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Ervin Santana 2014 OutlookShow me the money


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#1 Suikoden

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:53 AM



CBS Sports' Jon Heyman hears that Ervin Santana's asking price is five years and $112 million.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post is hearing the same thing. Santana's agents arrived at the figure in part due to a comparison to Zack Greinke, who received a six-year, $147 million deal from the Dodgers last offseason. Santana is one of the top free agent pitchers available this offseason along with Ubaldo Jimenez and Matt Garza, but it would be a surprise if the bidding got that high for his services.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:55 AM

Not worth that kind of money.  Unreal.  

Comparing himself also to Grenks is asinine too.  Grenks is CONSISTENT.

This bum will sink any team that signs him if at THAT kind of money.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:17 PM

That will turn out horrible for the team that signs him to that type of deal
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:36 PM

I agree, any team that pays him anywhere near that kind of money will sink their franchise.  He is a nice #3.  No real upside with him. 2 of last 4 years an era over 5.  He just isn't dominant enough for that kind of money.  On a post season team he would be borderline starter/bullpen.  Just seems if you pony up that kind of money for that you will be weak at other positions or need a $250M payroll.  Someone will probably go 4 years 70+ mill though.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

4 - $70 is at least reasonable.  Not saying I would want my team to sign him for that though.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:37 PM

The Santana #'s show how valuable pitching has become.  Lincecum reupping for 17 mil per does not look so crazy now on the part of Giant mgnt.  Wonder what kind of money Phil Hughes is seeking. . . .


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

Going to be  this years Michael Bourn/Kyle Lohse and have to settle for much less at the end?

Unless you really are a superstar level player, it just seems like it makes more sense to keep your mouth shut and let someone overpay you rather than announce a figure thats an overpayment, which makes you look bad in the public eye, and leads you to not getting signed.

I mean, I'm fine with teams overpaying for players. Lots of contracts are overpays. This isn't a video game where you can just cherry pick exactly who you want and know exactly how good they are. For the love of God though, keep your ridiculous valuations to yourself.

He will not sign for 9 figures.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:17 PM

Santana and Greinke do not belong in the same sentence. And this comes from someone who thinks Greinke is overrated.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostPosting In The Clutch, on 14 November 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Santana and Greinke do not belong in the same sentence. And this comes from someone who thinks Greinke is overrated.

Ironic considering you just put them in the same sentence #mindblown
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:29 AM

Dodgers, Yanks, Blue Jays, or Mariners? Obviously LA & SEA are the desired spots for fantasy owners. LA has Haren, Beckett, Billingsley for #4 & 5. Zach Lee is good in MiLB but not dominant.

Lohse didn't sign until Mar 25th of last year. No way these clubs can wait that long. Ervin will sign by Feb 15th to....................SEA. 4/55, Garza-area. Right after Burnett signs with the O's and no chance Price is traded before July.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 12:42 PM

Deal progressing?

Ok, we all believe everything on twitter, right? C'mon, it's never wrong. KC not in on it. TOR not in on it. LA signs Maholm as insurance.
I'm still sticking with my prediction one post above: by Feb 15th, 4/55 with SEA. If you're SEA, might as well sign all your FAs this year since your #6 is protected.

Why do I care so much? Because my keepers are due by the 15th and Swervin Ervin only costs me $2. Get it done!

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:38 PM

View Postbbythepier, on 10 February 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

Deal progressing?

Ok, we all believe everything on twitter, right? C'mon, it's never wrong. KC not in on it. TOR not in on it. LA signs Maholm as insurance.
I'm still sticking with my prediction one post above: by Feb 15th, 4/55 with SEA. If you're SEA, might as well sign all your FAs this year since your #6 is protected.

Why do I care so much? Because my keepers are due by the 15th and Swervin Ervin only costs me $2. Get it done!
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Posted 17 February 2014 - 08:57 PM

Santana can't be too happy that Ubaldo signed for "only" 50 million/4 years.  I can't see anyone offering more than that for Santana.
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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:01 PM

View Postpoopdungbeatle, on 17 February 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Santana can't be too happy that Ubaldo signed for "only" 50 million/4 years.  I can't see anyone offering more than that for Santana.
Hopefully he can finally sign. Guy was way overvaluing himself from the start. I couldnt believe he wanted 100 mil. Ridiculous, even with the market for pitching today that was too much for Ervin.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:52 PM

Is he going to sign somewhere?

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:57 PM

View Postmaxplanck, on 05 March 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

Is he going to sign somewhere?
Maybe he'll wait until the season starts. Then he can sign wherever and it doesn't cost the team a draft pick. It might be later in the season though.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:09 PM

View PostTravdaddy10, on 05 March 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

View Postmaxplanck, on 05 March 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

Is he going to sign somewhere?
Maybe he'll wait until the season starts. Then he can sign wherever and it doesn't cost the team a draft pick. It might be later in the season though.

The draft is June 5-7 - that's when the draft pick compensation disappears.  That would be just the Royals luck and is starting to look like a real possibility.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:28 PM

any guesstimations to when ervin might be fantasy-usable??? june? july?  hopefully, earlier?
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:50 PM


@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Ervin Santana now seeking a one-year deal, and wants to sign as quickly as possible.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 08:01 PM

View Postd_wag, on 07 March 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:


@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Ervin Santana now seeking a one-year deal, and wants to sign as quickly as possible.

SEA please, flyball suppression.....sign for 3/45 next year




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