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2013 Handcuff ThreadSeeing more handcuffs than Aaron Hernandez


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#1 GottaGetTheWin

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

Let's talk handcuffs.  First, do you believe in making sure your RBs are protected?  We know the more obvious handcuffs like Tate to Foster, Pierce to Rice, Brown to McCoy but who are some not so obvious ones.  Who should owners make sure to grab.  Doesn't necessarily have to be RB either.  I think its imperative for Nicks owners to grab Randle.

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 03:42 PM

I'm keeping Ridley and I'm making damn sure I grab Vereen.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 05:28 PM

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 07:14 PM

View PostGottaGetTheWin, on 04 July 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Let's talk handcuffs.  First, do you believe in making sure your RBs are protected?  We know the more obvious handcuffs like Tate to Foster, Pierce to Rice, Brown to McCoy but who are some not so obvious ones.  Who should owners make sure to grab.  Doesn't necessarily have to be RB either.  I think its imperative for Nicks owners to grab Randle.

I understand the thought, but why waste a pick on someone that I've rarely seen drafted in 10-12 team formats. You're better off grabbing someone in the last few rounds like a Michael Floyd or Ryan Broyles that MIGHT produce well even though they are on the bench.  Plus you'd always have the shot at picking up Randle IF Nicks goes down, IMO.

But more to the thread point, I like Bryce Brown in Chip Kelly's offense regardless of whether McCoy gets hurt. Kelly likes to be up tempo and use multiple RBs. I like Vick Ballard backing up the oft injured Bradshaw.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 07:35 PM

I'd say Mike Goodson to Ivory, Andre Brown to Wilson, Michael Bush to Forte and Bell to Reggie Bush.

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 07:44 PM

I don't necessarily have to have a handcuff to my guy, but I really like drafting handcuffs in the mid-to-late rounds, because there are always a bunch that have to get starts by the time the bye weeks run around.

I'm biased as a Cowboys fan, but I like Joseph Randle as a handcuff.  The reason why is, Demarco Murray is being drafted in the RB18-RB20 range almost solely because he always misses games.  If the consensus was that Murray would play 16 games, he'd probably be taken 5 spots higher or so.  So if "we" assume Murray is going to miss games, why wouldn't his handcuff be drafted higher than RB53?

I don't think Tanner is a threat to Randle.  I believe Randle is the clear #2 in Dallas.  I'd probably take Randle in the mid-RB40s range.

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 08:17 PM

View PostJHM_13, on 04 July 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:


I understand the thought, but why waste a pick on someone that I've rarely seen drafted in 10-12 team formats. You're better off grabbing someone in the last few rounds like a Michael Floyd or Ryan Broyles that MIGHT produce well even though they are on the bench.  Plus you'd always have the shot at picking up Randle IF Nicks goes down, IMO.


I would argue that right now is the perfect time to get him.  Being that he is going so late in drafts I don't see any reason for a Nicks owner to not use a last round pick or a second to last round pick on randle and stash him.  This is where you get him cheap.  If you wait and Nicks gets hurt you better hope you are #1 on the WW or be prepared to spend a ton of FAAB.  Now is the time to grab him cheap.  

While this is a more extreme example because I'm convinced AP is made of solid steel I would also advocate stashing Toby Gerhart on your bench in deeper leagues.  Chances are AP doesn't get hurt but in the event he does there is no competition for Gerhart touches and you watch his stock fly sky high.   That's only for deeper leagues or 12 teamers with a TON of BN spots.

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 08:27 PM

I said this over in the Lynch thread, but if/when Christine Michael gets his chance, you will want to be the one rostering him in your league.  I know a lot of people expect Turbin to retain backup duties but just wait till this guy gets his chance to show what he's working with in the preseason.  I fully expect Michael to overtake Turbin as Lynch's backup.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 06:42 AM

I know I say this a lot but I can't see Turbin being overtaken as the clear cut back up this year. I think people tend to underestimate his talent.

From all indications their zone blocking scheme isn't an easy system to jump straight into and Turbin has a year on the competition in getting a feel for the offense. Reports from the OTAs have said that he looks a lot more at home in the system and looks like a player transformed. Even their running back coach has said the only way Michael gets a heavy load is if Lynch and Turbin get hurt.They like what they saw in him last year.

I'm not saying Christine Michael isn't the future of the Seahawks run game because the guy is crazy talented, but franchises like the Seahawks don't draft for the present, that's why they draft so well. For a team with the unique window they have of a talented Quarterback at rookie wages, if Lynch goes down I can't see them rushing someone into the job over a more experinced guy who has proven he can be effective in the system.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 07:21 AM

Pete Carrol plays talent.  Wilson playing over Flynn when they paid him speaks to that.  Michael might have the most raw talent of all the RB's on their roster, Lynch included.  Talent rises, Michael will overtake Turbin.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 07:42 AM

Pete Carrol also rewards the guys that perform for him on the field. That's why Kam Chancellor got a big pay day despite being an arguably replaceable part of their defense. They look after those who play well and earn their starts

Michael hasn't played an NFL down. No one knows how he will transition to the NFL. Turbin earned the job, I think it's an even competition, but its his to lose.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:12 AM

This will be one of the biggest training camp/preseason battles to watch.  I just know what I saw when watching the combine.  Michael's athletic ability is through the atmosphere.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 08:36 AM

I like LeShoure as a handcuff for Bush in DET and Shane Vereen seems like a must-own with all the questions in NE. Giovani Bernard, if he is considered a handcuff, has been going high than BenJarvus in most of the drafts I've seen. Vick Ballard seems like a smart handcuff too even though Bradshaw plays through most of his injuries.
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:54 AM

I think Bell is more of a cuff for Bush than LeShoure is.  Hell I'm shocked Bush was even signed seeing how Bell was top 5 for RB receptions last year (52) with 9.2 ypr (up there with guys like Sproles & Martin) and had 5.0 ypc when handed the ball on top of spending literally the entire off season at the Lion's facility.   *shrug*

Don't forget about L.Murray & J.Forsett as high upside 'cuffs.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:03 PM

View PostGottaGetTheWin, on 04 July 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostJHM_13, on 04 July 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

I understand the thought, but why waste a pick on someone that I've rarely seen drafted in 10-12 team formats.

I would argue that right now is the perfect time to get him.  Being that he is going so late in drafts I don't see any reason for a Nicks owner to not use a last round pick or a second to last round pick on randle and stash him.

ADP is 13.09, normally handcuffing WR doesn't make a ton of sense but in this case it most certainly does.
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:06 PM

Im not a big fan of the handcuff strategy, its kinda like getting insurance on your blackjack.  I would rather draft handcuffs from other RB's and hope they get hurt and my guys fall into a job.  Whats interesting in an auction is when you call handcuffs out first, before the starter has been called.  Handcuffs also seem to vary in our league value and price in auction wise, I know two years ago it was crazy expensive, I was getting low level starters close to what guys were paying for cuffs, last year it was pretty much the opposite, I got a bunch of  cuffs for $1-2 each: Torrain, Pierce, Ballard and Felix Jones.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:50 AM

View PostAlfonz289, on 05 July 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Pete Carrol plays talent.  Wilson playing over Flynn when they paid him speaks to that.  Michael might have the most raw talent of all the RB's on their roster, Lynch included.  Talent rises, Michael will overtake Turbin.

It's not all about talent at RB.  David Wilson was the most talented runner for NYG last year but never sniffed being the man.  

You have to be able to pass protect, period.  Teams are not going to let their Franchise QB's get trucked because some rook is in there and whiffs on his assignment.  You could have Usain Bolt back there and it wouldn't matter.  Also -- Fumbling.  Put it on the turf as a rook and your a** is hitting the pine.  

That said, I have no idea about the blocking abilities of Michael.  Just that most often, it takes a little time for young guys to pick up on everything in the NFL as their responsibilties triple.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 03:27 PM

Been doing a few Yahoo Mocks. I've had some success picking up my RB's handcuffs but I've also had success picking up RB starters as my RB3/RB4.

Any thoughts on my RB decisions?

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:26 PM

What if you're lucky enough to grab another RB Starter as your RB3 and/or RB4? I've done a lot of mocks on Yahoo and I've noticed some RB Starters going in the 5th/6th rounds like Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Le'Veon Bell & Eddie Lacy. I'm sure some of these guys will outperform some handcuffs (if they were promoted to Starter) this season. WR's are pretty deep, so why not take a chance with this approach.

Any thoughts?

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:41 PM

It's a no brainer to take Lamar Miller, David Wilson, LeVeon Bell as your RB3 if they're there.

Handcuffs are typically available much later than when you take your RB3.




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