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Knile Davis 2014 Season Outlook


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#1 mmedrek15

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:08 PM

Runs a 4.37 40 yard dash, the handcuff to Jaamal, showed spurts of talent towards the end of last season. He hasn't showed a lot so far this preseason, but if anything ends up happening to Jaamal, Knile will be the first shot, no questions asked. He's definitely more valuable in dynasty/keeper leagues than re-drafts since there will not be immediate playing time, but in my opinion is worth a look otherwise.
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QB: Andrew Luck, Teddy Bridgewater, Shaun Hill
RB: LeSean McCoy, Ray Rice, Benny Cunningham, Ka'Deem Carey, Theo Riddick
WR: Jordy Nelson, Reggie Wayne, Kelvin Benjamin, Josh Gordon, Jeremy Kerley, Corey Washington
TE: Zach Ertz, Ladarius Green, Levine Toilolo
D/ST: Carolina, Baltimore
K: Dan Bailey, Nate Freese

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:17 PM

Tempting to take Jamaal just to have a productive safety valve in Davis should anything happen
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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:30 PM

View Post2504, on 20 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Tempting to take Jamaal just to have a productive safety valve in Davis should anything happen

Exactly why I have Charles #1.

1 - Hes Jamaal Charles
2 - his handcuff is a top 10 RB if disaster strikes

#4 mmedrek15

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:33 PM

View PostCyberneticGhostOfXMasPast, on 20 August 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

View Post2504, on 20 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Tempting to take Jamaal just to have a productive safety valve in Davis should anything happen

Exactly why I have Charles #1.

1 - Hes Jamaal Charles
2 - his handcuff is a top 10 RB if disaster strikes

I'd say with confidence the best back-up in the league right now.
16-Team Keeper League (.4 PPR) : Carolina Panthers
QB: Andrew Luck, Teddy Bridgewater, Shaun Hill
RB: LeSean McCoy, Ray Rice, Benny Cunningham, Ka'Deem Carey, Theo Riddick
WR: Jordy Nelson, Reggie Wayne, Kelvin Benjamin, Josh Gordon, Jeremy Kerley, Corey Washington
TE: Zach Ertz, Ladarius Green, Levine Toilolo
D/ST: Carolina, Baltimore
K: Dan Bailey, Nate Freese

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 02:08 PM

View PostCyberneticGhostOfXMasPast, on 20 August 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

View Post2504, on 20 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Tempting to take Jamaal just to have a productive safety valve in Davis should anything happen

Exactly why I have Charles #1.

1 - Hes Jamaal Charles
2 - his handcuff is a top 10 RB if disaster strikes

what if you take Charles and miss out on Davis.. that's the real disaster

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 02:39 PM

View Postdsrich, on 20 August 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

View PostMilk Steak, on 20 August 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

View PostCyberneticGhostOfXMasPast, on 20 August 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

View Post2504, on 20 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Tempting to take Jamaal just to have a productive safety valve in Davis should anything happen

Exactly why I have Charles #1.

1 - Hes Jamaal Charles
2 - his handcuff is a top 10 RB if disaster strikes

what if you take Charles and miss out on Davis.. that's the real disaster

What if God was one of us?

He is and his name is Jamaal Charles. ;)
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Posted 20 August 2014 - 02:53 PM

Gotta reach for Davis to lock it in IMO

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:39 PM

what round would you guys say Charles owners should look to lock him up?

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:55 PM

View Postnonstopfan, on 20 August 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

what round would you guys say Charles owners should look to lock him up?

Based on the annual markup for handcuffs, the fact that it's feasible he has standalone value during bye weeks, and the fact that he's got talent on par with JC's, I'd say you sacrifice a 7th or 8th rounder if you're desperate to handcuff.

As someone picking outside of the top 8, I'll be looking to snipe handcuffs like Knile that could have a good amount of flex value in the 9th and later rounds. If their starter goes down and I have two starting RBs, I have someone to trade to the starter's owner. If I'm struggling to field a decent RB corps by that point, I've got a guaranteed starter until the "stud" returns.

I won't overpay and reach for them, but if they're sitting out there at decent value and there's no one else I'm thrilled with, I'll take them.
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Posted 20 August 2014 - 05:24 PM

View Postmmrodri, on 20 August 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

View Postnonstopfan, on 20 August 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

what round would you guys say Charles owners should look to lock him up?

Based on the annual markup for handcuffs, the fact that it's feasible he has standalone value during bye weeks, and the fact that he's got talent on par with JC's, I'd say you sacrifice a 7th or 8th rounder if you're desperate to handcuff.

As someone picking outside of the top 8, I'll be looking to snipe handcuffs like Knile that could have a good amount of flex value in the 9th and later rounds. If their starter goes down and I have two starting RBs, I have someone to trade to the starter's owner. If I'm struggling to field a decent RB corps by that point, I've got a guaranteed starter until the "stud" returns.

I won't overpay and reach for them, but if they're sitting out there at decent value and there's no one else I'm thrilled with, I'll take them.
Completely agree, in fact I was shocked that he was still floating around in the draft room in round 12 of my 16-team keeper league, so I snabbed him at 190 overall. I do not own Jamaal, but I have Shady, so this guy could easily make a FLEX start during a bye week or something, OR I could end up trading the dude to Jamaal's owner for a steep price, hang on to him until he becomes a stud, or trade him away to the guy who owns my handcuff (Chris Polk) plus whoever else makes it a fair trade. I doubt most people will be able to draft him so low, but even somewhere around 105-120th overall is definitely worth it, especially in dynasty/keeper formats.
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QB: Andrew Luck, Teddy Bridgewater, Shaun Hill
RB: LeSean McCoy, Ray Rice, Benny Cunningham, Ka'Deem Carey, Theo Riddick
WR: Jordy Nelson, Reggie Wayne, Kelvin Benjamin, Josh Gordon, Jeremy Kerley, Corey Washington
TE: Zach Ertz, Ladarius Green, Levine Toilolo
D/ST: Carolina, Baltimore
K: Dan Bailey, Nate Freese

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:15 PM

You guys act like your guaranteed to get kniles Davis if u take Charles. You'd be dissapointed if you played with me bc I'll do the sane without Charles! Talk about trade bait

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:23 PM

If I had Charles I'd reach for Davis.
If a league mate wants to reach higher, good he just took a backup RB way too early.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:09 PM

View PostCyberneticGhostOfXMasPast, on 20 August 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

View Post2504, on 20 August 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

Tempting to take Jamaal just to have a productive safety valve in Davis should anything happen

Exactly why I have Charles #1.

1 - Hes Jamaal Charles
2 - his handcuff is a top 10 RB if disaster strikes

But then don't you have to take his 'cuff mad early?

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:29 PM

Picked him up late as handcuff, as people are suggesting.  It only makes sense, and luckily I didn't have to reach since it was a live draft and everyone was drunk by then. :D (14th rd pick)

He's actually one of the reasons I felt good about taking Charles first overall.
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QB ---- Russell Wilson
RB ---- Jamaal Charles, Andre Ellington, Shane Vereen, Pierre Thomas, Joique Bell, Knile Davis
WR---- Antonio Brown, Percy Harvin, Greg Jennings, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Andrew Hawkins, Josh Gordon

TE----- Julius Thomas
K ------ Shayne Graham
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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:20 AM

If you don't own Charles, how long are you guys planning on holding? Since I'm holding on to Gordon, my bench is very limited.

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wr - J.Nelson, A.Johnson, M.Floyd(AZ), D.Bowe, J.Gordon
rb - L.McCoy, T.Gerhart, B. Tate, L. Miller, M.Asiata, K.Davis
te - J.Cameron k - N.Freese d/st - D.Lions / stream

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:31 AM

View Postleft hook, on 13 September 2014 - 06:20 AM, said:

If you don't own Charles, how long are you guys planning on holding? Since I'm holding on to Gordon, my bench is very limited.
Typically a bad idea to hold someone else's cuff but in case of Knile he is an top 12 RB if JC goes down which can be this week or the week after. There really is no timeline on how long to hold guys like this. Instead of dropping, trade to the guy who has JC. I am sure he will gladly overpay.

Edited by screaming_vultures, 13 September 2014 - 06:32 AM.

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 06:47 AM

screaming_vultures:  why do you say its a bad idea to have someone else's cuff?  In my opinion that's bad advice.

Edited by gbill2004, 13 September 2014 - 06:48 AM.

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:06 AM

I get what he's saying. I agree that it is generally a bad idea, because which handcuff out of all those teams do you burn a bench spot for? It doesn't really make sense to. Unless it's a unique case like Davis, or Ben Tate behind Foster a couple of years ago.

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qb - M.Stafford, J.Cutler
wr - J.Nelson, A.Johnson, M.Floyd(AZ), D.Bowe, J.Gordon
rb - L.McCoy, T.Gerhart, B. Tate, L. Miller, M.Asiata, K.Davis
te - J.Cameron k - N.Freese d/st - D.Lions / stream

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:32 AM

Trade bait to the JC owner or you're just gunna be burning a bench spot in hopes JC either gets injured or an AP situation arises IMO. Solid trade bait though, he'll just rarely see time unless something happens.

Edited by Donny Kerabatsos, 13 September 2014 - 07:33 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 07:39 AM

View Postgbill2004, on 13 September 2014 - 06:47 AM, said:

screaming_vultures:  why do you say its a bad idea to have someone else's cuff?  In my opinion that's bad advice.

I think its all about upside at the end of the day. Most cuffs dont have upside when the starter misses time. And most of the fallback plans are to go RBBC if the starter misses time. Knile Davis is a unique situation where he will be the starter if JC sits. Unless you believe the cuff will be the starter on his own, its generally a bad idea to waste a roster spot.
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RB: Giovani Bernard, Shane Vereen, Toby Gerhart, CJ Spiller, Pierre Thomas
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K: Mason Crosby
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