I would like to suggest that Randy Moss is one of the most valuable fantasy player out there. Here is why:

He has too big a name to bench. Every WR ranking has him top 10 or so every week. This guarantees that some sap in your league [see me] is going to post weak numbers at their WR1 spot. Randy Moss would have been more valuable to my team, if he was playing on someone else's. Not because the guy I would start in his place would have great numbers but because he would handicap his owners WR1 spot all season.

When waivers resolve this week, hi is going to be a free agent in my league.

I'm gonna go ahead and call your bluff on that last part. And predict a TD for Randy in the second half. Nice usage of the reverse jinx.

I am cursed this year. I traded Colston right before the game last Sunday for Randy Moss. Colston blew up, after I stuck with him all year dying, and Moss did little. Now Moss is putting up the goose egg through 1 half of football tonight. I give up.

shhh...the guy i'm playing this week has randy and cassel....

again.......SHHHHHHHH!!!

I hope you're right. I will be sure to cap this thread with a link to our waiver wire next week.

like to point out, moss only had 22rcyd against the jets in week 2...

I think Cassel is trying his best not to hit Moss lol

i agree... and it seems like Moss is blocking for everyone else... even on pass plays he's blocking...

jesus christ, should i drop moss for watson?

i take back all the bad things i said!!!!!

He waited until there was a single tick left but he delivered.

8 points is hardly worth going crazy over.

yeah man that cassel blows too...400 yds, 3 td , 2pt cnv. and 62 rush yds....so far anyway..lol

i get fractional points... so 8.60! ... much better than the 1 he had... not to mention, more opportunities in OT I hope.

Moss, meet my waiver wire. Let him be someone else's headache.

Yeah, top 25 receivers blow.

Stupid...he was wide open for that 40 yard touchdown when he broke inside and Cassel threw it outside.... horrible

his stats are padded by 3 good games. do you own Moss? he is a lousy start because there is better fantasy potential that i always bench because "this is going to be the week that Moss..." with him being my #1 draft pick, i am lucky to still be in playoff contention. i managed that in spite of Moss. the weeks that i recorded wins were usually when i was fortunate enough to make up for his weak WR1 production with a WR2 or 3. with 3 weeks left before my leagues playoffs, i need to win. the best chance of winning is to play the guys that have the highest ceiling. for example, bradley. the guy is on fire and deserves a start over moss. most would advise "you can't bench your #1 pick". i'm not, i'm dropping him to the wire (trade deadline is past). hopefully his new owner will start him because "this is going to be the week that Moss..." and his WR1 will score the Moss special that i've been getting all year.

he is handicapping my team and the easiest way to move on is a clean break. goodbye randy. we had some good Sundays but this ride is over.

by the way, IMO, when you are talking about your WR1, anything other than a top 10 WR pretty much does blow.

oh, and Randy, i hope you are reading this.

One thing... He was only projected for 8.40 points in my league... he got 8.6... lol

He was projected around 10 in my league and he pulled in just over 10. Cant complain about that....except I benched him just before Gametime. Now I gotta hope Bowe or MJD(whichever I start) outscore him. All game long I thought I made the right decision, then he goes and scores a TD.

Good news....the team Im playing benched L. Washington right before gametime as well!!! had 22+ i think.

So what you're saying is that if a player's value changes over the course of the season and he no longer nets what you had projected when you drafted him, you should drop him even if he's still producing on the season as a whole? Or is this just for WR1s?

I'm sure the Ocho, TJHoush & Holt owners will gladly pick Moss off waivers and plug them in without breaking a sweat. That maybe the dumbest move and rationale for a drop I've ever heard.

I just dropped Holt, but Im not Dropping Moss(I can afford to bench him for now). Doesnt make sense to drop him, he hasnt had first pick value but he has more value than anyone on 99% of waiver wires. I suggest this guy just bench him, if not then maybe Moss will come back some week before the end to get payback on a ungrateful owner! Im thinkin in week 16 if my game still matterd he will be in my lineup against ARI.

He's mentioned more than once that he dropped Moss due to his crappy 1st half. I guess he'd rather stick with the likes of Stuckey & Matt Jones over Moss. He's promised a link to his league transactions showing he dropped Moss; like that proves anything other than how stupid the move actually is. I would jump on Moss in any league if he's dropped - I promise.

it wasn't a change over the season. it was a change in the first quarter of game 1. you guys are not Moss owners and have not had to deal with 11 weeks of frustration. your logic is exactly why i am dropping him. his presence on my roster is interfering with my better judgement to start people that have more upside. you guys blindly accuse me of being stupid without even knowing what other players i have. seriously, moss is inconsistent at best. i am frustrated and fed up with him. i didn't say the move followed ever "fantasy football rule". i'm trying to win. not finish the season with a losing team but the consolation that i "followed all the rules but my guys just didn't produce".

to those of you that would "jump on Moss in any league if he's dropped - I promise." i am sure you would. which refers back to the beginning of this thread. he has hurt my team a lot more than help it and it's not going to get better before the year is out. moss is phased out of that offense and he doesn't even try. if you want a guy on your team that stops a route as soon as a guy like ty law puts a hand on his shoulder, go for it. again, after 11 weeks of watching him disappoint (save a few games) he has nearly cost me my season and i am sick of having him on my team.

no Rkapur, i am not an idiot. if all i had to play in his place was chanci stuckey i would need to not only keep Moss but start him. thank you for presuming i am in that situation. by the way, thank you for proving my point. with my leagues scoring format, matt jones has outscored moss 62-48 in the past 4 games. but of course his name isn't randy moss so why would anyone ever think of matt jones having more value?

i am not suggesting there is logic to this. it is a bold move and a lot is a result of frustration, but at this point of the season i think it is justified. if you try to analyze it with your fantasy football manual i am sure it won't compute for you. going against the norm has won me a lot more championships than doing what everyone expects.

If this guy drops moss this week everybody trade for him next week. It will be a gauranteed 3 TD 140+ yd performance!!!!

now that i really do believe

Well, if you drop him that will happen....

and if i keep him? either way, i just can't win!

WONDERFUL...down by 38 points...just gravy!


i think the replay showed that he didn't catch it cleanly w/ his foot inbounds...i'm protesting.....1 jets first down is all i needed...

Wrong I am a Moss Owner!! 1st round pick also, my 2nd round pick was LJ. I know how you feel and I too am frustrated. Im not dropping him, thought about trading him though, but nothing got worked out so Ill keep him. I feel he is better than any WW guy and I think he still has value. Im man enough to put him and his big name on the bench. No guy on my team has a big enough name to be a locked in starter each week. His roster spot right now is worth it, if I get 1 decent game out of him. With no more bye weeks, I got 2-3 spots on my roster that probably wont see the starting lineup anymore. I think he still has value and could be a nice flex starter for someone, Im not willing to gamble and drop him so someone else can have him.

I thought it was pretty clear that he was dragging his foot right when the ball was caught. Regardless, that catch saved my week. Whew! I literally walked into the bar and that was the first play I saw. I looked at the score and thought, wow Moss must have gone crazy in the 2nd. Well he didn't, but I'll still take that miraculous catch.

that does make sense. it's just been hard for me to make myself bench him.

So what if you lose with Moss man. I'd rather play him every week and go down than pick up some stiff that had a good week and pray. I mean if you are gonna lose, at least do it with the guy that had the single greatest receiving season of all time last year.

Mike. I guess the question that remains is who will you drop Moss for?!?!?

Instead of cutting him because he isn't producing like a WR1, why don't you just change the way you rank him, and consider him a WR2 or WR3. If there's a guy on your roster that is consistently outperforming him, then start calling him your WR1 in your mind.

I imagine as soon as you remove the WR1 tag and stop expecting huge games from Moss, you will realize that he's still a very good WR2 or WR3. And whoever you use to supplant him as your WR1 will probably begin disappointing you on a weekly basis.

Basically, it's all about expectations, and I don't own Randy but if I did I'd probably stop labeling him a WR1 and just accept the fact that my team probably has a bunch of WR2/WR3s. It's like in fantasy baseball when you have a bunch of #2 starters but no true ace. It doesn't mean you can't have a really strong rotation. But just because Chad Billingsley is your top starter doesn't mean you can expect Johan Santana numbers.

And if this is all about you getting duped by projections...you should probably put less stock in what the so called experts prognosticate. The safe prediction is always going to be 70 yards and a TD because it's right smack in the middle of what he's capable of on a good night (100+ yards and 2 TDs) and what he's capable of on a real bad night (20 something yards, no TD).

I traded moss the 3rd week of the year and I am in 1st place. it was definitely the biggest and best decision I made this season

I know its hard, this week was the first week I benched him, and look he scored 10pts. Not alot but more than he has had a few times this year. Anyways take this mans advice, i did.



Moss was my WR1 from the get go, WR2 was T. Holt, WR3 Galloway so with that said I had to make some moves.

I traded for Jennings to be my WR1, Moss slips to WR2

Then Prior to last week I traded for R. White....Jennings to WR2, Moss to WR3(flex). With the addition of Bowe(WW) Moss got benched this week and is a situational play at my Flex from here on out! I gave up on him as WR1 a long time ago.

Before the season I ended up trading Randy moss for Steve Smith and Marion Barber, worked out pretty well...well except for the Marion Barber sucking with Romo out part.

just to shed some light, this is my RB/WR situation, scoring is 1 point per reception.

RBs
Addai
Reggie Bush
Larry Johnson
Deuce

WRs
Donald Driver
Randy Moss
Steve Smith
Mark Bradley
(i just dropped marvin harrison to pick up bradley)

i can start 3 RBs or 3 WRs.

i just need to be more disciplined about benching him. i appreciate the advice to consider him a WR2/3. it's difficult when you draft someone as your WR1 to do that.

by thursday i will probably have stepped off the ledge. thanks for letting a guy vent.

Could be worse. I kept Braylon over TO and Marshall. He was supposed to be my #1. He's barely my #4 at this point.
I've gone through the Moss days and I feel your pain. I had him in his last season with the Vikes when he was a stud and kept him for a season and a half with the Raiders. It was painful, but I had to start sitting him. He just wasn't playing hard. Collinsworth pointed that out a few times last night that it looked like Randy was dogging it again. Just bench him for now. Don't drop him.

Yeah your team is alright. Moss doesnt need to be your #1 guy anymore. Sit him in favor of Driver and Smith almost every week. Like I said he isnt a bad flex guy, 10pts (what he got in my league, 1/2 PPR) is decent for a flex guy.

And vent anytime you want!!

As long as you understand that cutting Randy Moss is more about revenge than common sense, then I'm fine with it. It's your team after all.

If you waive him, then you are extremely fortunate.

Sure he might not be the #1 he once was, and I'd rather have Fitzgerald, Johnson, Boldin, Smith, Marshall, and a half dozen or more guys over him. But he would be anyone's enviable #2 and anyone's joke of a #3 (if you start 3).

I'm guessing that top waiver priority is salivating. And I dare you to drop him.

Bumpage

Cassell is coming into his own, which means Moss is coming into his own. I told you to play your studs and hope for the best. (in the end it is 50/50 skill to luck, shrug) Today was the best.

Cassell looks like he found his groove with Moss. Could return to WR1 status.

125 yds and 3 TDs lol

Did the OP eventually drop Moss, or was it just a vent? I wonder if he is going to jump back into this thread?

I'm getting the popcorn ready...

Great thread!

wow. Nice job bud.