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Brent Celek 2013 Season OutlookTo be big part of Eagles passing game?


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#1 FantasyFiend

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:54 AM

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It's reportedly "clear" that Brent Celek is "going to be a big part of the Eagles' passing game."
When Chip Kelly first came to town and started installing his offense, it looked like Celek would primarily be a blocker in a run-heavy offense. But throughout camp, the burly team leader has been involved in the passing game. During the third exhibition contest, he led the team in targets with seven en route to a 4/54/0 line. Celek's upside is capped by his lead-footed running and role as the in-line tight end, but we can't write him off the TE2 radar. He's going to be on the field a ton.

A good sleeper TE here especially for PPR purposes? Between him & Sudfeld I'm hoping I have 1 viable Tight End before Gronk returns...have a feeling Celek will be used a lot in a volume of catches for short yardage kind of way with a decent amount of red zone targets to boot given his wide-body target

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:33 AM

No one knows how Philly is gonna operate that offense this year.

So either buy in on potential and wait and see, or save that top waiver wire claim for whatever player emerges out of this offense.

Me...I am sitting on the sidelines and waiting. Maybe I miss out, maybe I don't. Wait and see.

Edited by bt12483, 28 August 2013 - 11:34 AM.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:38 AM

Nothing wrong with adding Celek to your bench if you have a spot.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:40 AM

Rotoworld is betting heavily on the Eagles this preseason, but I think you have to be cautious as Philly is really an unknown. Keep in mind Rotoworld pimped Vick pretty hard last season as well, and we all know what happened then. Another red flag is earlier in the season Jaws declared Chip Kelly's offense as not feasible to be effective at the pro level.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:49 AM

Their defense looks horrible. I don't see how you can always rely on a run based offense like it is supposed to be if you get behind early and often. Maybe that bodes well for desean and celek and for mccoys receptions. Who knows. That is why I am staying away until I see how it unfolds.
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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:55 PM

Hoping for the best outta Celek...I'm hoping the crazy upspeed chip keely offense keep the LB's running and outta breath. I think Celek could creep into the top 10 given the right circumstances...

The last 3 years, he's rec an average of 15% of the Eagles pass plays converting 61% of his tartets into receptions @ 12.4 ypr. I haven't looked into how Kelly uses his TE (but he's stated that Celek is going to be a part of the offense and on the field a lot), but lets say the Eagles get 75 plays per game out (1200 for the Season, the Pats had that same total last season).

I believe that it's reasonable to think that the Kelly offense will tilt slightly towards the passing game in the NFL, so lets say 650 passes and 550 runs and that Celek maintains his 15% of the targets.
That gives him appx 98 targets. (Here's where I fudge for the league seeing something new). But instead of his 61% target/reception conversion rate, I bumped it up top 65% ( a little higher than last years 64%, but lower than his career avg), so 65% of 98 targets is 65 receptions @ his 4 year avg per rec of 12.5...totalling 800 yds...throw in 6 TD's and you have yourself a top 10 TE (most likely).

I'm calling it now: Celek will have 65 rec // 800 yds // 6 TD

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:04 PM

I also have him rostered until Gronk returns. Looking at my league's free agent pool it was Celek or Myers. I think Celek will have a bigger role on his team so I went with him,

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:23 PM

He was horrible last year
Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7......

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:08 PM

View PostMax Rockatansky, on 28 August 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

He was horrible last year
But he was fantastic two years ago. Case in point this is a new year and he has the talent to put up another 900 8 score year in the right offense. Chip Kelley's offense from early reports focuses on getting the TE the ball plenty and does not have the TE ever stay in to block on passing downs. If DeSean is not open for the deep ball then Celek is going to eat the middle up.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:48 PM

View PostMax Rockatansky, on 28 August 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

He was horrible last year

Different coach, different offense, different year.

Just like Moreno I picked him up late in my drafts. If he doesn't pan out then back on waivers he goes.
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:11 PM

yup, i'm all in on Celek

this year's Heath Miller, baby! let's go! lol
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:21 PM

Vick threw for 2300 last year. Foles threw for 1700. That's 4000 yards. They are going to be more run-oriented this year. So Let's shave off 800 passing yards. 3200 yards is what were are looking at.

Vegas has Desean Jackson's over/under at 950; LeSean McCoy at 400. Let's assume they get 1600 together just to go over on both. There are still 1600 yards left. If they run a base formation with two WRs (Cooper being the other starting WR), my guess is that Celek is going to get a decent chunk of that 1600. Maybe it is "only" 700 yards. Maybe it's more. All I know is 700 yards would be top 10 last year. Guess who finishes #10 in receiving yards last year at TE...Yep, Brent Celek (684).

Only thing that was missing was TDs and consistent usage. Maclin, their solid 3rd down receiver, is out for the year. Please, please don't tell me Desean Jackson is going to morph into some possession receiver. Alternatively, Jason Avant could be in for a career year, doubt it.

I already called for a big "Ogletree-esque" week 1 from Celek, might as well jump in on the whole season. Haha.
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

You're not taking into account pace.

A Chip Kelly offense supposedly means they will run more plays/snaps than anyone this year.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:17 PM

I feel like Celek should be getting some of the same sleeper vibe Fred Davis is, and he really isn't for the most part.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:21 PM

Can someone, presumable an Oregon fan, tell me if the TE was used a lot in the Ducks Offense with Chip Kelly?
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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostDr.Funktopus, on 03 September 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Can someone, presumable an Oregon fan, tell me if the TE was used a lot in the Ducks Offense with Chip Kelly?

How hard is it to google that yourself?

If you eliminate RBs, then 3 out of the 4 years, the TE position had the 2nd most receptions including Kelly's first year where Ed Dickson had about 20% of the receptions for Oregon.  That said, the offense is going to have to be a bit different so it's not a straight line comparison.....
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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostPatrick Bateman, on 03 September 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostDr.Funktopus, on 03 September 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Can someone, presumable an Oregon fan, tell me if the TE was used a lot in the Ducks Offense with Chip Kelly?

How hard is it to google that yourself?

If you eliminate RBs, then 3 out of the 4 years, the TE position had the 2nd most receptions including Kelly's first year where Ed Dickson had about 20% of the receptions for Oregon.  That said, the offense is going to have to be a bit different so it's not a straight line comparison.....

My apologies. You are absolutely the last person on this forum I wanted to irritate...

I guess I was looking for something slightly qualitative, but you defintiely answered my question. Thank you
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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:31 PM

View PostFantasyFiend, on 28 August 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

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It's reportedly "clear" that Brent Celek is "going to be a big part of the Eagles' passing game."
When Chip Kelly first came to town and started installing his offense, it looked like Celek would primarily be a blocker in a run-heavy offense. But throughout camp, the burly team leader has been involved in the passing game. During the third exhibition contest, he led the team in targets with seven en route to a 4/54/0 line. Celek's upside is capped by his lead-footed running and role as the in-line tight end, but we can't write him off the TE2 radar. He's going to be on the field a ton.

A good sleeper TE here especially for PPR purposes? Between him & Sudfeld I'm hoping I have 1 viable Tight End before Gronk returns...have a feeling Celek will be used a lot in a volume of catches for short yardage kind of way with a decent amount of red zone targets to boot given his wide-body target

who'd you rather have on a long term basis? Celek or Sudfeld?

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:05 PM

If the preseason is any indicator, Celek was on the field for like 79 of 83 plays with the first unit. He'll be used as a blocker a fair bit in what one would have to believe is a run-heavy attack, but assuming that Kelly maintains some elements of a high pace offense (which imo he clearly will), the shear volume of plays, Celek likely sees an increase in targets this season. Because of injuries, the Eagles had to keep Celek in last season for Pass Pro. This season, the Eagles offensive line is likely to be back to a top-10 unit, thus requiring less blocking.

As far as longterm value, it all depends on the progression of Ertz. While they are very likely to be on the field together more and more as the season goes on, Ertz is clearly the more dynamic pass-catcher and Celek the vastly more accomplished blocker.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:27 PM

Anybody rolling with Celek week 1?

I have Gronk and obviously need a filler.  Celek is playing WASH who were terrible vs. TEs last year, and plus the reports of Celek being featured in the passing game,

The matchup seems tempting.

Edited by Patrick Bateman, 04 September 2013 - 08:32 PM.
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