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  1. 26 points
    I dont know about you guys, but I'm not dropping Henry yet. Never know when 3 or 4 of your RBs might get get hurt and youll have to start him
  2. 25 points
    These threads and this forum is becoming a joke. Everyone moans and whines about everyone all the damn time. A bunch of box score watchers. 1) Collins looked great last year 2) Collins looked great last night. 90 yards on 12 touches. Yes please. Making people miss and trucking defenders. What fans of his are seeing is a good talent performing at a high level *when given the chance. 3) I was on the Ravens forum last night and everyone was bitching about Harbaugh and MMs use of Collins. Local media will put it to the coaching staff. Last year the Ravens went 5-2 down the stretch when Collins was getting 18 carries a game. 4) last year Collins had 7 and 9 carries respectively in Ravens first two games. Ravens won convincingly in the first game and got blown out in the second. Almost identical script this year as last. Coaches, if wanting to keep their job, will get back to what worked for them. Ball control through a ground game and tough defense. Having Flaccco throw 55 times is a guaranteed loss. 5) Everyone who is calling this guy a bust is a child with no successful experience playing fantasy football. It’s been two damn weeks. There is no preseason anymore. I wouldn’t seriously judge a players situation until week 4 these days. 6) Everyone who is calling this guy a bust... here are some names that Collins’ week 2 performance would have outscored in week 1: Mixon (week 2), Mcaffery, Hunt, Fournette, Freeman, Cook, and Of course, Bell. Are all these guys bums too? Jesus, this place.
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  5. 24 points
    Packers fan here -- much of my Packers prognostication turns out to be wrong (or, at least, if correct, it takes some time to reveal it as such), but I think the threat of Aaron Jones making Jamaal Williams unstartable or at best a flex play is misguided. I'll try to keep this short: training camp is chock-full of coachspeak that means little to nothing. Mike McCarthy is not immune to this, but he is among the coaches who is least likely to heap praise on an undeserving player, and he'll even occasionally call out underperformers through the media. Aaron Rodgers fits this mold as well: when there's someone he sees performing at a high level, he lets the media know; when he sees players underperforming, he also (usually subtly) lets the media know as well. Brief examples: following Davante Adams' rookie year (mostly uneventful outside of a few big games late in the year as he spent the season as the #3 WR behind Jordy and Cobb), McCarthy called Adams the "MVP...[of the offseason]" and, from the linked article: Of course, in 2015 Jordy Nelson tore his ACL in the preseason and the Adams hype-train took off, only to be derailed by a Week 1 ankle injury that hounded him all year, particularly brutal for a WR whose defining quality is his elite release skills from the LOS. He played at well less than 100% (limping off the field not uncommonly to get re-taped up), his ability to create separation suffered, he'd be inhuman if his confidence didn't waver, which directly or indirectly resulted in a lot of dropped passes, and many Packers fans and probably a good deal of analysts as well were ready to write him off as a bust already without taking these factors into account. Well, healthy Davante has had no problems with drops and has delivered on every ounce of promise, albeit more than a year later than hoped, that Rodgers and McCarthy saw in him. The only other "offseason MVP" McCarthy has publicly declared was DT Kenny Clark following his rookie season in 2016. Clark went on to finish 2017 as a top-10 DT (based on PFF) and one of five interior DL to finish top-21 in both run-stopping and pass-rushing (per PFF again). [Sidebar: I'm sure there are some quotes someone can dig up about McCarthy complimenting Brett Hundley and we can see how that turned out, though I personally don't believe we've heard the last of Hundley as a productive NFL QB...no doubt he performed worse than the Packers' coaching staff and I expected him to, and had more downs than ups (needing OT to beat the Browns and getting shut out by the Ravens and Vikings to name a few) but also showed some undeniable flashes (nearly beating the Steelers, showing the ability to perform in the clutch with his game-winning pass in OT against (sigh) the Browns, to name a couple) -- in short, considering some of the defenses he faced (7 of his 10 games where he got appreciable playing time were against top-10 defenses), an uneven performance like what he displayed in his first extended time as a starter isn't a death knell for his career; ask Goff, Peyton Manning, Marino, and many other. OK that was too long of a sidebar -- Hundley will be back, is my point, and it just might be as a starter somewhere.] The offseason has a lot of coachspeak, of course. And it's a lot more productive to listen to a coach speaking negatively about a player than it is to hear them say "best shape of their life" and other coaching platitudes. With that said, Mike McCarthy (and Aaron Rodgers) are generally much less susceptible to "coachspeak" or complimenting the play/development of players who are undeserving of it (e.g. Rodgers basically throwing shade at the three WRs the Packers drafted with how glowingly he complimented Jake Kumerow (and how he flat out mentioned the rookie WRs need to look at Kumerow to see how they need to perform in practice if they want to gain his trust, without which they will not succeed in the NFL). Back to coachspeak: you'll be hard-pressed to find a player McCarthy has been more vocally complimentary of this offseason than Williams. Quotes like (from here): As a side note, the only two other guys I've heard similar (though less extreme) statements about from McCarthy this offseason have been S Kentrell Brice and (***fantasy relevant***) Jimmy Graham (Rodgers has also been vocally complimentary of Graham; I can't recall to what extent this contrasts his public statements on Martellus Bennett last year or Jared Cook the year before (though Cook performed when healthy; and if you ask Bennett, he wasn't healthy the entire season) -- and Rodgers has notably been critical of the trio of WRs the Packers drafted (though complimentary of Geronimo Allison) so he too is not one to dish out compliments when he doesn't feel they're deserved). So back to Jamaal Williams. As you're probably aware, he's far-and-away the best pass-blocking RB on the Packers' roster -- completely different ballpark than Jones or TyMont. Fifth-best in the NFL, as a rookie, last year, according to SIS. I mean, just look at this identification and execution of a difficult block of a free blitzer coming from as far from where he's lined up as possible. And believe me, you cannot underestimate how important pass-blocking is to a team that: A) has very recently seen what happens when their QB gets injured, and will prioritize players/schemes to prevent that as much as possible in the future, and B) runs a complex offense that has lost some key veteran offensive line cogs in the past few seasons (Lang and Sitton) whose continuity (along with the rest of the O-line) is an undeniable advantage in pass protection effectiveness. So there's reason to believe Williams is the preferable RB for the Packers to have in the game on 3rd-down passing situations (if they have a RB on the field -- can split TyMont wide, or keep Marcedes Lewis in to block if they're finding their O-line giving up a lot of pressure). Two more final thoughts: 1. I think Williams' skills as a RB are dramatically underrated. When you watch Aaron Jones, he seems to "pop" -- shot out of a cannon, some would describe it; more "explosive," certainly. Reminds me of Christine Michael during his brief time with the Packers (haven't watched a lot of him elsewhere) -- goes from 0 to 60 by the time he's got the ball, but seems to lack the vision to be a successful NFL RB. I love what Jones offers as a change of pace due to that "thunder and lightning" element he offers along with Williams. But a recent podcast I heard talked about Jordan Howard and why he's been so successful despite lacking the breakaway speed or, at least to my knowledge, freakish athleticism that gives him the elusiveness of guys like Kareem Hunt (or Jamaal Charles in his prime). The analyst on the podcast talked about how Howard knows how to run in traffic -- surrounded by bodies, some of whom are your teammates, most of whom aren't, but knowing how to move your body in relation to these other massive bodies (subconsciously predicting THEIR movements, while simultaneously physically breaking imperfect tackle attempts, etc.). I don't know if "vision" is the right word because that implies identification of cutback lanes (which a RB can also possess, but is not exactly what I'm talking about), nor is necessarily "patience" -- "feel" seems like a more accurate word. Essentially, Howard can get 3, 4, 5 yards per carry nearly at will due to his skills in this "feel" attribute, and I think Williams possesses it as well. Of course, an open running lane doesn't prevent him from getting a whole lot more than 3-5 yards, but (without looking up the stats and just going by intuition here) I feel like Howard is a guy who doesn't run for negative yardage all that often, and I think Williams shares this "feel" attribute of Howard's running style (though he's got more going for him than just that). (Side note: Williams and Howard have identical 40 times: 4.59 sec). I love Aaron Jones and think he plays a role in this offense when he comes back (I'm more skeptical of TyMont -- I think he's going to be more of a hybrid RB/WR this year than true RB, but that's pure speculation). 2. And one final thing: back when the Packers were producing single fantasy-relevant RBs (essentially one or two years of Lacy), remember what was a HUGE part of their game? Here's a hint. TL;DR: Draft Jamaal Williams and don't worry about him -- he's gonna crush it unless he gets injured.
  6. 23 points
    DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to excuse this play, but rather try to examine/analyze/critique it to explain what happened. In short/tl;dr: 1.) The play is an option design, not a downfield design. 2.) Trubisky was not staring down Burton. This is a misconception, and if he had seen him earlier in the play, it is hard to know how it would've played out for multiple reasons. 3.) Trubisky's biggest problem in the play was not failing to see Burton open, but rather failing to read the defense and realize that the Called Play had almost no chance of happening earlier. 4.) I also don't believe it helps that Trubisky keeps his head turned around for as long as he does. I don't know where he's supposed to stop this roll-out, but I think he went too far and looped too much. He needs to be tighter. First into the play design. This is really the first time in this play (something I'll cover later) in which Trubisky gets his head around to face the field. The play design here is obvious: it's a basic option design. Trubisky is playing off of Clay Matthews, hoping he can cut it inside or if Cohen can make it to the corner. If that doesn't work, Gabriel is running a safe route on the other side of the field. But the first two reads here are pass-out to Cohen or run it yourself, IMO, with the third being Turbo. I hate this play. I don't know if it's execution or Mitch's footwork, but I hate that he stops HERE. He's roughly 11 Yards from the LOS when he stops. He should be, IMO, keeping tighter to the 10 Yard line. This would force Clay Matthews to make a decision about whether he's going to dive on Trubisky or go after Cohen. You want Matthews to dive after you on this play. The goal of an option concept is to get the defense caught between two decisions, not to catch yourself in between these decisions. I don't know how this play is designed, so I don't know if Trubisky ran it the way he's supposed to. It makes more sense for me to either stop there, or follow a closer trajectory to the red line, staying closer to Clay Matthews and tempting him with bull rushing. Instead Trubisky goes an extra four yards south. That can't happen in this play design, and is the reason the play starts to fall apart IMO, as Trubisky has removed himself so much from everyone else. I'd also like to point out one more thing in this image as I transition to Burton on the play: I think this is what people miss the most about this play. This is the best point to know that Burton is going to be open. The left side of the defense is clearly trying to take away Gabriel's lane, and there's a big gaping hole in the middle of the field... BUT Trubisky, potentially through no fault of his own, has his BACK to the field. He can't know how the Defense is guarding Burton when he's got his back to the field. And again, note the safeties position that Burton is running towards. I think it's simply a misconception that Trubisky really even sees Burton. He's still clearly looking towards Cohen and the pylon of the end zone. I'll show it in the next image, but I believe that part of the reason the image looks SO bad is that the Safety is reading Trubisky's eyes, and following him to the Pylon. If Trubisky sees Burton, and pulls himself away to attack the middle of the field earlier, the safety may see it as well. But before moving on from THIS image, I think this image is actually what shows the real problem. For one, the DC ate Matt Nagy's breakfast on this call. It's a flat heavy coverage and the basic play design is to attack the left or right flat. But primarily, Trubisky needs to be a bit quicker at realizing that with 5 GB defenders in this very limited view towards the pylon, this entire play concept is going to fail. Again, the fact that his BACK his turned to the defense for so long I don't think helps him, but this play is pretty blown to the corner based on how GB is defending, and Trubisky ruins any chance of running it by drifting too far from the LOS. Later in the play he almost considers running, but doesn't think he can make it 14 yards to beat Clay. Maybe he could've made it 9-10. But as a mobile QB at the 3 Yard line, the last thing you want to do is be so far from the LOS that you don't even threaten the TD with the run. So again, play was doomed from the start. Bad call against this defense alignment. Trub probably should recognize that sooner. Look away sooner. But he also got his head turned around late and didn't want to improvise out of the design of the play. If he would've seen Burton earlier, he may have been able to get him the ball, but he wasn't looking that way. And I don't think the Safety does this if he isn't: The safety is breaking AWAY from the open Receiver. Now he doesn't see Burton, but presumably to me that is because Trubisky is still looking in that direction. This is the point of the play where, if he's going to make the throw, it is now. This is where he gets his opportunity. But if he were staring down or charting Burton's route, it would be one thing. But this is the first time the play design has allowed his head to get all the way to the middle of the field. If that weren't the case, I don't think the Safety Breaks so hard towards the pylon. He needs to take in the field better. But he wasn't staring down an open receiver standing in the end zone. I think Trubisky needs to diagnose this play a little quicker, but ultimately I think the biggest misconception is that he's looking at Burton. That camera angle just happens to catch the exact moment he can see Burton, but he hasn't been looking at him. He just brought his head back around. Could he take the shot? Sure. But for a young QB I understand why at this instant he decided to preserve the FG instead of risk the TD. I think he needs to make that pass a bit more instinctually, but ultimately I do think it comes down to the play design. Trubisky didn't want to exit the play design, and so he didn't. I don't think he got aided by having his back to the defense for so long. That's not a very comfortable spot for 3rd and 3. Not the brightest moment, but far from the farce the play seems when you actually review how it broke down. This is Madden logic run amok IMO. If Trubisky could see the whole field like we do on Tape, he'd have known how this play would develop. But he didn't see Burton until the absolute instant he would've had to release the ball. He would've had to see him and INSTANTLY thrown it. What's most likely to happen is that Nagy and Trubisky review this play, and the next time they run it Trubisky understands better that when the flats are looking tough, he needs to look for Burton/to the middle sooner in the progression, and not when it is already about to be too late.
  7. 22 points
    I don't see the point in worrying about production, game scripts, learning playbooks, volume concerns etc. No one drafts Josh Gordon for safety. He is a complete dart throw lotto ticket. All owners need to hear is that he's off the Browns and with the Patriots. We weren't guaranteed anything on Cleveland so just enjoy the move away from the Factory of Sadness to a legit championship caliber organization with the best HC and QB of all time. His prospects for success have increased dramatically with the move alone in my book. Main thing to worry about for me is his anxiety issues. Anyone who's dealt with sobriety anxiety knows relapse is like the devil right around every corner. I give him crazy props on being clean and seeking mental counseling because that takes major courage and strength to face. You take a shot on Gordon because he's one of the most premier talents you've ever seen. He will win your league if he hits. If safety is more your thing I would trade him immediately because his value might never be higher right now. Otherwise, you hold onto Flash for dear life and accept the fact that you might go down with the ship.
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  9. 21 points
    Mike Clay‏Verified account @MikeClayNFL FollowFollow @MikeClayNFL More BREAKING: Browns tried to release Josh Gordon, but accidentally filed paperwork signing him to a 5-year, $94 million extension.
  10. 21 points
    There are some brutal takes here. There’s a post on the previous page that provides some good color to what actually happened yesterday. Dixon wasn’t a threat in the least to Collins’ touches yesterday. All of his touches and I think all his snaps came after Flacco, Collins, and a bunch of other starters were pulled 5 minutes into the 3rd. It was 40-0. 40. 0. There’s a division road game Thursday. Pretend that Dixon didn’t see the field because that was going to be the case if the game were competitive. Buck Allen saw a lot of work but we knew a second back was going to see action. Or at least you should have known that when you drafted Collins. Collins saw 18-22 touches over the last half of the year last year. That’s what you’re looking for and he was on pace to get that outside of the fumble* and the blowout. Collins saw 6 carries prior to his fumble then was benched for 2 drives and Buck saw a 3rd drive in the 2 minute drill which would have been his role anyways. Collins also had a 14 yard run negated by a hold, a negative run negated by an offsides, and a botched handoff from Flacco. That’s 6 touches (9 attempted) in the first quarter+ of action. Then he sat because of the fumble/game situation. Then came back out in the second half and saw 2 more touches on the first 5 snaps of the second half before it was 40-0 and he along with lots of other starters were rested. That’s 8 touches (11 attempted) in 23 minutes of game action. Another hot issue for Collins was red zone usage. He had the 7 yard td run. He was in the next time they were inside the 10 as well. And he was in on another series inside the 10 where he caught a pass, had a run, then was in for a td pass to Boyle that was negated by a penalty. He was also in as described in that other post for Buck’s td plunge. Sometimes they pitch that ball wide to Collins after a fake to Buck but there was no way they were going to do that in the conditions yesterday. In summation, his usage was tracking to be the exact same as last year, plus he was in the game for the vast majority of the touches inside the 10. And Dixon didn’t have any run with the starters. These are good things.
  11. 20 points
  12. 19 points
    Le’Veon Bell as a handcuff for Conner
  13. 18 points
    Kerryon does not have the tackling skills to be out there yet...They need players who can stop pick 6's on the field
  14. 17 points
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  16. 17 points
    How bad is Trubisky? He looked off Burton and threw left on this play but if he follows his first read and throws this ball, how is this not a TD?
  17. 17 points
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  19. 16 points
    in a slow draft. round 14. just woke up, and it's my pick. james connor talk all over Twitter. sees Simba gif. presses 'draft'. profit.
  20. 16 points
  21. 15 points
    Now this is the Josh Gordon thread I remember!!
  22. 15 points
    It's crazy how people slept on this guy in the first 3 rounds.
  23. 15 points
    I was at Jets camp last month as a fan. Noticed that Bates runs strict WCO and Enunwa was the focal point of the team's offense in the middle of the field. Drafted in 4/6 teams. My best advice is to drop 20+ % FAAB or #1 claims on him. Good bet for 80+ catches
  24. 15 points
    How did you manage to spell his name 3 different ways in the same comment
  25. 15 points
    For those who already have Conner
  26. 15 points
  27. 15 points
    https://mobile.twitter.com/l_bell26/status/587031833289850881 same picture from Bell in 2015
  28. 14 points
    Legend has it Garcon is still blocking that safety to this day.
  29. 14 points
    Hold on, guys - QuincyEnunwasCleats raised some good points above.
  30. 14 points
    That won't be rain. That will be defensive back's tears.
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  32. 14 points
    This is why my league waits to draft until week 16.
  33. 14 points
    Hi. Quote Train Choo Choo This is arguably the worst thread to attempt to have an intelligent discussion, but just a refresher, since I don't expect anyone to read all 90 pages.
  34. 14 points
    Ben Simmons makes a three point shot.
  35. 13 points
    Still a better pick than Amari Cooper.
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  38. 13 points
    I told my wife I'd unload the dishwasher at halftime. I'm actually looking forward to it...
  39. 13 points
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/03/49ers-mckinnon-puts-on-brave-face-while-morris-breida-spy-bigger-roles/ Dude's sitting on the couch 2 weeks ago then comes right in and throws shade!
  40. 13 points
    Morris has 3 1000+ yard, 7+ td seasons on the resume in this same scheme, averaged 4.8 ypc last season, and has an uncontested path to 15-20 touches per game. But let’s all invent reasons why he’s a bad play. That’s how you win, alright. #sarcasm.
  41. 12 points
    Officially a Patriot. Guess that means he passed his physical. Happy days.
  42. 12 points
    Where can I find your fantasy football advice podcast?
  43. 12 points
    Anyone know how to change a screen name?
  44. 12 points
    then what was last week's 8 touch/14 yd w/fumble? his basement?
  45. 12 points
    Good call. I don’t think many were gonna start their 2nd rounder
  46. 12 points
    Lmao!!! I’ll just call him JC Slater because he is Saved by the Bell!!!
  47. 12 points
    Is Burton playing the role of Moses in this production of “The Ten Commandments”?
  48. 12 points
    Yeah, these gifs are overused, but it works... Me all offseason: And then by the end of week 1:
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