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Ppr vs non ppr


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#1 Curlin

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 01:51 PM

Never been in a ppr league.  Quite frankly I don't get it.  I just don't understand giving a guy a point for simply catching a pass.  Am I missing something?  Is there more to it?   Those that have done both, which one do you like better and why?

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:04 PM

PPR helps to normalize WR/TEs values closer to RBs and make WR/TEs viable flex starters over RBs. Without PPR, high reception guys that dont get many TDs aren't as valuable.

Personally I like 0.5 PPR the best. Another approach is scale your PPR, so for example 0.5 for RBs, 1 for WRs, 1.5 for TEs.
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QB Colin Kaepernick, Terrelle Pryor
RB Doug Martin, Demarco Murray, Eddie Lacy, Le'Veon Bell
WR   Demaryius Thomas, Steve Smith, Josh Gordon, Mike Williams (TB)
TE Jared Cook, Jordan Cameron
DST  Chiefs
K    Garrett Hartley

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:10 PM

In a standard size league, it makes things too easy. Far too many players become relevant. I don't mind it in a very deep league, though, or a league with extra flex spots. But even in that case, I'd prefer 0.5 to a full PPR

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:15 PM

I've played in PPR leagues before and it's fun. PPCarry is the one I don't get...I mean if you're gonna have PPC why not have PPPassAttempt or PPPlayingTime or PPIWokeUpThisMorningAndDressedMyself but to each it's own...

Edited by jstep13, 30 July 2013 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:17 PM

I like non-ppr.  I think points should be awarded based on how a play affects a game.  A 10 yard run play and a 10 yard pass play moves the chains the exact same way.

Games are affected by yardage and scoring, not by simply a completed pass.

I have played my first ppr league last year.   It changes the way you select RBs and WRs.   WRs increase in value because they start to rival running backs in point potential.

Glad OP posed the question, because I often wonder what people thought about it.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:53 PM

I didn't want to hi-jack the Vereen Thread so I jumped on the ledge knowing I will be thrown overboard.  However it's been discussed over and over...and I get it. People like points...just like the NFL. They'll change the rules to see the scoreboard explode! :D

I myself love the good ol' grind it out standard settings! I know we'll never agree but I'm willing to engage over here.

Love Live The Traditionalists!

Edited by BBOY, 31 October 2013 - 12:54 PM.

10 Team Standard non-ppr QB, WR,WR,WR,RB,RB,TE,WRT,K,DEF 7 Bench slots No IR

QB: Matthew Stafford
WR: Dez Bryant
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Josh Gordon
RB: Marshawn Lynch
RB: Steven Jackson
TE: Rob Gronkowski
WRT: Shane Vereen
K:   Justin Tucker
DEF: Kansas City Defense
BN RB: Rashard Jennings, Bobby Rainey, Donald Brown, D Woodhead, R Helu, W McGahee, R Mendenhall B Jacobs
BN WR: Keenan Allen, Percy Harvin, Boykin, Kenbrell Thompkins, Marques Colston, J Edelman
BN TE: Jared Cook, Martellius Bennet,  Coby Fleener,
BN QB:Nick Foles
BN DEF: -----

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:55 PM

PPR is a joke.
10 team league:  (std scoring/flex)

QB Newton, Wilson
RB McCoy, McFadden, Sproles, Stacy, Ellington, Ball, Cunningham, Johnson
WR AJGreen, Marshall, TSmith, Patterson
TE Olsen, Walker
K Succop
D Bills

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:55 PM

Have done them all and 0.5 PPR is by far my favorite format.  Fair enough so that it doesn't give any big advantage to RBs or WRs but gives you an edge if you seek out the more favorable players.
12 team 5x5 H2H League

C - Lucroy
1st - V-Mart
2nd - Kipnis
SS - Castro
3rd - Aramis
OF - Trout, Choo, Bautisa
UTIL - Pujols, Panda, Lind
BENCH - Mesoraco, R. Davis, Taveras

SP - Anibal, Shields, Iwakumi, Cashner, Samardzija, E. Santana, Masterson, Hudson, McHugh
RP - Soria, Doolittle, Casilla, McGee

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:56 PM

View PostBBOY, on 31 October 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I didn't want to hi-jack the Vereen Thread so I jumped on the ledge knowing I will be thrown overboard.  However it's been discussed over and over...and I get it. People like points...just like the NFL. They'll change the rules to see the scoreboard explode! :D

I myself love the good ol' grind it out standard settings! I know we'll never agree but I'm willing to engage over here.

Love Live The Traditionalists!

That is great, now can you elaborate on why standard is superior? you can't just start a thread without giving your reasons...
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:57 PM

View Postdjbigf, on 31 October 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

PPR is a joke.

spot-on analysis. Why don't you tell us why so we can have some meaningful discussion? I think PPR levels the playing field between receivers and running backs. In my experience, .5 PPR seems to be the best balance.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:08 PM

I would rather be rewarded for what the player does with that catch

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:08 PM

Giving a player a point per reception (or 0.5) also gives more value to players more involved in the gameplan. If a guy catches 13 passes, he's done a good job and been a high-value target. He should be rewarded for getting open and moving the offense.

I prefer PPR.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:09 PM

View PostTheGreatUnwashed, on 31 October 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostBBOY, on 31 October 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I didn't want to hi-jack the Vereen Thread so I jumped on the ledge knowing I will be thrown overboard.  However it's been discussed over and over...and I get it. People like points...just like the NFL. They'll change the rules to see the scoreboard explode! :D

I myself love the good ol' grind it out standard settings! I know we'll never agree but I'm willing to engage over here.

Love Live The Traditionalists!

That is great, now can you elaborate on why standard is superior? you can't just start a thread without giving your reasons...
Granted. The reasons are so numerous. In a nutshell...standard does a much better job of capturing a players value in the game. It's not as much why I prefer standard, as it is the standard, it's about how ppr changes the value of ordinary players based on catches.

It makes about as much sense to me as awarding points to RB's for their carries or Qb's for their completions. Most ppr leagues do not account for all of these variances and if they did they would still get the math skewed as far as actual value goes.

It's much better to keep it yardage based and TD based in my opinion. You win Football with actual points being scored. Yardage and scores account for that. Carries, Catches and Completions for no gain does not.

Edited by BBOY, 31 October 2013 - 01:13 PM.

10 Team Standard non-ppr QB, WR,WR,WR,RB,RB,TE,WRT,K,DEF 7 Bench slots No IR

QB: Matthew Stafford
WR: Dez Bryant
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Josh Gordon
RB: Marshawn Lynch
RB: Steven Jackson
TE: Rob Gronkowski
WRT: Shane Vereen
K:   Justin Tucker
DEF: Kansas City Defense
BN RB: Rashard Jennings, Bobby Rainey, Donald Brown, D Woodhead, R Helu, W McGahee, R Mendenhall B Jacobs
BN WR: Keenan Allen, Percy Harvin, Boykin, Kenbrell Thompkins, Marques Colston, J Edelman
BN TE: Jared Cook, Martellius Bennet,  Coby Fleener,
BN QB:Nick Foles
BN DEF: -----

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:16 PM

View Postdjbigf, on 31 October 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

PPR is a joke.
1 catch 80 yards= 8 pts standard
5 catches 80 yards= 8 pts standard

And ppr is the joke?

Personally I find standard boring.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:17 PM

The worst format? TD only.  Played it once and wanted to kill someone each week...
12 team 5x5 H2H League

C - Lucroy
1st - V-Mart
2nd - Kipnis
SS - Castro
3rd - Aramis
OF - Trout, Choo, Bautisa
UTIL - Pujols, Panda, Lind
BENCH - Mesoraco, R. Davis, Taveras

SP - Anibal, Shields, Iwakumi, Cashner, Samardzija, E. Santana, Masterson, Hudson, McHugh
RP - Soria, Doolittle, Casilla, McGee

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:17 PM

I play in a TD heavy Non-PPR league and WRs don't need any help at all.  They've carried my team with yards and TDs alone.  That said, I'm a traditionalist and think RBs should be the bread and butter of your fantasy team.  I've alwas thought that it would be cool to have a WR3 (possession receiver) that only got PPR points and TDs and didn't count yardage.  It would add a new twist without heavily skewing the game.
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WR(2): Gordon, Crabtree:
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:19 PM

Best format .5 PPR.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

I've played standard, full ppr, and .5 ppr.

By far the best imo is .5 ppr, a bit more scoring but also seems to be the fairest way to play.

Huge fan of it.
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SG/SF: Kyle Korver, Trevor Ariza, Andre Iguodala, Kawhi Leonard

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:22 PM

people like ppr because they score more points and can comeback and win easier. I play mostly ppr now. I complain about it but its what everyone plays. its better because when you have the second or third RB score the TD or the no name TE or second TE score its dumb.

Edited by ballfan4141, 31 October 2013 - 01:23 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:23 PM

View PostShabba Rankz, on 31 October 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

View Postdjbigf, on 31 October 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

PPR is a joke.
1 catch 80 yards= 8 pts standard
5 catches 80 yards= 8 pts standard

And ppr is the joke?

Personally I find standard boring.
5 catches for 80 yards is still 80 yards...it just took player B a lot of time to accomplish what player A did. In real Football...if you are on your own 10 yard line and you went 80 yards...whether it be with a spectacular bomb or a combo of catches....you still got your team into the red zone...that's it. Some could argue that 80 bomb would have the greater impact on the game because it's demoralizing and it only took one play. Some would argue the other way...still it's 80 yards...and that's what should be awarded. Let the drafters decide how they draft players to get their 80 yards...it's up to you...if you award the catches it takes it out of the drafters hands...which is perverted.
10 Team Standard non-ppr QB, WR,WR,WR,RB,RB,TE,WRT,K,DEF 7 Bench slots No IR

QB: Matthew Stafford
WR: Dez Bryant
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Josh Gordon
RB: Marshawn Lynch
RB: Steven Jackson
TE: Rob Gronkowski
WRT: Shane Vereen
K:   Justin Tucker
DEF: Kansas City Defense
BN RB: Rashard Jennings, Bobby Rainey, Donald Brown, D Woodhead, R Helu, W McGahee, R Mendenhall B Jacobs
BN WR: Keenan Allen, Percy Harvin, Boykin, Kenbrell Thompkins, Marques Colston, J Edelman
BN TE: Jared Cook, Martellius Bennet,  Coby Fleener,
BN QB:Nick Foles
BN DEF: -----




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