I'm surprised no ones posted this up yet in the forums.

Sports Radio 810 WHB in Kansas City reports that the Red Sox have traded Coco Crisp to the Royals in exchange for Ramon Ramirez.
Former Royals outfielder Brian McRae broke the story, which hasn't been confirmed elsewhere. Ramirez had an excellent rookie year for the Rockies in 2006 before struggling in 2007, but bounced back following a trade to the Royals last season, posting a 2.64 ERA and 70/31 K/BB ratio in 71 2/3 innings. Dealing for Crisp would leave the Royals with a very crowded outfield and could indicate that the team is on the verge of dealing Mark Teahen or David DeJesus.

Crisp's stock rises with this trade. He'll be an everyday player with the Royals. Could be a steal in later rounds looking for steals. It looks as though Mark Teahen is on his way out, no way the Royals trade DeJesus.

The Sox could use some more bullpen help. I thought Coco might be able to net more, but trading depth for need is best in the long run for the Sox success. Good luck in KC Coco.

White Sox could've used him in CF. Bleh.
Now he goes to baseball hell.

What are the odds Teahen plays in Wrigley next year now?

I'd rather play Reed Johnson everyday then use Teahen. Not sure why the Cubs would want him. They should simply sign Abreu.

Pretty decent. Although I've read speculation that the Cubs could sign Abreu to play RF.

Projected Cubs OF: LF:Fonz, CF: Reed Johnson-Fuku platoon, RF: Teahen or Abreu.

I'm not sure who is better defensively, Teahen or Abreu...

As a full time bench player? It's possible. Not a friggin chance as a starter or in a platoon though.

Bittersweet for me right now...I love Coco, he's a VERY solid 4th outfielder who proved to be very valuable last year with Drew's injury, Ellsbury's inconsistency, and Manny's stupidity. I really like Ramirez as a reliever though, and maybe he can be what we thought Delcarmen could've been last year.

I must say this helps my EBHD team out a lot though, seeing how Coco should be the starting CF in KC for a few years with them probably trading away DeJesus or Teahen.

Best of luck to Coco, solid ballplayer.

I'd guess Teahen mainly because Abreu looks lost in RF at times

as a yankees fan i have to say abreu is the worse of the two...he is PETRIFIED of running into the wall

This trade seems to be a set up for something bigger. I imagine the Sox are freeing up some cash for a big signing.

The Sox have huge money to spend. I don't see how freeing up $6.25 million changes anything.

Yankee fans please note this when looking at the trade market for Melky Cabrera. Crisp is as good offensively as Melky, with much better speed and defense, yet he netted a 27 year old middle reliever.

Yes, I realize Melky is younger, but he hasn't improved at all in the last 3 years, so I don't know why anyone expects some big improvement. And I also realize that he's cheaper and can be owned for another 3 years vs. Crisps 1 more, but neither are real difference makers.

I'm a Yankees fan and I'd have traded Melky for Crisp even if there was a $10 million difference in salaries. Other than a strong throwing arm, Melky brings absolutely nothing to the table right now.

I didn't like it at first because I thought Covelli should have been packaged in a deal for a catcher, but considering the bullpen woes last year, I'll take the young Martinez whose under control for a while.

Hmmmm this bettter increase Ramon Ramirez's value in leagues.

Its a good trade for the RedSox, Ramirez has some real nice stuff, and his other shots in the majors were with the Rockies.

Francesa seems to think that the Crisp deal to KC opens up the possibility of the Royals moving DeJesus to the Yankees, good fit?

I think if the Yankees did that they would have to find someone to take Matsui or Damon off of our hands

Doubt it. Dejesus will probably end up at a corner spot with Teahen being moved.

It's possible but I imagine KC wanting to deal Teahen and move DeJesus to LF.

I've been hearing rumors about David Dejesus coming for possibly Pie and Cedeno.

I can see the direction Dayton Moore is going, but I'm not convinced it's the best route. While Crisp is a much more solid acquisition than Jacobs since he provides great D at a premium position, and has a team option for 2010 that's OK at 8M, he provides at best slightly above-average production in the OF - although it's better because he's the CF. But, they subtract by putting DeJesus at corner OF (since he was a good value at CF offensively, but becomes average at LF/RF). I guess if Moore can turn DeJesus or Teahen into something of value, it would work out - but that's the only way I really like the deal for the Royals. Otherwise, while I think he's a pretty good fit (and much better than Jacobs @ 1B), they're giving up the one asset that everyone's looking for (cheap pitching), and I think they're actually selling low.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not sold on Ramirez as a huge difference maker, and certainly not a closer-in-waiting - but I do think he's a very effective 7th inning and ROOGY guy. Now, normally people say bullpen is the easiest to fill, but keep in mind that the best MR's are getting 4-5M per year on the market for multiple years, and more importantly, most of them are Type A FA's - which means teams have to pony up a 1st (or 2nd-round draft pick if they're a bottom-half team). Because the Sox get a very effective MR at pre-arbitration costs for at least 1 (if not 2) years, then only have to go to arbitration (which is definitely not friendly to MR's), they're making out with HUGE value instead of getting a MR on the market and potentially having to give up draft picks *and* extra $ - and *that's* why I love the deal for the Sox.

Now, while it's been pointed out Boston need a C, there's no way Crisp was getting them one of the Texas C's, so I credit Theo for getting a cheap bullpen arm that should help solidify their 6th/7th inning woes - and for those who wonder how much of an impact it has, I'd say it probably has the greatest impact on the playoff teams - they have the deepest bullpens, and I dont' believe it's a coincidence. Put another way - you replace Ramirez for Mike Timlin, and we might be talking a whole different outcome to the ALCS (not to mention many games down the stretch, when the 'pen got used a lot with the injury concerns with Beckett) - might only be 3-4 games over a season, but in a short series or playoffs, even 1 game is crucial - and so I love the move for a contender (while I wouldn't necessarily love it for a middle-of-the-pack team).

BS unless you can give me a link. That's highway robbery for the Cubs.

The only player rumored to the Cubs is Teabags.

It was actually just a suggestion Rotoworld made...

The Cubs are showing interest in acquiring Mark Teahen from the Royals, the Kansas City Star reports.
The Cubs have aimed for David DeJesus before, and he'd still make a lot more sense as a target for the team than Teahen, who would likely be a below average right fielder. The Star suggests Felix Pie as a possible return for Teahen, but that'd be an awful trade for the Cubs. Pie and Ronny Cedeno for DeJesus would be a reasonable deal.

As for the actual trade, I think the key thing for the Red Sox is that it frees up Masterson, who can now slide into the rotation or be traded for help elsewhere, such as a C from Texas (which Crisp was never going to net them)

How is Ramirez not considered a closer of the future? He was one of the best setup men in the Al last year with a stellar ERA and a great strikeout rate. This deal is lopsided in the sox favor if you ask me.

look at his whip

not my ideal closer

More importantly, he struggles mightily against LH batters. Useful guy, for sure. Closer? Can't really see it.

(If anyone is closing on the Sox in the next 3-4 years besides Papelbon, I'd bet it's Daniel Bard).

Thank you.

I think DeJesus is seriously undervalued. You're getting a guy who's going to OPS .800+, play good defense in CF or great defense in LF/RF. That's pretty damn valuable...a tools guy who hasn't put anything together and a no hit SS isn't going to get it done. I like the idea of getting Pie for teh Royals, but not for DeJesus unless there is more involved.

It might have something to do with #58 in Boston right now, in addition to his statistics and mental makeup (I have no knowledge of his mental makeup, just a thought).

the Royals would NEVER get Pie for Teahen. Why the hell would the Cubs do that. They may be looking at Teahen, but he wouldn not be an everyday player for them. Bench player at best. I won't even want to cross that bridge until we get there. The sports radios werew also talking about Dejesus, it just wasn't a rumor. But of course, thats just talk.

Bard has dominated since moving from the rotation to the bullpen. I agree with your statement 100%.

Teahen for Pie WAS a rumor though, although it was shot down since the addition of Crisp.

Teahen for Marshall or Fontenot could be a trade, I would not be surprised. I am not just talking out of my ass here either. You can believe me if you want.

That would actually be a solid trade for both IMO, and seems realistic.

I can't believe this thread has as many posts as it does.

Kansas City is focused on Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot in talks with the Cubs about Mark Teahen.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-2...0,2640085.story

OK, but why would the Cubs want Mark Teahen??? Like what are they thinking? Do they look to make him their starting rightfielder?!?! If thats the case, way to suck it up. There's so many better players out there that they could trade for (IM LOOKING AT YOU JEREMEY HERMIDA) and they could move Marshall or Fontenot or both for someone else. But not Teahen. The Cubs getting Teahen for one of thoser guys would make me upset. Ugh.....

Yeah, the Cubs already have an equal (better?) version in Fukudome.