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Trading away guys for future picks (snake) or draft dollars (auction)


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#1 shaman0610

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 01:58 PM

This is a question geared for leagues that are competitive & last year-to-year, and specifically for teams that become mathematically eliminated prior to the trading deadline.

Now, in the case of dynasty & keeper leagues, I think trading for future picks becomes obvious, because the losing team can throw massive value to a team simply to secure a REALLY nice dynasty player or keeper for the following season(s).

However, what about other formats? Do people have experience trading away a top RB, WR, QB, or TE for a certain round draft pick, or auction dollars for the following season?

To make sure this doesn't devolve into A/C, I am going to ask the question in terms of a 10-12 team league (which most of us are in), and the trade in question involves an elite player in each respective position.

Specifically, what round draft pick(s) in a standard snake draft, and how much of a $200 auction seem legitimate for the following types of players?

an elite RB (top 5-6)
a top RB (7-12)
an elite WR (top 5-6)
a top WR (7-12)
an elite QB (top 5-6)
an elite TE (top 5-6)

I view these as realistic tiers by position in which
A.) a playoff team would certainly receive improvement at and
B.) would be willing to trade a future consideration of substance for.

12 team 0.5 PPR, auction, 3 keepers (traded away; received in trade) - record: 5-5 (7th of 12)
QB: Tony Romo ($1), Ben Roethlisburger, Matt Ryan ($3)
RB: Ellington ($20), Vereen ($9), Doug Martin, R. Jennings ($20), P. Thomas ($7)Charles Sims
WR: Antonio Brown ($41), DeAndre Hopkins ($2), Roddy ($19), LaFellM. Floyd ($12), Torrey Smith ($9), Beckham Jr.

TE: Jordan Cameron ($7), Kyle Rudolph ($6)

8 team 0.5 PPR, snake - record: 7-3 (2nd of 8)
QB: Peyton Manning (8th)
RB: Ellington (35th), Ronnie HillmannBernard (19th), Rashad Jennings (57th), Vereen (56th)

WR: AJ Green (14th), Antonio Brown (25th), Watkins, Roddy White (41st), Gordon (105th), LaFell

TE: Dwayne Allen (forced to stream TE here, & can't trade for a TE for the life of me)

12 team 0.5 PPR, snake (traded away; received in trade) - record: 4-6 (6th of 12)
QB: Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler (113th)

RB: Gio Bernard (17th), Ellington (32nd), Vereen, Lacy (8th)Charles Sims
WR: Roddy White (41st), LaFell, M. Floyd (56th), C. Patterson (65th),Josh Gordon

TE: Julius Thomas, Travis Kelce, Rudolph (137th)

 

notable drops: Tom Brady (2x), Gerhart (1x), Ertz (3x), Cruz (1x), P. Thomas (2x), Justin Hunter (2x)


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Posted 26 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

OK, I'll try and offer my thoughts, though I am not experienced here. For an elite WR or RB (top 5 for each position), I would be asking for a mid-round pick in snake formats (5-8) and around 7-10% of an auction budget (e.g., 15$ in a $200 auction).

The only QBs and TEs I see as really receiving top value right now would be guys like Brees, Manning, Jimmy Graham, and Julius Thomas, and maybe mid-round value would be reasonable here as well, right?

As for RB1 or WR1 (e.g., top 10-12 in these positions), my range would extend down to round 10 at most (for like a 10-12 value guy at his position), and maybe $8-10 auction dollars in the next years draft.

12 team 0.5 PPR, auction, 3 keepers (traded away; received in trade) - record: 5-5 (7th of 12)
QB: Tony Romo ($1), Ben Roethlisburger, Matt Ryan ($3)
RB: Ellington ($20), Vereen ($9), Doug Martin, R. Jennings ($20), P. Thomas ($7)Charles Sims
WR: Antonio Brown ($41), DeAndre Hopkins ($2), Roddy ($19), LaFellM. Floyd ($12), Torrey Smith ($9), Beckham Jr.

TE: Jordan Cameron ($7), Kyle Rudolph ($6)

8 team 0.5 PPR, snake - record: 7-3 (2nd of 8)
QB: Peyton Manning (8th)
RB: Ellington (35th), Ronnie HillmannBernard (19th), Rashad Jennings (57th), Vereen (56th)

WR: AJ Green (14th), Antonio Brown (25th), Watkins, Roddy White (41st), Gordon (105th), LaFell

TE: Dwayne Allen (forced to stream TE here, & can't trade for a TE for the life of me)

12 team 0.5 PPR, snake (traded away; received in trade) - record: 4-6 (6th of 12)
QB: Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler (113th)

RB: Gio Bernard (17th), Ellington (32nd), Vereen, Lacy (8th)Charles Sims
WR: Roddy White (41st), LaFell, M. Floyd (56th), C. Patterson (65th),Josh Gordon

TE: Julius Thomas, Travis Kelce, Rudolph (137th)

 

notable drops: Tom Brady (2x), Gerhart (1x), Ertz (3x), Cruz (1x), P. Thomas (2x), Justin Hunter (2x)


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 10:21 AM

bump. anyone have thoughts here?

12 team 0.5 PPR, auction, 3 keepers (traded away; received in trade) - record: 5-5 (7th of 12)
QB: Tony Romo ($1), Ben Roethlisburger, Matt Ryan ($3)
RB: Ellington ($20), Vereen ($9), Doug Martin, R. Jennings ($20), P. Thomas ($7)Charles Sims
WR: Antonio Brown ($41), DeAndre Hopkins ($2), Roddy ($19), LaFellM. Floyd ($12), Torrey Smith ($9), Beckham Jr.

TE: Jordan Cameron ($7), Kyle Rudolph ($6)

8 team 0.5 PPR, snake - record: 7-3 (2nd of 8)
QB: Peyton Manning (8th)
RB: Ellington (35th), Ronnie HillmannBernard (19th), Rashad Jennings (57th), Vereen (56th)

WR: AJ Green (14th), Antonio Brown (25th), Watkins, Roddy White (41st), Gordon (105th), LaFell

TE: Dwayne Allen (forced to stream TE here, & can't trade for a TE for the life of me)

12 team 0.5 PPR, snake (traded away; received in trade) - record: 4-6 (6th of 12)
QB: Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler (113th)

RB: Gio Bernard (17th), Ellington (32nd), Vereen, Lacy (8th)Charles Sims
WR: Roddy White (41st), LaFell, M. Floyd (56th), C. Patterson (65th),Josh Gordon

TE: Julius Thomas, Travis Kelce, Rudolph (137th)

 

notable drops: Tom Brady (2x), Gerhart (1x), Ertz (3x), Cruz (1x), P. Thomas (2x), Justin Hunter (2x)


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 10:25 AM

I dont understand the question, are you talking about redraft?

Edited by dmb3684, 27 November 2013 - 10:26 AM.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 10:34 AM

I dont understand the question, are you talking about redraft?


Yes, I'm talking about redraft formats. Sorry for the confusion. As an example, you are eliminated from playoffs this year in a redraft league and are trading your guy(s) away for either future round picks (snake draft) or a portion of the other team's budget (auction $$'s).

12 team 0.5 PPR, auction, 3 keepers (traded away; received in trade) - record: 5-5 (7th of 12)
QB: Tony Romo ($1), Ben Roethlisburger, Matt Ryan ($3)
RB: Ellington ($20), Vereen ($9), Doug Martin, R. Jennings ($20), P. Thomas ($7)Charles Sims
WR: Antonio Brown ($41), DeAndre Hopkins ($2), Roddy ($19), LaFellM. Floyd ($12), Torrey Smith ($9), Beckham Jr.

TE: Jordan Cameron ($7), Kyle Rudolph ($6)

8 team 0.5 PPR, snake - record: 7-3 (2nd of 8)
QB: Peyton Manning (8th)
RB: Ellington (35th), Ronnie HillmannBernard (19th), Rashad Jennings (57th), Vereen (56th)

WR: AJ Green (14th), Antonio Brown (25th), Watkins, Roddy White (41st), Gordon (105th), LaFell

TE: Dwayne Allen (forced to stream TE here, & can't trade for a TE for the life of me)

12 team 0.5 PPR, snake (traded away; received in trade) - record: 4-6 (6th of 12)
QB: Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler (113th)

RB: Gio Bernard (17th), Ellington (32nd), Vereen, Lacy (8th)Charles Sims
WR: Roddy White (41st), LaFell, M. Floyd (56th), C. Patterson (65th),Josh Gordon

TE: Julius Thomas, Travis Kelce, Rudolph (137th)

 

notable drops: Tom Brady (2x), Gerhart (1x), Ertz (3x), Cruz (1x), P. Thomas (2x), Justin Hunter (2x)


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 12:21 PM


I dont understand the question, are you talking about redraft?


Yes, I'm talking about redraft formats. Sorry for the confusion. As an example, you are eliminated from playoffs this year in a redraft league and are trading your guy(s) away for either future round picks (snake draft) or a portion of the other team's budget (auction $$'s).


You shouldn't be able to trade for future picks/ money in redraft.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 12:40 PM



I dont understand the question, are you talking about redraft?


Yes, I'm talking about redraft formats. Sorry for the confusion. As an example, you are eliminated from playoffs this year in a redraft league and are trading your guy(s) away for either future round picks (snake draft) or a portion of the other team's budget (auction $$'s).


You shouldn't be able to trade for future picks/ money in redraft.


And why shouldn't one be able to? Do you mean in terms of logistics (i.e., ESPN or yahoo league settings won't allow trading players for future year draft picks)? Or do you mean shouldn't, as in you personally do not support the idea of doing this?
In a competitive, stable league, I fail to see why this would be bad. Teams making a title run may sacrifice drafting ability the following year in order to improve their title run this year, whereas teams almost out of contention may decide to pack it in and build for next year. I like the concept of it . . .

12 team 0.5 PPR, auction, 3 keepers (traded away; received in trade) - record: 5-5 (7th of 12)
QB: Tony Romo ($1), Ben Roethlisburger, Matt Ryan ($3)
RB: Ellington ($20), Vereen ($9), Doug Martin, R. Jennings ($20), P. Thomas ($7)Charles Sims
WR: Antonio Brown ($41), DeAndre Hopkins ($2), Roddy ($19), LaFellM. Floyd ($12), Torrey Smith ($9), Beckham Jr.

TE: Jordan Cameron ($7), Kyle Rudolph ($6)

8 team 0.5 PPR, snake - record: 7-3 (2nd of 8)
QB: Peyton Manning (8th)
RB: Ellington (35th), Ronnie HillmannBernard (19th), Rashad Jennings (57th), Vereen (56th)

WR: AJ Green (14th), Antonio Brown (25th), Watkins, Roddy White (41st), Gordon (105th), LaFell

TE: Dwayne Allen (forced to stream TE here, & can't trade for a TE for the life of me)

12 team 0.5 PPR, snake (traded away; received in trade) - record: 4-6 (6th of 12)
QB: Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler (113th)

RB: Gio Bernard (17th), Ellington (32nd), Vereen, Lacy (8th)Charles Sims
WR: Roddy White (41st), LaFell, M. Floyd (56th), C. Patterson (65th),Josh Gordon

TE: Julius Thomas, Travis Kelce, Rudolph (137th)

 

notable drops: Tom Brady (2x), Gerhart (1x), Ertz (3x), Cruz (1x), P. Thomas (2x), Justin Hunter (2x)


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 01:24 PM

It's because it makes teams that are out of the playoffs all the incentive to unload their teams to contenders for future earnings since they don't have to keep any of them for next year. This makes the playoffs more of a contest on who gives up the most next year.

In keeper or dynastly leagues at least the playoff team are likely keeping any top players they're giving up future picks/money for and the non-playoff teams aren't going to cheaply give up stud players they plan on keeping.

Edited by Falim, 27 November 2013 - 01:29 PM.

12-team dynasty PPR (7-1)
QB: Brees, Glennon, Garoppolo
RB: Peterson, Ball, OliverGoreMcKinnon, Bolden, Asiata, L. Murray, Gray
WR: D. Thomas, Garcon, R. White, R. Wayne, Baldwin, Matthews, Cooper
TE: J. Thomas, Daniels, Bostick
D/ST: Seattle, Minnesota
TS: Carey, Lyerla

10-team standard redraft (3-5)
QB: Cutler, Palmer
RB: Ellington, F. Jackson, HillmanMcKinnon

WR: C. Johnson, Julio Jones, Green, Randle, Baldwin, Gordon
TE: Cameron, Reed
D/ST: Bengals





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