yep also reading RW recap, it says Bell in the "rearview mirror" and they also consider PT a borderline RB1. We'll see. I might try to sell high on PT because we just don't know what happens when Bell comes back.

PT's proving yet again why he was a top 50 pick coming into this year. Not sure why people are surprised by how well he is doing and continue to doubt his role going forward but anyway. Enjoy PT owners.

I supposedly sold high on PT (Andre Johnson) and the felt the wrath of the Fantasy Gods this week.

Do not trade him unless AP or MJD is coming back the other way

^^ really. I think PT is a beast if he doesn't have to worry about Mike Bell stealing his thunder. I think if PT gets a consistent 15-20 touches a game, I agree. He has a high chance of scoring a TD. Also the fact that he catches the ball well is a huge plus.

Some pretty hard runs: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009100409/2...aints#tab:watch

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This is why I love FF...2 weeks into the season a lot of people thought Bell was going to be the starter and Pierre was borderline droppable, now Pierre is a top 5 RB and Bell is meaningless. I still think neither is exactly right. Until we know what the split will be when Bell is healthy and who is going to be the GL back I'm tempering my expectations. However, if you trade him now you are trading him under the (pessimistic) assumption that Bell will contribute to a major RBBC in two weeks. If that proves to be false then anyone who sells "high" will be regretting it and because of that, there are maybe 3 players (add in 4.24) I would trade him for. IMO, his upside is just too big to trade him right now.

BTW, this thread is reaching "Jacobian" proportions.

Nice to see those of us patient enough to wait out Thomas are FINALLY being rewarded.

imho, thomas' value now is sky high, and i really don't see it getting any higher unless bell or bush gets hurt down the road (which is by all means possible)...

in PPR, thomas for AJ is a solid trade... classic buy low sell high...

not sure why you keep pushing this idea... no one is surprised at what thomas has been able to produce as the lead NO back, but i don't see what's so crazy about tempering expectations in preparation for bell's returns...

I don't even think Bush is worth owning in 10-12 team non-PPR leagues. He only gets about 11-12 touches a week. Hes topped 80 yds total ONCE this season, his high on rush yds in a week is 64, he has a lingering knee issue that I dont think enough is being made of, and he doesn't score in what is arguably the best offense in the league.

I think its between Thomas and Bell for the majority of the touches in the Saints backfield

Bell is a career backup/journeyman. I don't think it's crazy to think that his role will be to spell PT on a drive or two.

So since you believe his value will never be higher, what do you think PT owners should sell him for?

I agree. But, my point is if you trade him now you are assuming his value will decrease when Bell returns, when it has yet to be seen how large of a role Bell will play. If you believe Bell's return will greatly hurt his value, then you trade him now. However, if Pierre still gets 18-20 touches with Bell back then I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps up his production. His value probably won't get any higher, but IMO there is a good chance it doesn't get too much lower.

Well, I just packaged PT & McNabb for Brees. The Brees owner is panicking because he is now 0-4 and need RBs badly because LT is a shell of his former self. He has Cutler as a backup and wasn't concerned with losing Brees. I mainly packaged McNabb because I have Flacco and was going to drop McNabb anyways.

you do know that thomas was a special teams guy for most of 07 and 08 before he was got his shot to shine due to injuries to the entire NO backfield (he was RB4 on the depth chart)... i'm not trying to take anything away from thomas, but bell being a career back/journeyman (although that's not an accurate description imho) and getting his chance to shine this preseason and in weeks 1 and 2 sound awfully familiar...

in my experience 1 on 1 trades are very rare, but thomas has a going rate of a top 10 back right now imho...

Thomas' value certainly could get higher. He's played 1.5 games this season coming back from injury. The full game was against one of, it not THE, best defenses in football. He's the probable lead back in arguably, the best offense in football. He's finally healthy and Bush has been nothing but a sideshow. His value could as easily sneak into RB1 territory as much as it could comeback to low end RB2 territory depending on how Bell's return shakes out and without major injury to ethier. A lot of risk, but the potential is still higher.

For the record, I think getting AJ, especially in a PPR format, is great value for Thomas and I think Doc did very well in that trade L-T.....

i'd say his value has already snuck into RB1 territory as the lead back the last 2 games... actually top 10 territory...

as has been the case throughout this thread, it's in the eye of the beholder... with bell back in tow, i just don't see thomas getting as many opportunities (unless bush is completely phased out), and i don't see him averaging 7 ypc the entire season... but that may just be me

I agree, I don't see him keeping this pace but maybe that is because I just traded him. Either way, I was able to turn a 4th rd pick into a 1st rd pick with the trade I made.

That's... really high and I doubt I'd be able to get someone nearly as good in terms of upside (especially considering he was the 20th RB taken in our draft).

Good trade.

In the league I own him in I am in desperate need of WR depth, but the WR's I am targeting I know I won't get straight up. I think most owners in that league still think too highly of their 1st/2nd round WR picks and think too lowly of PT right now.

The WR's I could probably get for him straight up I don't really want, so I think I am going to hold onto him for now.

If you can't get a WR1 for PT, don't sell.

Hehe, well, he also gave up the Other Steve Smith for AJ too, right before SS had an alright game yesterday

which is why many people are trying to sell high... just look at the 2 trades mentioned the last few pages:

thomas for andre johnson
thomas and mcnabb for brees

i'd say that aj and brees' upside is greater than thomas'....

I'm in a 1pt PPR league. After Chris Johnson, MJD, AP, .... Can't really say there are too many backs I would rather be starting. Loving the 20 something points he scored for me against the Jets Defense this week.

edit: you traders are crazy! He's a top 5 back in this offense. well, most of you. Pierre for AJ is a pretty nice move.

Well then, I'd love to play in your league. I've seen offers for him in other leagues and it's about low Rd2 or high Rd3 value. Everyone's different but I think most would still see these backs still ranked ahead of him (in no order):

AD, MJD, SJax, Gore, DWill, Forte, Slaton, Turner, CJ, Westy, Jacobs, Barber, maybe Brown....

That's off the top of my head. If you can get a top 5 WR like AJ for him, then your doing well, but his top end potential could get him into that top 10, whether he averages 7 yards a carry or not and he's not there yet in most circles....

Yeah, ummm, seriously, that's really nice and all but those trades ain't happening in my league.

Are you in the same league with Dr. Whom? He left that little detail out of the post if true.....Doesn't make it necessarily as good then....

Hehe, no, I just remember him mentioning on another thread that he's officiailly not allowed to give out trade advice any more b/c he did PT/SS for AJ... don't remember what thread it was tho

It was the most epic fail of all trades this year. I am ashamed to give advice on other people's trades now...unless they know to do the exact opposite of what I tell them

Hehe, happens to the best of us

We all make bad trades. I traded for Plaxico the week before he shot himself last year. That was hilarious. It was a sweet deal on paper, too. Don't sweat it after one week, although I'm very impressed with S. Smith (NYG). AJ won't be going vs. Asomugha the rest of the year either....If AJ didn't go nuts in week 2, he'd be a great buy low as he's had to go vs. Asomugha and Revis thus far...

such a typical response that i would not expect from someone like you...

based on the trades that have already been mentioned and the general feeling of this thread, i wouldn't be surprised if you could get the players bolded above straight up for thomas now... especially if your leaguemates feel as strongly about thomas as most the posters in this thread...

Wow... PT/SS for AJ?

I WISH YOU WERE IN MY LEAGUE!!1!111!11!!!

...just kidding of course

PT is a better a better fantasy player than SJax, Slaton, Westy, Jacobs, Barber, and Brown.

The others I'd rather have over PT.

Anybody who only trades players based on round they were picked in is not a good strategy in making trades. For example I wouldn't trade Moreno or Rice for Slaton. And I wouldn't want LT on my roster.

Slaton has been bad all year, SJax is on the worst offense in the NFL, Barber is already hurt with a muscle injury, Jacobs is playing ok at best and is in a 60/40 timeshare where the back up is more productive, Westbrook is hurt and old, and Brown is only as effective as they can sell the gimmick.

Talk about typical responses. Let it lie, dude. We'll all just have to wait and see....

There's a fine line between the whole "value" argument once we're 1/4th into the fantasy season.

I mean, honestly, when do you start looking at a player's current performance/production rather than his pre-draft ranking and perceived value?

Point is, PT is out-performing many of the "clear 1st rounders" so far and in that offense, I don't think it's a fluke but rather a sign of things to come and/or a simple confirmation that PT is legit.

I agree with fatboy here, I would be a lot more comfortable with a guy like PT than say SJAX, Westy, Jacobs, Barber and I'm sure I can name a few others.

Although he has a small track record and it's considered a small sample size, he's done nothing but excel at the NFL level.

He's great when he's in there. Still, a lot of his owners have gotten just one start out of him so far. If he gets a good run of health, then he's got serious upside as he's always had. Mike Bell's week one and two numbers would be examples of his downside. Payton is also unpredictable.

How many PT owners were loving Lynell/Heath goal line packages last week?

All that said, we should be in for a solid run of PT production. We'll see how things play out.

FAIL.

If you actually bothered to watch the game then Pierre just ran a screen play for 36 yds. He got the first crack but he was clearly gassed (because he still wasn't 100%) so they tried Lynell and he failed. So then they gave it to Evans and he failed.

I loved PT getting the ball in the 4th quarter for the SCORE at the 1 yd line. I especially loved the fact that he led the team in carries, rushing yds, receptions, receiving yds, all purpose yds, and scoring the lone offensive TD.

The guy gets folks talking about him even in a bye week.....Love him, hate him, he can't be ignored...

some very strong opinions in here. ill leave mine. weeks 8-11: vs atlanta , vs carolina, @st louis , @ tampa bay. weeks 14-16 : @atlanta, vs dallas, vs tampa bay. his other four games (in no order). are vs the giants, @dolphins, @redskins, vs patriots . weeks 8-11 is a key 4 game stretch that can put u in the driver seat for a playoff spot or division title. weeks 14-16 is the fantasy playoffs. take 4 games out and he has a fairly easy schedule. also the redskins, dolphins, and redskins can b run on (they are in the 9-16 range imo). mike bell is a handcuff now thats clear. pierre is the goaline back. will get 3-4 catches a game. just ran throu a stud jets defense. teams are obviously geared to stop drew brees. then pierre gets loose cuz 6 or 7 in the box will NOT stop him. he's a top 10 rb, and im prepared to think he mite be top 5. there arent a ton of better options than him. can we trust barbers quad? i LOVE steven jackson but the tds arent gonna come easy. ronnie brown is the man but his schedule isnt the easiest (not the hardest, but its not easy like pierre's). will jones drew hold up all year? slaton is a rb2 now. take away one big game from chris johnson, his other 3 games no tds (alltho i wud take him over pierre probably). im just throwin players out. the overall point is, no matter wat u think of pierre thomas, why are people trying to deal him or "Sell high". i see a guy who shud get 80-100 total yards and a td every week. i think hes very close to top 5. keep him. enjoy the ride.

Just one?? What kind of silly person did not have him in for the last two weeks?? He's won me both weeks so far >.>

And as Yoda pointed out, he was even in there on first down, because the coach wanted to give him the reward, but he was winded and came out after 1st down...

I didn't start him against the Bills, because I wasn't sure what the situation would be, which I think a lot of people did.

PT owners who were on the ledge are happy that Rotoworld's slant has been Anti Mike Bell. When Bell is 100 percent after the bye, see how things play out. This may still be an RBBC, football is a very fickle sport... trust me.

in theory, if NO considered thomas the best GL runner, thomas would've been in the game on 3rd down after getting a 1 down breather... instead, they went with evans...

it's far from clear as to who will be NO's GL back, although it doesn't hurt thomas' chances that hamilton (a consensus non factor going forward) and evans failed to punch it in...

Yeah except PT did punch it in in the 4th quarter. But anyway...

Although I started PT vs. the Bills, I don't think anyone could be blamed for not inserting him into the lineup. Go back a few pages in this thread and you'll get wide ranging opinions about his workload leading up to BUF or whether Lynell Hamilton would be leaned on. Seems silly now, but hindsight is what it is.....Newest RW blurb seems to indicate that although Bell is medically cleared, he may not even be active on gameday inferring he's fallen that far behind Thomas and can't play ST as well as Hamilton....Don't really agree with that assessment but it would make me happy...

Scout.com's Adam Caplan confirms that Mike Bell (sprained MCL) has been medically cleared to resume playing.
Bell should fall in line as New Orleans' No. 3 back, replacing Lynell Hamilton behind Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. However, it remains to be seen who will be "up" on game days. Hamilton is better than Bell on special teams.Source: scout.com

Knowing how good Mike Bell did for them when healthy, it would be in the Saints best interests to alternate Pierre and Bell every series and keep them both healthy as long as they keep winning

You just want this thread to get longer

I like it when you guys argue over stuff you cannot predict or control

Sour grapes...