonably cold to start the season, and run production was reduced as a result. The Upper Midwest is still pretty cold right now and is supposed to remain unseasonably cold well into April, so I'd imagine that outdoor stadiums like those in Chicago and Detroit are going to be rather unfriendly to run production for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if guys on those teams start a little slower than guys on other teams.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:00 PM

I've owned Verlander a few years, and he has gotten off to some surprisingly rough or at least mediocre starts in April. It's well-known that he's a Top 3 pitcher, so I doubt any of his owners will panic, but you never know.
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