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Kyle Gibson 2014 OutlookTwins 5th Starter


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#1 Gumbo_Ghost

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 05:02 PM

I realize this is for deeper league consideration, but, is there any reason to add him in a 16+ league?

The last 4 years he's been on the prospect radar, top 70s.
He had a 7.7 K/9 in AAA and a career 8 K/9 in AAA

Spring numbers are great, but no Ks.
But he was terrible last season in MLB. This would be his 2nd full season back now from Tommy John.
He went a total of 150+ innings last season, so he shouldn't be restricted.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:00 PM

He's on my "watch list" in deeper leagues, but that's about it. I was interested in him last year, but he did not impress when given opportunity. Maybe another season removed from tj and he can find some mojo.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:14 PM

Is he even in the rotation?

I thought is was Nolasco, Hughes, Correia, Pelfrey, Dunado (sp)

Edited by 96mnc, 29 March 2014 - 06:15 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:23 PM

Kyle Gibson: Named 5th Starter

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 1:51 PM
NEWS UPDATE
Gibson has officially won the fifth-starter role with Scott Diamond sent to Triple-A Rochester, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 05:38 PM

any deep thoughts on today's outing?

cleveland has a good lineup, he kept them in check. showed good poise when he got into jams.

i wasn't overly impressed. the 4 walks in 5 innings sucked.
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:49 PM

2 wins, 11.1 innings, 2 ER, 6ks, high whip (1.42)

Nothing impressive but maybe worth noting.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 02:03 PM

looks like another solid outing today. somebody out there who watched it? looks solid so far. not many Ks.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:03 PM

his fastball had some good late life to it and he looked good. i mainly saw him hitting 90-91 (someone correct me if i missed faster pitches) so he definitely has to locate well. he has my attention right now and hopefullly he keeps this up so i can add him lol
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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:03 PM

I watched it on the mlb network. He had pin point accuracy and his secondary pitches had some nice movement. Not a lot of K's but he pounded the strike zone all day long and kept hitters off balance.
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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:07 PM

View Postcornerback, on 17 April 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

looks like another solid outing today. somebody out there who watched it? looks solid so far. not many Ks.
Pretty typical that a Twins hurler would pitch to contact and not get many K's.  It's a philosophy that has never made much sense to me and is why guys like Liriano, Garza, and Lohse have moved on and had more success in other organizations.  What Gibson is doing is encouraging, but unless it's in a deep league I would still just monitor the sitch.
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Posted 18 April 2014 - 06:23 AM

despite the twins insane pitching philosophy, and despite the minimal k's so far from gibson, i wouldn't be so dismissive of what he's done. his pedigree was that of an ace. so for that alone im optimistic we are looking at more than just the next nick blackburn/kevin slowey.

one thing that does concern me is that there looks to be no deception whatsoever in his delivery. he's just very straight forward. it's the same thing with carlos carrasco and wade davis. it looks like batters have no problem at all picking up the baseball.

Edited by LyondellBasell, 18 April 2014 - 06:29 AM.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:26 AM

I think he has to be picked up while he is hot, but I think he will settle down to a mid three era and pedestrian k rate. He can be a good pitcher to stream but I wouldn't count on him for a breakout number 2 or 3 fantasy pitcher type season
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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:29 AM

View Postbombers3shooter, on 17 April 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

View Postcornerback, on 17 April 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

looks like another solid outing today. somebody out there who watched it? looks solid so far. not many Ks.
Pretty typical that a Twins hurler would pitch to contact and not get many K's.  It's a philosophy that has never made much sense to me and is why guys like Liriano, Garza, and Lohse have moved on and had more success in other organizations.  What Gibson is doing is encouraging, but unless it's in a deep league I would still just monitor the sitch.

Lohse has never been a k pitcher in his entire career. In his time in MN he averaged a little over 5.5 per 9 innings. Career (MN,CIN, STL, MIL) he is at 5.68 per 9 innings. Looks like moving to the NL might have helped but he is not a k pitcher.

Garza was traded so he really didn't move on. The Twins needed an OF and thought Young would be the answer. Young as not been answer for more then a few clubs though but then neither has Garza.

Liriano was /is a head case. You never knew what to expect from outing to outing. Opponent didn't matter as he could pitch brilliantly or be so bad it was insane. Check out his yearly stats sometimes it is crazy. Personally I think Santana leaving through him off. Going to PIT seemed to make a difference for him.

The only pitcher (and you missed him) was Santana. He truly was the one who moved on to a better paycheck. He was a great pitcher. But ask a Met fan if he was worth the money they paid and if the yearly results were worth it.

Bash the Twins all you want (they sort of deserve it). As an organization they have hardly ever developed pitching that was a top teir. The couple of recent years they tried to draft them it flopped big time.

For fantasy not k'ing people is a big detriment. In real baseball there have been quite a few pitchers that have turned out to be pretty good over their career with mediocre k rates. Greg Maddoux and Tom Glavine come to mind. And no I am not comparing Gibson's ability to either one just saying that a pitcher can be very effective without k 8+ batters a game.

Edited by An Old Hippie, 18 April 2014 - 07:31 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 04:01 PM

View PostAn Old Hippie, on 18 April 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

View Postbombers3shooter, on 17 April 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

View Postcornerback, on 17 April 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

looks like another solid outing today. somebody out there who watched it? looks solid so far. not many Ks.
Pretty typical that a Twins hurler would pitch to contact and not get many K's.  It's a philosophy that has never made much sense to me and is why guys like Liriano, Garza, and Lohse have moved on and had more success in other organizations.  What Gibson is doing is encouraging, but unless it's in a deep league I would still just monitor the sitch.

Lohse has never been a k pitcher in his entire career. In his time in MN he averaged a little over 5.5 per 9 innings. Career (MN,CIN, STL, MIL) he is at 5.68 per 9 innings. Looks like moving to the NL might have helped but he is not a k pitcher.

Garza was traded so he really didn't move on. The Twins needed an OF and thought Young would be the answer. Young as not been answer for more then a few clubs though but then neither has Garza.

Liriano was /is a head case. You never knew what to expect from outing to outing. Opponent didn't matter as he could pitch brilliantly or be so bad it was insane. Check out his yearly stats sometimes it is crazy. Personally I think Santana leaving through him off. Going to PIT seemed to make a difference for him.

The only pitcher (and you missed him) was Santana. He truly was the one who moved on to a better paycheck. He was a great pitcher. But ask a Met fan if he was worth the money they paid and if the yearly results were worth it.

Bash the Twins all you want (they sort of deserve it). As an organization they have hardly ever developed pitching that was a top teir. The couple of recent years they tried to draft them it flopped big time.

For fantasy not k'ing people is a big detriment. In real baseball there have been quite a few pitchers that have turned out to be pretty good over their career with mediocre k rates. Greg Maddoux and Tom Glavine come to mind. And no I am not comparing Gibson's ability to either one just saying that a pitcher can be very effective without k 8+ batters a game.

Rick Anderson the Twins pitching coach has only made two pitchers in his tenure with the team better pitchers Johan Santana (which was a big one 2x Cy Young and one of the best change ups in the game), and Glenn Perkins.  Don't know how much of that was talent and how much of it was Anderson.  Otherwise it has been prospect after prospect that the team either couldn't coach or couldn't develop.  Lohse became a much better pitcher when he was able to use his curveball more.  He seemed like a guy that was shackled by the "Twins way".

Garza was a good prospect that they never should have let get away especially for a loose cannon like Delmon Young.  The problem with that organization is they don't want to pay anyone and it has been very evident over the past few years (8 former players on the All-Star teams last season).

Liriano was always a different kind of monster and you never knew what you were going to get from him, but isn't that a coaches job to harness a players talent and get the most out of him?  Pittsburgh seems to be doing a pretty good job of this.

I love what they have done to their farm system but my biggest fear as a Twins fan is having Gardenhire still being the manager when all of these top prospect get to the bigs. I think Gibson will be alright,  but this team needs to change their approach and philosophy from top to bottom to get back in the hunt in one of the most winnable divisions in all of pro sports.
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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:46 PM

View Postbombers3shooter, on 18 April 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Rick Anderson the Twins pitching coach has only made two pitchers in his tenure with the team better pitchers Johan Santana (which was a big one 2x Cy Young and one of the best change ups in the game), and Glenn Perkins.  Don't know how much of that was talent and how much of it was Anderson.
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:00 PM

Is anyone starting this bum tonight or should he be benched?
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:32 PM

anybody seen the start? looks like a lot of hits. nut nearly 7 innings. tough schedule ahead. drop?

Edited by cornerback, 30 April 2014 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 09:02 PM

Anyone watch him pitch tonight?  7 shutout innings- only 1 K, but just 2 hits given up.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 10:19 PM

didn't see it, but the one k tells me all i need to know
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 04:48 AM

View PostLyondellBasell, on 05 May 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

didn't see it, but the one k tells me all i need to know

Only 56 strikes out of 100 pitches.
And just 4 swinging strikes out of 56 - that is even more damning.
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