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#921 Slatykamora

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 03:59 PM

 

 

 

I've always thought Bryant was Troy Glaus. When you adjust for era and offensive context that's a pretty damn good player.

If Russell is Larkin 2.0 then yes, he's better than Bryant. I'm not willing to say he's Larkin yet though.

 

Russell has more power than Larkin but less speed.

 

Bryant has a better hit tool than Glaus. 

 

What makes you say that. Curious for your rational...and if you say Milb Batting average. I'm going to ignore you for giving me a lack of depth response. As that is just too cookie cutter. <LOL WTF???> Glaus was in the minors only 1 year and he started out in AA.. Wanna he some solid reasoning for say that.

 

 

 

Yes MiLB batting average is a huge part of it.  No not because it's higher than Glaus' or anything to do with what Glaus did in the minors.  But what Bryant's resume projected into the bigs to me says he will hit for a much higher average than Glaus. I've seen Bryant a lot of him and he is legit.  He is breaking into the league with as much opposite field power as anyone in the game!  

 

From low A ball and beyond as a 21 and 22 year old Bryant has gone 202 / 614 for a batting average of .329, I'm sorry but it would be foolish to project a player with that type of resume to hit less than .254 (Glaus' career average).

 

You also want to compare their college careers? Well consider that Bryant matched Glaus in a far more competitive environment against far better pitching on average and he used a BBCOR bat.  Please look up what a BBCOR bat is.  No better yet, go buy a non BBCOR & a BBCOR bat same length and weight and take BP.  You will instantly be able to tell the difference.

 

 

Yeah Bryant K's a lot, but that's because he drives the ball like a maniac.  Much like my man Paul Goldschmidt another guy I was all over well before he got any mainstream hype.

 

Danny Santana hit .319 with a 22.8% K%.

Jose Abreu hit .317 with a 21.1% K%.

J.D. Martinez hit .315 with a 26.3% K%.

Corey Dickerson hit .312 with a 21.1% K%

Paul Goldschmidt hit .300 with a 23% K%.

 

So while I do expect Bryant to K at a higher frequency than these guys breaking into the big leagues, we are talking 5 young players with higher than normal K rates all who hit over .300 last season.  I don't expect Bryant to hit .300 as a rookie but I could see .280+ even with a 25% - 26% K rate as a rookie.

 

 

So what makes you say differently?  You're the one contesting my assessment, so instead of putting me on trial why don't you say why you think the other way?

 

Also if you have a main point to make, and you use that in your argument I'm going to ignore you for being cookie cutter.  Makes me sound like a total brat to say something so ignorant, doesn't it?

 

No need to get defensive dude, you a reading into my post all wrong

 

I was looking for an honest assessment. I though you knew something about his swing/approach that you could share with use that made you believe that was the case. Was looking for information from a poster (yourself) that has shown in the past to break things down beyond the surface stats.

 

I think just saying Milb BA by himself is lazy. Since it was just 1 year of Glaus Milb numbers to compare and we are talking about projecting a career.  Sure hitters have some control of BABIP..I don't deny that..but in the majors BA can fluctuates a lot from year to year..and I just take Milb BA with a grain of salt. I was looking for you to explain WHY he was having higher BABIPs and is his skill set actually going to translate, or is just being fluffed by inferior pitching and defense?

 

The Common comp as been Glaus, you made a statement that was different (I.E. he had a better hit tool) I wanted to know why. It was a bit caddy on my part to call Milb BA lazy..but that is my opinion and I was hoping you saw something I wasn't seeing. 


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 04:07 PM

Im just throwing it out there. If he puts up Glaus' steroid numbers not on steroids, I'll be very happy.  Glaus only gets a bad rub because his prime wasn't long and he was lost in the shuffle of the most roided up era ever.


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:05 PM

I say he will put up Jeromy Bernitz numbers.
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Posted 06 January 2015 - 11:11 PM

I say he will put up Jeromy Bernitz numbers.

 

112 career OPS+ with 315 HR and a career WAR of 20 was pretty solid.  Burnitz would have easily hit 400 career HR if he had gotten a full-time gig at age 23 or 24 rather than only at age 28.

 

In fact, Burnitz and Glaus have extremely similar career offensive numbers.  Glaus was better because of his positional value.

 

If the Cubs can get that out of a 3B, they should be at least modestly pleased.  I think Bryant has a bit more raw power, but still, Burnitz is a solid low-end comp.


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 11:27 PM

I say he will put up Jeromy Bernitz numbers.

 
112 career OPS+ with 315 HR and a career WAR of 20 was pretty solid.  Burnitz would have easily hit 400 career HR if he had gotten a full-time gig at age 23 or 24 rather than only at age 28.
 
In fact, Burnitz and Glaus have extremely similar career offensive numbers.  Glaus was better because of his positional value.
 
If the Cubs can get that out of a 3B, they should be at least modestly pleased.  I think Bryant has a bit more raw power, but still, Burnitz is a solid low-end comp.

Yeah I picked him because per baseball-reference.com he was the number comp to Glaus. :) I was throwing another name out there.
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Posted 07 January 2015 - 03:38 AM

I say he will put up Jeromy Bernitz numbers.

 
112 career OPS+ with 315 HR and a career WAR of 20 was pretty solid.  Burnitz would have easily hit 400 career HR if he had gotten a full-time gig at age 23 or 24 rather than only at age 28.
 
In fact, Burnitz and Glaus have extremely similar career offensive numbers.  Glaus was better because of his positional value.
 
If the Cubs can get that out of a 3B, they should be at least modestly pleased.  I think Bryant has a bit more raw power, but still, Burnitz is a solid low-end comp.
Yeah I picked him because per baseball-reference.com he was the number comp to Glaus. :) I was throwing another name out there.

I had no idea that BR had Glaus as a numbers comp for Bryant. My comp was based on watching them both in college a bit.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:29 PM

We all remember last summer's anticipation for him to be called up, which never ended up happening. The good news is he's 23 years old, arguably the first or second top prospect, and is part of a shallow Cubs team as of right now to nab that starting 3B spot by opening day.

 

Here were his insane stats from his season last year in the minors between AA and AAA:

.325 AVG, 43 HR, 110 RBI, 118 R, 15 SB, 1.098 OPS, with 162 K in 138 games

 

What should people expect in his first season in the bigs?

 

I don't think it would be quite outlandish to say he makes the opening day roster and post numbers like .285, 30 HR, 80 RBI, 70 R, 10 SB, .900 OPS, but probably with 175 K. He should immediately enter the rookie of the year conversation, and if he does have a good year this year, I would expect great things for the 2nd overall draft pick. 

 

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:48 PM

I hope he makes the opening day roster or at least gets called up after a quick 3 - 4 week stint in the minors.  But we'll see what happens there.  

 

He has to be the favorite for NL Rookie of The Year.  By a wide margin too.

 

Let's see if the mods allow this thread to even stay.  As technically Bryant is a minor leaguer right now.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:06 PM

The powers totally legit but with that K rate theres no way he produces a decent average right off the bat. Something like .250 would be expected id say. But remember rookies are rookies and therefore meant to struggle initially at the big league level. Predicting 30 homers is bonkers, rookies just dont manage that noawadays. Over 20 bombs would be a solid rookie season.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:35 PM

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:53 PM

The powers totally legit but with that K rate theres no way he produces a decent average right off the bat. Something like .250 would be expected id say. But remember rookies are rookies and therefore meant to struggle initially at the big league level. Predicting 30 homers is bonkers, rookies just dont manage that noawadays. Over 20 bombs would be a solid rookie season.

 

this, exactly.

That ML K rate was insane.   



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 05:46 PM

The powers totally legit but with that K rate theres no way he produces a decent average right off the bat. Something like .250 would be expected id say. But remember rookies are rookies and therefore meant to struggle initially at the big league level. Predicting 30 homers is bonkers, rookies just dont manage that noawadays. Over 20 bombs would be a solid rookie season.

 

Between him a Baez the Cubs could have 400K's in that lineup



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 07:49 PM

Shouldn't this be in the MILB section?


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 08:06 PM

A good read on Bryant from today.

 

http://bleacherrepor...-phenom-in-2015

 

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 08:09 PM

I'm sure the mods will move this.

 

Saw this today, a good read on Bryant.

 

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 12:12 AM

A good read on Bryant from today.

 

http://bleacherrepor...-phenom-in-2015

 

I'm buying.

 

They really did list BABIP as one of his 4 core skills. Gotta love the Bleacher Report...


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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:43 PM

Does anyone have insight into his SB prowess? He had 15 steals in 138 minor league games. Everyone wants to talk about the power and contact rate, but those are much harder to predict than how fast he is. Also not sure on how Maddon's philosophy has been with young guys stealing bases early. If he is going to be Goldschmidt like in stealing his 10-15 bases each year, that adds a decent amount of value.

 

A .260/30 line starts to become really attractive when its .260/30/15.


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:13 PM

by Michael Hurcomb | CBSSports.com
(01/19/15) Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer said Monday the trade of third baseman Luis Valbuena to Houston and third-base prospect Kris Bryant's roster situation are "totally independent" of each other.

 

Hoyer added Mike OltTommy La Stella and Arismendy Alcantara could play at third base until Chicago feels Bryant is ready for the majors.

 

"We are not going to speed up that clock," Hoyer said, per ESPN.


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