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Shin-Soo Choo 2014 OutlookDec. 2013: Signs 7-year deal with TEX


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#1 And Won

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:52 PM

Boras seeking $125M for him. What a joke!

Why do people still hire Boras? If I were a team I wouldn't deal with anyone using him.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:57 PM

View PostAnd Won, on 09 November 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Boras seeking $125M for him. What a joke!

Why do people still hire Boras? If I were a team I wouldn't deal with anyone using him.

why is it a joke?  Boras trying to get the most money for his client and in the process making a good chunk of change for himself.
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:12 PM

Because you can look at previous contracts of similar players and see that he's not worth it. Now as someone who wanted to possibly acquire Choo, this statement/decision by his agent has reduced my interest in him to 0. Hence hurting the market for his value.

I hope the Phillies don't pay him that amount, it's a joke. We don't want to be like the Nats paying 125M to Jayson Werth.

Edited by And Won, 09 November 2013 - 05:13 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostAnd Won, on 09 November 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Because you can look at previous contracts of similar players and see that he's not worth it. Now as someone who wanted to possibly acquire Choo, this statement/decision by his agent has reduced my interest in him to 0. Hence hurting the market for his value.

I hope the Phillies don't pay him that amount, it's a joke. We don't want to be like the Nats paying 125M to Jayson Werth.

It's not a matter of whether he is worth it. With the new player agreement and the amount of money being paid to teams, the free agent market is going to be bare. There is too much demand for talent and too little talent available. So players who are good too very good but not great will be the ones who benefit. If a player is great, a team will lock him up until his mid thirties.

Players hire Boras because he is good at his job(just look at his track record). It is not like he is holding a gun to their heads and forcing people to sign his players to ridiculous contracts. You are only worth what someone is willing to pay you and in baseball you only have to convince one team.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:15 AM

dont think he is worth that much coin....especially to a rebuild like the Mets....but he is very valuable to a contending team - as a Reds fan would love to see him stay,

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:45 AM

View PostAnd Won, on 09 November 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Because you can look at previous contracts of similar players and see that he's not worth it. Now as someone who wanted to possibly acquire Choo, this statement/decision by his agent has reduced my interest in him to 0. Hence hurting the market for his value.

If I were running a baseball team I'd love for this logic to be true.  If every other team lost interest because of his agent it would mean I could swoop in and sign him for a fraction of his fair value.

Choo had a monster year in 2013 that I don't see him repeating, but he should still be a top 15-20 OF in all formats.  I'd love to see him end up in a non-leadoff spot where he can get more RBIs.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:34 PM

If he goes to the Yankess I am going to target him heavily next year. Crossing my fingers the Yanks sign him. I think it's a perfect fit.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:27 PM

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 13 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

If he goes to the Yankess I am going to target him heavily next year. Crossing my fingers the Yanks sign him. I think it's a perfect fit.

It's not a Grandy type fit. Choo likes going oppo. That short porch in left doesn't benefit him as much as you think it would considering he's a lefty. Cincy was about as good of field as you could of asked for.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:09 PM

View PostTravdaddy10, on 14 November 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 13 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

If he goes to the Yankess I am going to target him heavily next year. Crossing my fingers the Yanks sign him. I think it's a perfect fit.

It's not a Grandy type fit. Choo likes going oppo. That short porch in left doesn't benefit him as much as you think it would considering he's a lefty. Cincy was about as good of field as you could of asked for.
I agree but Choo going back to the AL and playing in the AL East parks in general gets me excited about his prospects next year.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:10 AM

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 14 November 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

View PostTravdaddy10, on 14 November 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 13 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

If he goes to the Yankess I am going to target him heavily next year. Crossing my fingers the Yanks sign him. I think it's a perfect fit.

It's not a Grandy type fit. Choo likes going oppo. That short porch in left doesn't benefit him as much as you think it would considering he's a lefty. Cincy was about as good of field as you could of asked for.
I agree but Choo going back to the AL and playing in the AL East parks in general gets me excited about his prospects next year.
I loved owning Choo last year. But that was a career year for him. Wherever he goes he's not going to live up to the contract he's going to get. His defense is subpar and he's been injury prone in the past. Not to mention he can't hit a lefty. Brewing to be another Werth situation.
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:36 PM

View PostTravdaddy10, on 18 November 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 14 November 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

View PostTravdaddy10, on 14 November 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 13 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

If he goes to the Yankess I am going to target him heavily next year. Crossing my fingers the Yanks sign him. I think it's a perfect fit.

It's not a Grandy type fit. Choo likes going oppo. That short porch in left doesn't benefit him as much as you think it would considering he's a lefty. Cincy was about as good of field as you could of asked for.
I agree but Choo going back to the AL and playing in the AL East parks in general gets me excited about his prospects next year.
I loved owning Choo last year. But that was a career year for him. Wherever he goes he's not going to live up to the contract he's going to get. His defense is subpar and he's been injury prone in the past. Not to mention he can't hit a lefty. Brewing to be another Werth situation.

If he goes to NY, he will be just as good, if not better next year.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

View PostAnd Won, on 09 November 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Because you can look at previous contracts of similar players and see that he's not worth it. Now as someone who wanted to possibly acquire Choo, this statement/decision by his agent has reduced my interest in him to 0. Hence hurting the market for his value.

I hope the Phillies don't pay him that amount, it's a joke. We don't want to be like the Nats paying 125M to Jayson Werth.

To be fair, Mr Werth earned his dough this year. 4.6 WAR @ roughly 7m/WAR on the FA market now...but I understand your sentiments.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostTravdaddy10, on 18 November 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I loved owning Choo last year. But that was a career year for him.

How so?

HR/SB/Runs + RBI/Avg.

2009: 20/21/153/.300
2010: 22/22/171/.300
2011 injured but on a similar pace
2012: 16/21/155/./283
2013: 21/20/161/.285

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

View Postphoenixbases, on 19 November 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

View PostTravdaddy10, on 18 November 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I loved owning Choo last year. But that was a career year for him.

How so?

HR/SB/Runs + RBI/Avg.

2009: 20/21/153/.300
2010: 22/22/171/.300
2011 injured but on a similar pace
2012: 16/21/155/./283
2013: 21/20/161/.285

Yes his independent numbers (HR, SB, and BA) were the same, but look at the almost of runs and walks he took, those were a product of playing in Cincinnati. He is a leadoff hitter now, and unless he resigns or go to another hitter-heavy team (such as Tiger or Texas), I can't see him taking as many walks or scoring as many runs as he did last year (career high 112 and 107 respectively [coincidence it was on his contract year?]), or getting as many RBIs from the leadoff spot as he did in 2009 and 2012 (86 and 90 respectively).

I do agree it was a career year (in terms of fantasy, as he's still the same player he's always been in real life).

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:03 PM

View Postpoopdungbeatle, on 09 November 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

View PostAnd Won, on 09 November 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Boras seeking $125M for him. What a joke!

Why do people still hire Boras? If I were a team I wouldn't deal with anyone using him.

why is it a joke?  Boras trying to get the most money for his client and in the process making a good chunk of change for himself.

It's an agent doing his job, yes.

But is it realistic to think teams are going to spend that kind of money on Choo?... I don't think so, but then again Lincey got paid a lot more money than I thought he'd get too.

Here's a good read on it, they say Boars is targeting 90 - 100 million, which even 100 million seems a bit steep.

http://metsmerizedon...his-winter.html

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:56 PM

View PostTravdaddy10, on 14 November 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

View Postbigbluecrew56, on 13 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

If he goes to the Yankess I am going to target him heavily next year. Crossing my fingers the Yanks sign him. I think it's a perfect fit.

It's not a Grandy type fit. Choo likes going oppo. That short porch in left doesn't benefit him as much as you think it would considering he's a lefty. Cincy was about as good of field as you could of asked for.
Grandy didn't turn into a low BA / high HR guy until he got to New York and saw that super short porch.
I'm not saying if Choo goes to NY he'll be a crap BA super HR guy, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turned in a 30+ HR shortly afterwards.  They key would be to keep his BA still strong with great OBP...
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:47 AM

View Postjspeco9, on 19 November 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

View Postphoenixbases, on 19 November 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

View PostTravdaddy10, on 18 November 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I loved owning Choo last year. But that was a career year for him.

How so?

HR/SB/Runs + RBI/Avg.

2009: 20/21/153/.300
2010: 22/22/171/.300
2011 injured but on a similar pace
2012: 16/21/155/./283
2013: 21/20/161/.285

or getting as many RBIs from the leadoff spot as he did in 2009 and 2012 (86 and 90 respectively).

I do agree it was a career year (in terms of fantasy, as he's still the same player he's always been in real life).

He didn't lead off even once in 2009.  He had 67 RBI ins 2012 (when he lead off about 80% of the time and hit 3rd some, too), not 90 as you say here.  He did have 90 RBI in 2010, but he didn't lead off even once then, either.  

You guys know you can look these things up, right?

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:45 PM

I actually hope he stays in Cincy (or goes to the Yankees but they won't pay his asking price). He worked well in cincy, and that team and ballpark are a match for him.
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 07:52 PM

tigers make him their priority. don't know if I like him with them. he could do a small amount of DH and not bat behind a pitcher but liked him with reds.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 08:06 PM

I have to imagine he'd  hit leadoff or second with the tigers, unless they still like Jackson at the top and put kindler behind him. Power might go down to the teens but I think the counting stats would be good and obviously would still be a stud in obp leagues.




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