What a bloody pile of lumber this kid is. I mean, stay in the f*cking game for once and try and do something useful. The guy just jumps up for everything, and is a foul machine. His spot on the bench probably has a dent by now considering the amount of time he spends there due to his stupidity. Seriously though, "he's totaled just 18 points, seven rebounds, four blocks and 16 fouls in his last three games" (Rotoworld.com).

I mean, for a 7'0'' kid who's been hyped up since conception, I'd expect at least 9 pts / 10 rebs / 1.5 blks, with nice %ages. What a waste of a pick this kid was. Luckily I was able to get Nene for this scrub.

Definitely a dissapointment, but if you look at his games, his main problem is staying on the court. Whether it was an early season injury or foul truoble.

In games where he plays 29 minutes or more he is averaging 14-11 and 1.7blks.

Avoinding foul trouble is not uncommon for rookie big men. Of course, non of this makes people feel better about wasting a draft pick on him.

Young big men take time to learn in this league. Give him a few years.

Yeah, a few years? Guys like Shaq, Brand and Howard didn't suck this much, and they were hyped up just as much as Oden. They came into the league and started giving 20/10 potential from the get go. Oden sucks

but Oden was well known for not being polished on the scoring end.

Howard only averaged 10-10 in his first 50 games of his career and Howard was not coming off an injury where he was shut down for an entire year.

OTOH, Andris Biedrins was a hacking machine early in his career.


Also - I wouldn't be surprised if Oden was being hyper-aggressive defensively because Portland knows that Przybilla is a more than capable backup. There's not much drop-off between the two, so if Oden gets in foul trouble it's not a big deal for the Blazers. Whereas for other high picks, like a Rose or Durant, it's a huge problem for their teams if they get in foul trouble because there's no credible backups, so those guys play less aggressively on defense.

I think he is really a born Zambian with a passport age of 36. Look at the guy.

I was never high on this dude, ever. Even from highschool, it was clear his size was all he had going for him. The notion that it takes time can go either way, but it ain't taking O.J. Mayo anytime, that dude is just flat out talented. Sure as hell didn't take Shaq or Dwight (two similar big men I've followed being from Orlando) anytime at all, because they are(were) athletic freaks to go along with the size.

Noticing my screen name you might think I'm biased - I probably am. But people ready to say "Oden sucks" are really ignorant. Remember when Amare came back from his micro-fracture surgery initially? People were mourning the loss of one of the leagues bright young stars. It takes two years to full recover from micro-fracture surgery. Add in the fact that he never played a second of NBA basketball before the surgery, and it becomes very short-sighted and premature to say "Oden sucks". You're an idiot if you drafted Oden and expected reasonable and consistent fantasy production out of him this year. Give the guy a break. He's going to be a very nice player and a dominant big man in the league . . . just not this year. Wow.

I also was never that high on him but his defensive skills was what always intrigued me. You cant really compare him to shaq or howard, as when they came in having some offensive skill. As he matures learns to limit his fouls, this kid can be mutombo lite. Hes not asked to do much at this point in the year except be a force on the defensive end. If Portland needed a scorer, they would have went with durant instead. Besides, you cant really call him a bust yet since hes what, 20 years old?

It didn't take Dwight anytime at all? First 10 games in the NBA:
Dwight: 29 mpg, 7.6 pts, 10.9 reb, 2.1 blk, 2.8 fouls, 48.3% FG
Oden: 20 mpg, 8.5 pts, 7.1 reb, 1.6 blk, 3.7 fouls, 52.7% FG

Also - a large part of many rookie's successes is that was they went to loser teams and are given free reign because even if they screwed up it didn't really matter - the team wasn't going anywhere anyways. ORL was going to bench Howard and play who? Mario Kasun? Kelvin Cato?

Greg Oden is coming in as a rookie on a winning team, one that's in 1st place. Portland doesn't have time to let Oden learn from his mistakes on the court and give him a long leash, they're trying to win games now.


And you gotta be kidding me with this Shaq comparison stuff. Every rookie in the last 15 years sucks compared to Shaq.

Rose sucks compared to Shaq. Mayo sucks compared to Shaq. Durant sucks compared to Shaq. Yao sucks compared to Shaq. Brand sucks compared to Shaq. Gasol sucks compared to Shaq. Roy sucks compared to Shaq. Paul sucks compared to Shaq. Iverson sucks compared to Shaq. Lebron sucks compared to Shaq. Heck, TIM DUNCAN sucks compared to Shaq.

i was high on him.
i saw him play in college, and he totally dominated other teams.
i was thinking he'd be the next Dwight Howard or Okafor type of player.
but, obviously he's not even close to either of those players.
i guess his surgically-repaired leg does have something to do with it. he doesn't look half as strong/dominant/talented as he did in college.
and the sad thing is, he may never be the same player he used to be again.

I went back and looked at Shaq's stats. He set several career highs during his rookie season.

Rebounds - 1122
Blocks -286
TOs - 307
PFs - 321
Games Played - 81

I'd say he's close to both of them, at least where they were as rookies.

Put Oden on Memphis, tell him to play weak D so he doesn't get in foul trouble, give him 30 mpg, and he'd be at or near a double-double with 2+ blocks and 50+% FG.

Put Derrick Rose or OJ Mayo on the Lakers and they'd be doing little more than spotting up with an occassional drive to the rim.

Shaq also played 3 years of college. Oden has just 1 year of college under his belt.

If you traded away Oden, then why start a hate thread on him again? Why do you even care?

Portland is loaded. Przybilla would start on a lot of teams at center right now, he's playing the best ball of his career.

Oden just played one year of college hoops and took a whole year off, I think this is to be somewhat expected. Were expectations too high for him? Yes. Do we need a new hate thread every month on this board? No.

Anybody expecting anything out of him this year (especially fantasy wise) should be mad at themselves not him.  He doesn't control the hype around him, so you can't blame him for that.  Like someone said earlier in this post...he's coming off a major surgery which kept him out for a whole season and he only has one year of college ball played...No need to start calling him a bust and cursing him because you may have wasted a pick on him based off somebody's #75 ranking.  

the topic said why he was 75. Not talking about his future.

Why are you so upset that you got duped by the hype surrounding him?

Big men who have a huge impact are the exception, not the rule. You named Shaq, a Hall of Famer and one of the most dominant centers to ever play the game, and Howard, who is a freak of nature. Brand's not even a center, so I have no idea why you even bring him into the discussion.

Your tiny 10 game sample size means nothing to me, I actually watched those games, and the stats don't tell everything. It's very clear Oden will never be the player Howard is. But that isn't what this thread is supposed to be about.

Good points on the rest of your post, but as someone else said, Oden has absolutely no offensive game. Look up your stats, I could be mistaken but Im pretty sure over 90% of his points are off dunks. It's purely speculation on my part, but I don't believe Oden will ever live up to his #1 overall hype.

Don't know why everyone gets so touchy when people express their opinion. Im from Orlando, excuse me for bringing Shaq into the conversation..

im a pissed off greg oden owner...

i will say this in his defense...

he does not suck...hes just playing timidly and of course he would, when he averages nearly 6 fouls per 38 minutes or so...
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he is/was doing very well given his minutes and due to the fact that he took a year off to repair his knee and because coaching is easing his way into a winning roster..

after the last few games...what was once a joke about oden fouling out of games has become a near epidemic and something im sure the coaching staff will address...

ive seen a handful of odens fouls and usually they are because opponents are driving past him and he steps in their way...a slow reaction...his timing and placement need work...he needs to be more conscious of his surroundings...

keep in mind, this has NOTHING to do with his talent...i actually think hes going to be a terrific rebounder and shotblocker...just give the kid time...

hes far away from being a bust at this point...and hes actually doing pretty well... its something the coaching staff will need to work with him in adjusting...i think we should be seeing changes soon...

the fact that Brandon Roy is a ballhog doesn't help Oden either.

anyone want to take a guess as in when he'll receive his 5th foul?

my guess is sometime early in the 3rd quarter...

Well hes facing Toronto. Bosh and JON arent exactly the best front court around so I say he doesnt get in foul trouble plays 30 minutes and posts a double-double.

dang it!

you called it...

but its half time...and oden still has time to pick up 4 fouls with the next quarter...

i feel bad for all the people who dropped Oden recently.
he's on fire!

i was about to trade his ass for a real player...like larry hughes...

luckily i refrained...

...

wtf...yahoo had him down for a block and now when i check...its not there!

g
rrrrrrrrrrr

damn ms cleo..you were on point

I dropped Greg Oden recently. He's one of my favorite players in the league--maybe my favorite--on my favorite current team, no less. He's still sitting on FA, and I have no intention of picking him up, nor does anyone else in my league for the time being.

16/10 with 1 block and good percentages is a nice game, to be sure, but as a single big performance surrounded by weeks of forgettable games, I am not impressed, even with his upside. He'll have to show me a lot more over the coming weeks to be rosterable, let alone "on fire" or a reason to "feel bad" for the competition.

How exactly do consider B.Roy a ballhog?

9 Assists tonight. Averaging over 5 a game.

That kid is a complete player, and runs a well balanced offense. The fact that he has that extra gear that makes him unstoppable at times doesnt make him a ballhog, it makes him a leader. There are only 3 SG's in the league that average more assists per game. And 14 players in the league average more shot attempts per game then Brandon, all 14 players are the star player for their respective teams, just like Brandon is for his team.

Roy is breaking out this season, and is making a name for himself. Its about time people start including him with the rest of the NBA's elite.

even Coach Mac-10 agrees with me:

Update: Coach Nate McMillan said he would start reducing Roy’s minutes in order to preserve him for the entire season, the Oregonian reports.

Recommendation: “My thing will be to rotate him and get him out, and go with our second unit, regardless of what the score is,” McMillan said. “And that’s hard at times. But we have to have the rest of the team have an opportunity to play. I have to see what I’ve got there.” McMillan’s goal is to play Roy around 35 mpg. Roy played 38 minutes in Saturday’s win over the Raptors, so it may it doesn’t look like owners should worry too much about McMillan’s new plan. Still, if McMillan follows through, Roy’s production could drop slightly while seeing less action.

Shaq is a once in a generation player - if anyone was expecting a Shaq-like impact from Oden, they were drunk.

The 10 game sample is from their each's first 10 NBA games, and it was as obvious from the numbers as it was from watching that Howard didn't exactly explode onto the NBA scene. Okafor won Rookie of the Month in both November and December of 2004, while Howard won squat.

Yes, Oden has limited a offensive game for now. Rookie Howard was mostly all dunks too. So was rookie Andrew Bynum.

I don't see how you can say "it's clear Oden will never be as good as Howard," when Oden's played all of 25 games while coming off a major injury, and while rehabbing from a minor one. Never is a long time.

I remember hearing that same stuff back when it was supposedly "clear" that Dirk Nowtizki (8 pts, 3 reb as a rookie) would "never" be as good as Keith Van Horn (20 pts, 7 reb as a rookie the year before). I'm from LA, and I can tell you that after 25 games at least half of the Laker fans in town were ready to deal Bynum to NY for Channing Frye.

Nate is speaking of his playing time, not his shooting?

Nothing in this quote says B.Roy is a ballhog?

oh please. the only one scoring for the Blazers lately is Brandon Roy.
are you telling me he's the only one capable of scoring points for the team? no.
everyone else's scoring numbers are down, while Roy's scoring numbers are way up.
Nate's right. there's too much Brandon Roy, while the Blazers are actually talented enough to not have to rely on him to score.
this is good news now, for the owners of other Blazers. Rudy's numbers could go back up again. Aldridge's numbers will become more consistent. even Oden could see a boost in scoring. Outlaw, etc.

can this dickhead ever get through a game with fewer than 5 fouls?!

ARRRGGGG


this idiot fouled pierce as he was making a shot...

22 seconds left, with portland having a 1 point advantage over the celtics...

arrrrrg

That was a good play, I think Oden was very close to drawing a charge there. Pierce made a wild shot. Oden was the difference in this win over the Celtics.

Keep it going Oden!

he was

it shows, he was able to log heavy minutes...


hes had 2 good games in a row now...can he keep this up?

Just when you think he's turned the corner, he lays consecutive eggs.

It's the fouls... he has to stop getting these stupid fouls...

Yeah, it really comes down to playing time due to foul trouble. Inverse correlation, good games and number of fouls.... Dude gets his though when he stays in the game. I think he's showing tons of promise (he did miss a whole year...). And yes, I am a Blazers homer.

I dropped him for Scola.

In the 9 games this year when he managed to get 30+ minutes of action he has averaged 14ppg and 11.5rpg. The problem is that he has not shown the ability to avoid foul trouble, so i doubt he will be able to produce big numbers consistently the rest of the season. But staying out foul trouble is alot easier to learn than being an extremely athletic 7 footer.

Can I even keep him at the end of this year???

Adding Jeff Green via a trade and the way B.Lopez has been lighting it up....I'm not so sure I should keep Oden.

This guy is regressing again in consec. games too

Brook Lopez and Green should be owned in at LEAST 90% of their leagues... drop Oden fast

It's a keeper league.

Drop him..that's a little harsh,no?

Oden has a chip in his knee -- may be time to drop him and pick up Joel Przybilla? Ouch.

a chipped patella seems very serious, so yeah, i'm gonna drop Collison and pickup the Vanilla Gorilla.

I'm tempted to pickup Joel but I think I'm gonna go with Outlaw as he is also available and has been playing pretty well...I'm hoping that if Oden's out he'll get a small boost in minutes. The Blazers also play without a center in their lineup for stretches I've noticed. He's been around 30 minutes lately and I think if he got 35 he'd be worth owning. Right idea or is Joel the guy you wanna own over Outlaw?