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2014 Kickers Season Thread


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#1 Gains

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:47 AM

So lets just pretend including kickers is not a terrible idea for minute.

obviously you don't draft one if possible and pick one up last minute, or at least draft them last.

there are no Premium kickers......Blair Walsh 2013 stank and Crosby re surged, Hartley got fired.

impossible to predict when you get 0 points and when you get 20.

that said ^

ideas.?

I like gostkowski/tucker...but both likely will be actually drafted or drafted before last pick.

otherwise just some guy that can kicker 50+ yards reliably and on a good O.

#2 joshua18

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:43 AM

Kickers are a horrible idea only if you don't care about winning...consistent double-digits from a kicker can offset a dud by an RB1 (CJ0K, Adrian Peterson in 2011 and 2013 fantasy playoffs) or WR1 (i.e. Julio Jones in 2012, Megatron in last year's title game). The difference between a kicker that can consistently make 50+ yard FGs vs. one that misses them = 1 TD.

That being said, the best kickers are:
1. In offenses that are good at running the ball (recipe for lots of RZ possessions that stall, leading to FGs) -- Hauschka, Dawson
2. In offenses that score a ton, leading to lots of extra points - Prater
3. Are automatic from inside 40 yards and are at least 50-60% from beyond 40 yards - Tucker, Gostkowski
4. Play the majority of their games indoors -- Vinatieri, Bryant
5. Not injured

Any kicker who fits all of these criteria is as rare as a waiver-wire gem and will get double-digit points more often than not. Never trust an injured kicker (i.e. Cundiff 2011, Walsh 2013) -- they will burn you, no matter how "small" the injury is.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:03 PM

I've won a number of games over the years by having a consistent kicker. There are guys in my league that have a kicker on their team who is ranked 20th in points (10 team league) and it amazes me. Why not pick up a kicker with more points? That's ok though. More wins for me! Anyways, I usually draft a kicker in the last round or 2nd to last round, though usually I end up picking someone up later on during the year. My league awards bonus points for long distance, so I always first look for kickers who kick longer FG's. After that, I like guys who kick inside and play on teams that can move the ball on offense. Walsh is a great NFL kicker, but he was a dud with that Minny offense. Actually Walsh was the guy I drafted, but I think I used Haushka, Vinateri and Dawson during the year. Robbie Gould is a good guy to have as well. Prater is an obvious name and Gotskowski is normally solid as well. It amazes me that there isn't a great kicking option with the Saints. I know people hate drafting kickers, but those are the rules, so I say don't ignore the position.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:09 PM

Prater won me at least 3 games this year that I can remember.

Let's not forget about Dan Bailey who is as reliable as they come.

And why do we have a kicker thread for 14 before the super bowl?

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:25 PM

There are worse things in life than being a NFL kicker...

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Terms for #Cowboys K Dan Bailey’s extension: It’s 6 years (starts in ‘15) for $22.5M. $4M to sign and $7.5M guaranteed. $3.4M per in new $$


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#6 Gains

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:42 PM

Not saying Kickers can't win games or are sub human. I am saying the opportunities they get are far too random for FF.

Multiple weeks you have a guy that gives you 20 points at kicker one week then 0-1-2-3 the next.

The point is that predicting kicker production is dam near impossible

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:53 PM

Not saying Kickers can't win games or are sub human. I am saying the opportunities they get are far too random for FF.

Multiple weeks you have a guy that gives you 20 points at kicker one week then 0-1-2-3 the next.

The point is that predicting kicker production is dam near impossible

I've come to that realization too, so to minimize the risk I look at two things when drafting kickers.
1. If they can kick 50+ yard field goals, the reason for this is quite simple in most leagues a 50 yard field goal is worth 6 points which is semi-decent production for a kicker
2. Plays on a good offense. This reason is also quite simple if a team scores 4/5 TDs a week that plus a chance at a 50 yard field goal per week will give you about 10 points.
Winning gold is simple, you just have to be the best in the world at it.

#8 Gains

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:08 PM

^ true that is the best you can do. But is it still not very good.

but based on that Huaska,Vinateri, Hartely would all be good.

Hartley busted.

Vinateri and Huascka both had 20 ish point games followed by duds. Oddly enough I remember losing when huascka had 20 points but winning the next when he gave me 2 points.

Folk had a good run early and mid season as a good kicker despite not meeting the normal Good O + 50s. criteria.

#9 Ddam2013

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:28 PM

^ true that is the best you can do. But is it still not very good.

but based on that Huaska,Vinateri, Hartely would all be good.

Hartley busted.

Vinateri and Huascka both had 20 ish point games followed by duds. Oddly enough I remember losing when huascka had 20 points but winning the next when he gave me 2 points.

Folk had a good run early and mid season as a good kicker despite not meeting the normal Good O + 50s. criteria.

The ones that I feel fit that MO are (in my personal rankings)
1. Prater
2. Gostkowski
3. Crosby
(They fit the profile the best)
4. Walsh
5. Tucker
6. Hauschka
7. Gould
8. Legatron
9. Dawson
10. Bailey
I also refuse to draft a kicker before the last round of the draft so the kicker that meets my criteria and I'll be able to draft is probably Crosby.
Winning gold is simple, you just have to be the best in the world at it.

#10 Mongeese

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 07:50 PM

As drafts end, and people look to the wires for Legatron, we try to avoid the guys that miss games with cuticle and alcohol problems.

Who ya got?

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

Connor Barth is the top kicker in Yahoo in terms of projections. Coming off a leg injury he's looking like huge value, going undrafted in most leagues.

Competitive 12 team H2H deep league. Starting spots are in brackets:

QB (2) - Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, Nick Foles, Tyrod Taylor
RB (2) - Eddie Lacy, Doug Martin, Arian Foster, Giovani Bernard, Joique Bell, Isiah Crowell, Bishop Sankey
WR (2) - Alshon Jeffrey, Randall Cobb, Pierre Garcon, Brian Quick, Markus Wheaton, Ty Montgomery
TE (2) - Owen Daniels, Richard Rodgers, Eric Ebron

K (2) - Stephen Gostkowski, Cairo Santos, Kai Forbath
IDP (4) - Lavante David, Luke Kuechly, NaVorro Bowman, Bobby Wagner

D (2) - NY Jets, Atlanta Falcons, Chicago Bears
 


#12 ZeroCool22

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:36 PM

Avoid any problems from idiot kickers by drafting Hauschka.
Dude is a beast. Offense scores points, he's money
When 1 or two go off the board make sure your next guy is Hauschka

Edited by ZeroCool22, 25 August 2014 - 08:38 PM.

2015 RVFF XIV 1 Flex 5 IDP
QB E Manning Bradford
RB Abdullah Foster Blue DMC M Jones
WR Brown AJ Matthews Cooper Fuchess Dorsett
TE Olsen
K Tucker
D Watt Mosley Wagner Worrliow E Kendricks
DB Cyprien R Jones

2015 10 Team 6x5 w/ TB
C Vogt 1B Votto 2B Kipnis SS Correa 3B Donaldson
OF Cutch Joc Ellsbury UTIL Schwarber Bryant
BN Grandal Lindor
SP Wacha Archer Quintana Martinez J Ross
McHugh Syndergaard McCullers Nelson
RP Holland Perkins Famila Betances Tolleson Seigrist
DL Springer Grichuk Matz

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:40 PM

Avoid any problems from idiot kickers by drafting Hauschka.
Dude is a beast. Offense scores points, he's money
When 1 or two go off the board make sure your next guy is Hauschka


Ha! My problem with Hauschka last year was having to cut him for the bye week and saying goodbye forever...

#14 PackersFan1979

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:41 PM

I reached for Gostkowski because I want studs

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 08:51 PM


Hey Ray. I never went down Ray. You never got me down Ray.


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Posted 25 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

I spent my 13th pick on Prater. I got owned. Damn idiot kicker.

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 10:03 PM

If they move the extra point back to make it a bit more than a chip shot, we should all make our scoring settings -10 for a missed xp.

That might make us take notice.

This is just like the Josh Gordon thread from last year.

 

 

 

QB: Ryan Leaf
RB: Lawrence Phillips
RB: Ki-Jana Carter
WR: Charles Rogers
WR: Desmond Howard
TE: David LaFleur
W/R: David Wilson
K: Ray Finkle(Einhorn)
D: Minnie

BN: Andre Ware/Jared Cook/Tony Mandarich/Curtis Enis/Travis Henry/Brian Bosworth/CJ Spiller/Trent Richardson

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#18 Mack's Ghost

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 10:32 PM

Nate Freese won kicking job for Detroit today when they cut Giorgio Tevecchio per Rotoworld

Derek Dimke is currently projected to survive roster cuts win Saints job
http://www.nola.com/...jected_5_3.html

Two kickers in great situations that can be had free of WW
Team 1 - 10 Team NonSnake Yardage Bonus/Return Yardage
QB - Eli Manning/ Russell WIlson
WR - Jordy Nelson, Steve Smith (CAR), Danny Amendola/ Leonard Hankerson, Andrew Hawkins
RB - DeAngolo WIlliams, Darren Sproles/ Jacquizz Rodgers, Daryl RIchardson, Chris Johnson,
TE - Rob Gronkowski Dennis Pitta.
Flex - Martellus Bennett
K -Greg Zuerlein, Justin Tucker
DEF - Miami

Team 2 12 Team Snake Yardage bonus
QB- Cam Newton/ Josh Freeman
WR -Andre Johnson, Kenny Britt, Brandon LaFell
RB - Adrian Peterson, Darren Sproles/ Fred Jackson,Toby Gerhart, Kevin Smith, Andre Brown
TE- Martellus Bennett/
Flex - Dennis Pitta
K - Greg Zuerlein
DEF - Houston
IDP - D'Qwell Jackson

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 10:58 PM

Love the thread title.

I didn't realize Praters suspension was a whole year and got it down to 4 games. One more slip-up and he is done.

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 11:19 PM

Tucker was 1st off the board in like the 12th round of my 16 round draft and I believe Gostkowski was the only other one who went before the 15th. I ended up with Shayne Graham in the 16th but now I'm reading that he hasn't even secured the starting gig. Normally I wouldn't care, but this league just instituted a cap of 20 moves before we start getting charged :(

The formula seems pretty simple though - high scoring offense, domes preferred, talent is tertiary.