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Mark Ingram 2013 Season Outlook


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#1 pikerbkb

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:48 PM

So now that Ivory is gone will Ingram emerge as a startable RB2? Or will Travis Cadet crash Ingram's coming out party?
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:24 AM

Don't know, don't really care. I wouldn't touch either to be honest.

The only back I would ever plan on owning from this team is Darren Sproles.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:29 AM

I'm interested to hear some takes on Ingram's season outlook, but the departure of Ivory has a negligible effect on that, IMO. Ivory wasn't holding Ingram back. The guy only played 6 games last year, totaling 40 carries.

If NO decides to make Ingram a bellcow 1st and 2nd down back, then he'll have some value. From week 10-16 he averaged 13 carries a game and was RB21 during that stretch. Given that he did score 4 TDs in that 7 game stretch, I'd have hoped he'd do better than low-end RB2, but I guess that's how it goes when you barely crack 4 ypc and don't catch passes.

His ADP is in the low 30's at his position, so I feel like he's a safe pick there - you should easily get your money's worth out of that pick, and there's always the chance that he puts his game together and/or the Saints get more dedicated to the ground game. 13 carries a game would be a bit over 200 carries on the year. Not bad for your RB3. If he can start averaging 4.5 ypc or they bump those carries up to 16, then he could crack your starting lineup. Touchdowns fluctuate like crazy, so he could net you 6 or he could luck into 12.

So I think he's a great gamble at his current ADP. I'd rather have him than Daryl Richardson, LeShoure, Andre Brown, Vereen, FJax, or Quiz. Ingram is a classic value pick - his realistic floor is equal to or greater than his ADP and he's got some pretty decent upside.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:45 AM

Is Pierre Thomas not in the mix?
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:45 AM

View PostFFninja, on 03 May 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

I'm interested to hear some takes on Ingram's season outlook, but the departure of Ivory has a negligible effect on that, IMO. Ivory wasn't holding Ingram back. The guy only played 6 games last year, totaling 40 carries.

If NO decides to make Ingram a bellcow 1st and 2nd down back, then he'll have some value. From week 10-16 he averaged 13 carries a game and was RB21 during that stretch. Given that he did score 4 TDs in that 7 game stretch, I'd have hoped he'd do better than low-end RB2, but I guess that's how it goes when you barely crack 4 ypc and don't catch passes.

His ADP is in the low 30's at his position, so I feel like he's a safe pick there - you should easily get your money's worth out of that pick, and there's always the chance that he puts his game together and/or the Saints get more dedicated to the ground game. 13 carries a game would be a bit over 200 carries on the year. Not bad for your RB3. If he can start averaging 4.5 ypc or they bump those carries up to 16, then he could crack your starting lineup. Touchdowns fluctuate like crazy, so he could net you 6 or he could luck into 12.

So I think he's a great gamble at his current ADP. I'd rather have him than Daryl Richardson, LeShoure, Andre Brown, Vereen, FJax, or Quiz. Ingram is a classic value pick - his realistic floor is equal to or greater than his ADP and he's got some pretty decent upside.

Nice post.  I'll also add that the Saints 2012 defense was historically bad and the team was playing from behind a lot.  When the game isn't close or the Saints don't have the lead, Ingram is not going to see the field much.  You also have Sean Payton saying multiple times this offseason that the Saints need to be committed to and better establish their running game.  These comments plus the assumption that the defense has to be better gives me hope for a surprisingly good year out of Ingram.  Let's also not forget that he's still only 23, entering his 3rd year in the league.  Some RB take 1 or 2 seasons to get fully acclimated to the NFL and then they break-out.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:26 PM

View PostRyan81, on 03 May 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Is Pierre Thomas not in the mix?

He is when they want him to be. I always seem to end up with PT on my teams as a late round pick. The guy is an injury away from being very fantasy relevant.

I'm wondering if this is the year Payton finally gets fed up with Ingrams mediocrity and gives PT 200+ carries.

I think the point is that until this RBBC skews heavily one way towards someone for carries (Sproles will always be serviceable) Ingram is 9-10th round bound.

Edited by DocJ, 03 May 2013 - 03:29 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:13 PM

I always liked PT and Ivory. I think if they both had 300 touches a year, they would be pretty successful.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

Plod Squad.

DND since I wasted a pick on him in his overhyped rookie year.

When will the Saints ever need a 1st and 2nd down bunch-backed bellhorse manbeast?

Maybe when Brees retires and they are rebuilding from step 1.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:04 PM

Unrosterable in 10-team league.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

View PostOTB, on 06 May 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

Unrosterable in 10-team league.

Well, no one should play in a 10 team league, but even if you do, he IS rosterable if you have a bench, as he'll likely finish at least as a top 40 RB.

View PostProteus, on 03 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

DND since I wasted a pick on him in his overhyped rookie year.

I love it when I see people use this logic. They make for great league-mates.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:39 PM

im starting to think Pierre Thomas will provide much more value in the 14th round.  He's got a much better career ypc average than Ingram.  How can we guarantee Ingram inherits Chris Ivory's carries?

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostRMJ_12, on 26 May 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

im starting to think Pierre Thomas will provide much more value in the 14th round.  He's got a much better career ypc average than Ingram.  How can we guarantee Ingram inherits Chris Ivory's carries?

What Chris Ivory carries were there to Inherit?

Edited by HashtagHeel, 26 May 2013 - 08:54 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostFFninja, on 07 May 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

View PostOTB, on 06 May 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

Unrosterable in 10-team league.

Well, no one should play in a 10 team league, but even if you do, he IS rosterable if you have a bench, as he'll likely finish at least as a top 40 RB.

View PostProteus, on 03 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

DND since I wasted a pick on him in his overhyped rookie year.

I love it when I see people use this logic. They make for great league-mates.

No he deserves to know that I'm unhappy with his performance and that'll show him too. I wish I was in your non 10 team league broseph lol. I bet it's a barrel of laughs.
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:14 PM

View PostHashtagHeel, on 26 May 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostRMJ_12, on 26 May 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

im starting to think Pierre Thomas will provide much more value in the 14th round.  He's got a much better career ypc average than Ingram.  How can we guarantee Ingram inherits Chris Ivory's carries?

What Chris Ivory carries were there to Inherit?
137 in 2010.  79 in 2011.  40 in 2012 because of injury.  if there isn't any than why is everyone so high on Ingram in the first place?  career 3.9 ypc average?  thomas has been over 4.5 ypc every season except one injury filled one

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:38 PM

Well there goes my hopes of PT taking on more of a #1 role.

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Saints coach Sean Payton said Thursday he expects Mark Ingram to "be a big part of what we do running the football" in 2013.
During his year away on a BountyGate suspension, Payton was discouraged by the Saints' lack of commitment to the running game. He's vowed to change that, which makes Ingram a somewhat interesting mid-round fantasy pick. "I know he is anxious, ... healthy, and probably I would say going into his third year as healthy and as good of shape as he has been," Payton said of Ingram. Ingram's fantasy outlook is also helped by the departure of Chris Ivory.


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

Fool me once...

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 03:56 PM

Yea I wouldn't expect any different than a 50/50 split between PT and Ingram. So I don't see either as being a great fantasy option.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:04 PM

Every time I see Pierre Thomas play he seems to be doing positive things with the ball, I don't understand the Saints emphasis on Ingram.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:52 AM

Seems to be turning heads in camp so far...may be distancing himself from PT according to latest RW blurb:



The New Orleans Times-Picayune believes Mark Ingram's "fantasy football stock is about to rise."

Beat writer Mike Triplett expects Ingram to "turn heads" in Friday's preseason opener if he "looks anywhere near as impressive" as he has throughout camp. Colleague Jeff Duncan calls Ingram the most impressive player in Saints camp, and believes he's "primed for a breakout season." Pierre Thomas (undisclosed) isn't expected to play Friday. Thomas opened camp ahead of Ingram on the depth chart, but all signs suggest the pendulum has swung back in Ingram's favor.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:07 AM

Exclusively bench depth for both Ingram and Thomas. Which one wins out? Neither. They will continue to split carries; 60/40 best for either back. Sproules is the only NO back to own; and that is as a flex option in PPR leagues; preferably with scoring for returner TD and/or yards. Officially; I'm in Thomas's camp between him and ingram; but likely won't draft either.
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