With alot of film to watch and as good as the defensive coordinators are do you think he will have as good a season as last year?
I have a feeling that he will have some good games but will have not as much success as his rookie year.
Any thoughts?
Full Version: Chris Johnson
He will have success but he is being extremely over-valued so far. He doesn't deserve to go Top 5, even in PPR.
you can't coach speed.
johnson holds value simply because he's the fastest man on the field, and at any moment can rip one.
However, unless Tennessee gets some semblance of a passing game they're going to have struggles against the stronger defenses
johnson holds value simply because he's the fastest man on the field, and at any moment can rip one.
However, unless Tennessee gets some semblance of a passing game they're going to have struggles against the stronger defenses
Johnson is young and free of dents. That's why he's being drafted a few selections higher than he probably should. There just aren't too many worry-free full-workload backs right now.
Teams were stacking the box versus Tenn last year, so I don't see much changing save for getting CJ a bit more involved catching the ball. The Titans improved their receiving corp a bit, so that could help him.
Teams were stacking the box versus Tenn last year, so I don't see much changing save for getting CJ a bit more involved catching the ball. The Titans improved their receiving corp a bit, so that could help him.
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jun 22 2009, 09:58 AM) 
Johnson is young and free of dents. That's why he's being drafted a few selections higher than he probably should. There just aren't too many worry-free full-workload backs right now.
Teams were stacking the box versus Tenn last year, so I don't see much changing save for getting CJ a bit more involved catching the ball. The Titans improved their receiving corp a bit, so that could help him.
Teams were stacking the box versus Tenn last year, so I don't see much changing save for getting CJ a bit more involved catching the ball. The Titans improved their receiving corp a bit, so that could help him.
He's far from a full-workload back as long as the whale is in town. The thing about CJ that is so enticing though is his big play ability, there just aren't that many RBs with the ability to break off 70 yd runs.
He's somewhere in the 4-8 range, depending on how you weigh the risks involved with the other guys in that area (Turner's overuse, LDT's age, Jackson's being on the Rams, Slaton's size/durability, etc.).
Baseline: Johnson managed almost 1500 combined yards and 10 TDs last season over 15 games (sitting out the meaningless wk 17 game) with a consistent 15-20 carries and about 4 passes per game.
Factors to Consider:
-- I think it's reasonable to expect the carries to stay roughly the same and the passes to increase.
-- TDs have too much of a luck factor to predict with any accuracy, but the presence of LenDale does indicate that we should expect fewer than what we normally would from a 1500-yard back.
-- Tough defenses did give him trouble (which makes him the same as every other RB in this regard), but the schedule of opposing run defenses looks a shade easier in '09. (AFCN to AFCE and NFCN to NFCW by my count reduces the tally of nail-eating run defenses from 4 (PIT, BAL, MIN, CHI) to 1 (NYJ). The strength of schedule games are a step tougher, though-- trading the Jets and Chiefs for the Steelers and Chargers.)
-- His stature would suggest injury risk, but he seems to have the Tiki-Barber-like ability (instinct?) to go down in a safe manner and avoid head-on plastering. I don't rate his injury risk as any better or worse than the average back with a similar workload.
Baseline: Johnson managed almost 1500 combined yards and 10 TDs last season over 15 games (sitting out the meaningless wk 17 game) with a consistent 15-20 carries and about 4 passes per game.
Factors to Consider:
-- I think it's reasonable to expect the carries to stay roughly the same and the passes to increase.
-- TDs have too much of a luck factor to predict with any accuracy, but the presence of LenDale does indicate that we should expect fewer than what we normally would from a 1500-yard back.
-- Tough defenses did give him trouble (which makes him the same as every other RB in this regard), but the schedule of opposing run defenses looks a shade easier in '09. (AFCN to AFCE and NFCN to NFCW by my count reduces the tally of nail-eating run defenses from 4 (PIT, BAL, MIN, CHI) to 1 (NYJ). The strength of schedule games are a step tougher, though-- trading the Jets and Chiefs for the Steelers and Chargers.)
-- His stature would suggest injury risk, but he seems to have the Tiki-Barber-like ability (instinct?) to go down in a safe manner and avoid head-on plastering. I don't rate his injury risk as any better or worse than the average back with a similar workload.
QUOTE (Hokie79 @ Jun 22 2009, 10:30 AM)
He's far from a full-workload back as long as the whale is in town. The thing about CJ that is so enticing though is his big play ability, there just aren't that many RBs with the ability to break off 70 yd runs.
Poorly worded on my part. I was trying to address why he is over-valued. If there were more full-workload backs, CJ wouldn't be top five. Didn't mean to imply that CJ was going to eat up all of LDW's carries this year.
Collins is supposed to air it out more this year.
I don't know what's worse, the Titans becoming more vertical or Collins throwing bombs. Who is there #1 Wr anyways?
That being said, Johnson will have a solid year similar to last year but he has my vote as being the most overvalued guy on draft day.
I don't know what's worse, the Titans becoming more vertical or Collins throwing bombs. Who is there #1 Wr anyways?
That being said, Johnson will have a solid year similar to last year but he has my vote as being the most overvalued guy on draft day.
QUOTE (BLINDSIDERS @ Jun 22 2009, 02:46 PM)
Collins is supposed to air it out more this year.
I don't know what's worse, the Titans becoming more vertical or Collins throwing bombs. Who is there #1 Wr anyways?
That being said, Johnson will have a solid year similar to last year but he has my vote as being the most overvalued guy on draft day.
I don't know what's worse, the Titans becoming more vertical or Collins throwing bombs. Who is there #1 Wr anyways?
That being said, Johnson will have a solid year similar to last year but he has my vote as being the most overvalued guy on draft day.
Where did you hear that? The only think I have heard is Johnson is going to get the ball more. He probably won't have the same average per carry as last year but the extra carries will even it out.
QUOTE (TheBoatmen @ Jun 23 2009, 01:45 AM)
Where did you hear that? The only think I have heard is Johnson is going to get the ball more. He probably won't have the same average per carry as last year but the extra carries will even it out.
It's obvious that they are trying to assemble a more vertical passing attack with the addition of Nate Washington.
Every good rushing attack needs the possibility of making a pass downfield, otherwise you continuously see 8 and 9 in the box. Adding Washington gives them that ability but that doesn't mean that Tennessee is going to air it out...no way no how. They just lost Haynesworth, they are going to want to control the clock as much as possible, the only way to do that is to run the ball.
QUOTE (TheBoatmen @ Jun 22 2009, 09:45 PM)
Where did you hear that? The only think I have heard is Johnson is going to get the ball more. He probably won't have the same average per carry as last year but the extra carries will even it out.
They upgraded both WR positions and drafted a speedy TE. I think that says some things. Not that they were going to stick with that crew from '08. It's all on Collins now. He's got some weapons and all he has to do is keep defenses honest. He doesn't need to roll up big numbers or something.
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jun 23 2009, 10:27 AM)
They upgraded both WR positions and drafted a speedy TE. I think that says some things. Not that they were going to stick with that crew from '08. It's all on Collins now. He's got some weapons and all he has to do is keep defenses honest. He doesn't need to roll up big numbers or something.
Nate Washington may be an upgrade, may be a threat, but ehhh.... he's really not that good.
Having an assemblence of a passing game only helps CJ.
Can't believe there's overvalue talk on CJ.....other than MJD and AP, in my opinion, you can make arguements taking CJ as the 3rd best RB....I said make arguements.... and furthermore MJD is taking the full load for the 1st time, does he have the frame to hold up??? Better then CJ and his situation?? I dunno.
He has Fisher's confidence, he'll get more touches in his 2nd year for sure, how could he not?
He and Lendale are great compliments.
QUOTE (Spike11 @ Jun 23 2009, 12:25 PM)
Nate Washington may be an upgrade, may be a threat, but ehhh.... he's really not that good.
Having an assemblence of a passing game only helps CJ.
Can't believe there's overvalue talk on CJ.....other than MJD and AP, in my opinion, you can make arguements taking CJ as the 3rd best RB....I said make arguements.... and furthermore MJD is taking the full load for the 1st time, does he have the frame to hold up??? Better then CJ and his situation?? I dunno.
He has Fisher's confidence, he'll get more touches in his 2nd year for sure, how could he not?
He and Lendale are great compliments.
Having an assemblence of a passing game only helps CJ.
Can't believe there's overvalue talk on CJ.....other than MJD and AP, in my opinion, you can make arguements taking CJ as the 3rd best RB....I said make arguements.... and furthermore MJD is taking the full load for the 1st time, does he have the frame to hold up??? Better then CJ and his situation?? I dunno.
He has Fisher's confidence, he'll get more touches in his 2nd year for sure, how could he not?
He and Lendale are great compliments.
I could never spend a top 3 pick on a RB who doesn't get goalline carries, no matter how explosive. Until he does he'll never crack the top 5 in my rankings.
QUOTE (Hokie79 @ Jun 23 2009, 01:00 PM)
I could never spend a top 3 pick on a RB who doesn't get goalline carries, no matter how explosive. Until he does he'll never crack the top 5 in my rankings.
He had 10 TD's is 15 games in his "rookie" year.
Your arguement is legit but in my opinion I think CJ will improve on his TD and yardage total.
Again, I said you could make arguements....I got CJ ranked top 5 for RB's....goal line, full time RB or not.........just me.
QUOTE (Spike11 @ Jun 23 2009, 01:48 PM)
He had 10 TD's is 15 games in his "rookie" year.
Your arguement is legit but in my opinion I think CJ will improve on his TD and yardage total.
Again, I said you could make arguements....I got CJ ranked top 5 for RB's....goal line, full time RB or not.........just me.
Your arguement is legit but in my opinion I think CJ will improve on his TD and yardage total.
Again, I said you could make arguements....I got CJ ranked top 5 for RB's....goal line, full time RB or not.........just me.
I mean he def has sick potential, he certainly could put up top 3 numbers, he's just riskier than the other guys available. His problem is he generally needs to score from farther out to keep the whale from vulturing. I had him last year and remember how frustrating it was when he'd move the offense all the way down the field and then get tackled at like the 3 yard line and then the fatass waddled out to score.
A great talent, no question about it but I would not take CJ if I had a top 5 pick.
The deal breaker for me is that Lendale still looms. Not being the goal-line back is pretty significant, especially in TD-only leagues
I expect his workload to increase and he should get more receptions but I'd take AP, MJD, Forte, Turne, SJAX and LDT all over him at this point.
The deal breaker for me is that Lendale still looms. Not being the goal-line back is pretty significant, especially in TD-only leagues
I expect his workload to increase and he should get more receptions but I'd take AP, MJD, Forte, Turne, SJAX and LDT all over him at this point.
QUOTE (Spike11 @ Jun 23 2009, 12:25 PM)
Nate Washington may be an upgrade, may be a threat, but ehhh.... he's really not that good.
Having an assemblence of a passing game only helps CJ.
Can't believe there's overvalue talk on CJ.....other than MJD and AP, in my opinion, you can make arguements taking CJ as the 3rd best RB....I said make arguements.... and furthermore MJD is taking the full load for the 1st time, does he have the frame to hold up??? Better then CJ and his situation?? I dunno.
He has Fisher's confidence, he'll get more touches in his 2nd year for sure, how could he not?
He and Lendale are great compliments.
Having an assemblence of a passing game only helps CJ.
Can't believe there's overvalue talk on CJ.....other than MJD and AP, in my opinion, you can make arguements taking CJ as the 3rd best RB....I said make arguements.... and furthermore MJD is taking the full load for the 1st time, does he have the frame to hold up??? Better then CJ and his situation?? I dunno.
He has Fisher's confidence, he'll get more touches in his 2nd year for sure, how could he not?
He and Lendale are great compliments.
Something wrong with your eye?
Nate Washington is a limited player but a solid deep threat, which is a good add for a team who likes to show deep a lot.
They added three targets, not just Washington. They added a first round receiver in Britt, who is a big body, which will help right away near the goal line. So, they added a deep threat and got help in the red zone. It should help to some degree, especially if teams continue to dare them to throw.
They also nabbed Jared Cook in round three and that dude has plenty of upside. Crazy size/speed combo.
The rookies won't be great right away, but they both offer more than guys like Justin McCareins or Aged Crumpler.
LenDale White is a nice compliment for Tennessee, but he's a problem if you have CJ as your #1 fantasy back. To me, the guys who are calling CJ over-valued in 12-team re-draft leagues are right, but only by a few spots.
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jun 23 2009, 02:00 PM)
Something wrong with your eye?
Nate Washington is a limited player but a solid deep threat, which is a good add for a team who likes to show deep a lot.
They added three targets, not just Washington. They added a first round receiver in Britt, who is a big body, which will help right away near the goal line. So, they added a deep threat and got help in the red zone. It should help to some degree, especially if teams continue to dare them to throw.
They also nabbed Jared Cook in round three and that dude has plenty of upside. Crazy size/speed combo.
The rookies won't be great right away, but they both offer more than guys like Justin McCareins or Aged Crumpler.
LenDale White is a nice compliment for Tennessee, but he's a problem if you have CJ as your #1 fantasy back. To me, the guys who are calling CJ over-valued in 12-team re-draft leagues are right, but only by a few spots.
Nate Washington is a limited player but a solid deep threat, which is a good add for a team who likes to show deep a lot.
They added three targets, not just Washington. They added a first round receiver in Britt, who is a big body, which will help right away near the goal line. So, they added a deep threat and got help in the red zone. It should help to some degree, especially if teams continue to dare them to throw.
They also nabbed Jared Cook in round three and that dude has plenty of upside. Crazy size/speed combo.
The rookies won't be great right away, but they both offer more than guys like Justin McCareins or Aged Crumpler.
LenDale White is a nice compliment for Tennessee, but he's a problem if you have CJ as your #1 fantasy back. To me, the guys who are calling CJ over-valued in 12-team re-draft leagues are right, but only by a few spots.
I just don't understand why people are calling him over-valued? According to what exactly?
He's a first round talent, no doubt about that. In the mocks I have done, no one has drafted him in the top 5 and he's usually going anywhere from 8-12...ideal for his 2009 ADP.
QUOTE (ludawg23 @ Jun 23 2009, 02:04 PM)
I just don't understand why people are calling him over-valued? According to what exactly?
He's a first round talent, no doubt about that. In the mocks I have done, no one has drafted him in the top 5 and he's usually going anywhere from 8-12...ideal for his 2009 ADP.
He's a first round talent, no doubt about that. In the mocks I have done, no one has drafted him in the top 5 and he's usually going anywhere from 8-12...ideal for his 2009 ADP.
8-12 is where I have him, so we agree. I was referring to those who have him going five or higher.
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jun 23 2009, 03:02 PM)
8-12 is where I have him, so we agree. I was referring to those who have him going five or higher.
5 - 7 is where i have him.
QUOTE (TheBoatmen @ Jun 22 2009, 09:45 PM)
Where did you hear that? The only think I have heard is Johnson is going to get the ball more. He probably won't have the same average per carry as last year but the extra carries will even it out.
It's been reported that they want to pass more, thus the acquisition of Washington. Chris Johnson only topped 20 carries once last year so I would be careful about taking him too high.
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jun 23 2009, 02:00 PM)
Something wrong with your eye?
Nate Washington is a limited player but a solid deep threat, which is a good add for a team who likes to show deep a lot.
They added three targets, not just Washington. They added a first round receiver in Britt, who is a big body, which will help right away near the goal line. So, they added a deep threat and got help in the red zone. It should help to some degree, especially if teams continue to dare them to throw.
They also nabbed Jared Cook in round three and that dude has plenty of upside. Crazy size/speed combo.
The rookies won't be great right away, but they both offer more than guys like Justin McCareins or Aged Crumpler.
LenDale White is a nice compliment for Tennessee, but he's a problem if you have CJ as your #1 fantasy back. To me, the guys who are calling CJ over-valued in 12-team re-draft leagues are right, but only by a few spots.
Nate Washington is a limited player but a solid deep threat, which is a good add for a team who likes to show deep a lot.
They added three targets, not just Washington. They added a first round receiver in Britt, who is a big body, which will help right away near the goal line. So, they added a deep threat and got help in the red zone. It should help to some degree, especially if teams continue to dare them to throw.
They also nabbed Jared Cook in round three and that dude has plenty of upside. Crazy size/speed combo.
The rookies won't be great right away, but they both offer more than guys like Justin McCareins or Aged Crumpler.
LenDale White is a nice compliment for Tennessee, but he's a problem if you have CJ as your #1 fantasy back. To me, the guys who are calling CJ over-valued in 12-team re-draft leagues are right, but only by a few spots.
Nothings wrong with my eye....Steeler fan born and raised...Nate Washington is a limited player, good description.
Good to see Tenn is addressing their vertical game, hope Collins or Young can get those WR's the ball, Tenn still is a run 1st and play good defense kinda team. The additions to the passing game will help the ground game for sure.
Anyways, add me to the list of people overvaluing CJ.
Time will tell.
QUOTE (Spike11 @ Jun 24 2009, 02:42 AM)
Nothings wrong with my eye....Steeler fan born and raised...Nate Washington is a limited player, good description.
Good to see Tenn is addressing their vertical game, hope Collins or Young can get those WR's the ball, Tenn still is a run 1st and play good defense kinda team. The additions to the passing game will help the ground game for sure.
Anyways, add me to the list of people overvaluing CJ.
Time will tell.
Good to see Tenn is addressing their vertical game, hope Collins or Young can get those WR's the ball, Tenn still is a run 1st and play good defense kinda team. The additions to the passing game will help the ground game for sure.
Anyways, add me to the list of people overvaluing CJ.
Time will tell.
Yeah. We all seem to have him within a few picks of each other, but when you are in the top ten, those are big slots. I'm sort of a traditionalist, so I want every-down backs with my first selection or two. CJ is part of the new era where a part time back can be high up in the draft. MJD has teased round one for a few years now, even though he split with Fred. Now CJ is doing the same but getting up near the top five. CJ gets more touches than MJD did early on, but MJD always had the goal line.
It's interesting. In my mind, I'm saying that there has to be 6-8 backs that are better than CJ for fantasy '09, the problem is that, right now, they all have issues too.
Things will get clearer towards the end of preseason.
I would take LenDale White before taking CJ.
...psych...
...psych...
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jun 24 2009, 09:17 AM)
Yeah. We all seem to have him within a few picks of each other, but when you are in the top ten, those are big slots. I'm sort of a traditionalist, so I want every-down backs with my first selection or two. CJ is part of the new era where a part time back can be high up in the draft. MJD has teased round one for a few years now, even though he split with Fred. Now CJ is doing the same but getting up near the top five. CJ gets more touches than MJD did early on, but MJD always had the goal line.
It's interesting. In my mind, I'm saying that there has to be 6-8 backs that are better than CJ for fantasy '09, the problem is that, right now, they all have issues too.
Things will get clearer towards the end of preseason.
It's interesting. In my mind, I'm saying that there has to be 6-8 backs that are better than CJ for fantasy '09, the problem is that, right now, they all have issues too.
Things will get clearer towards the end of preseason.
I totally agree, and I'm of the same mind set believe me, one would be foolish to overlook the fact of a goal line vulture.
I just think things might be a little different in Tenn this year..... like ya said lets wait till training camp.
CJ is blazing fast and definitely has the ball skills.
I am curious to see how he produces now that defenses have a season's worth of film on him and they will be better equipped to execute better defensive strategies against CJ's strengths.
I expect he'll be shadowed by speed corners, safeties, or (in very few cases) a speed LB.
Tennessee does not have much in the way of a vertical passing threat and the WRs they do have do not require double team attention. That frees up a defender to mirror.
They'll need to work CJ into the passing game more (use him like R. Bush).
Try to use the screen pass like the Eagles use to perfection.
The yards will be there for CJ, but the TDs will have to come from a distance.
He has tremendous upside, but I would not be able to rely on him as my #1 pick.
I'll stick my neck out there, but I have the following players ranked ahead of CJ:
Purple Jesus
MJD
Matt Forte
LT2
Michael Turner
Steven Jackson
DeAngelo Williams
Frank Gore
Clinton Portis
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
This, to me, knocks him out of the first round and into a grouping with Calvin Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Steve Slaton, Brandon Jacobs, Tom Brady, etc...
I am curious to see how he produces now that defenses have a season's worth of film on him and they will be better equipped to execute better defensive strategies against CJ's strengths.
I expect he'll be shadowed by speed corners, safeties, or (in very few cases) a speed LB.
Tennessee does not have much in the way of a vertical passing threat and the WRs they do have do not require double team attention. That frees up a defender to mirror.
They'll need to work CJ into the passing game more (use him like R. Bush).
Try to use the screen pass like the Eagles use to perfection.
The yards will be there for CJ, but the TDs will have to come from a distance.
He has tremendous upside, but I would not be able to rely on him as my #1 pick.
I'll stick my neck out there, but I have the following players ranked ahead of CJ:
Purple Jesus
MJD
Matt Forte
LT2
Michael Turner
Steven Jackson
DeAngelo Williams
Frank Gore
Clinton Portis
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
This, to me, knocks him out of the first round and into a grouping with Calvin Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Steve Slaton, Brandon Jacobs, Tom Brady, etc...
what about 1300/10tds 50rec/450yrds
too much?
too much?
QUOTE (Spike11 @ Jun 24 2009, 11:01 AM)
I totally agree, and I'm of the same mind set believe me, one would be foolish to overlook the fact of a goal line vulture.
I just think things might be a little different in Tenn this year..... like ya said lets wait till training camp.
I just think things might be a little different in Tenn this year..... like ya said lets wait till training camp.
I have CJ in my keeper league and one thing I noticed is that he did get some red-zone carries, but not nearly as many dive-in type goal line carries as White did. It wasn't a cut and dry thing.
It could have something to do with getting the defensive personnel on the field that the Titans want. You don't defend these two backs the same way at all. CJ forces the D to spread it out a bit more.
Just an observation.
It has been mentioned many many times on this topic that Lendale hurts his value which is an obvious point. To take another angle on it I would say what are the chances that White stays healthy for 2 full season in a row? If this guys goes down "and I think its reasonable to think he could" CJ's value really takes a step up. Just something to think about.
QUOTE (N.O. Boston 33 @ Jul 9 2009, 08:36 AM)
It has been mentioned many many times on this topic that Lendale hurts his value which is an obvious point. To take another angle on it I would say what are the chances that White stays healthy for 2 full season in a row? If this guys goes down "and I think its reasonable to think he could" CJ's value really takes a step up. Just something to think about.
and this is whites last year on the contract...i think they'll resign him though
QUOTE (N.O. Boston 33 @ Jul 9 2009, 07:36 AM)
It has been mentioned many many times on this topic that Lendale hurts his value which is an obvious point. To take another angle on it I would say what are the chances that White stays healthy for 2 full season in a row? If this guys goes down "and I think its reasonable to think he could" CJ's value really takes a step up. Just something to think about.
I'd say the smaller back in Johnson has a much higher chance of getting injured, in comparision to the piece of blubber known as Lendale White.
LenDale White is essential to Johnson's health whether fantasy owners want to admit it or not. I want White on the Titans or I don't feel half as safe taking Johnson early.
QUOTE (Br0kenB @ Jul 9 2009, 10:53 AM)
LenDale White is essential to Johnson's health whether fantasy owners want to admit it or not. I want White on the Titans or I don't feel half as safe taking Johnson early.
I agree, and this is the way most FF players need to be thinking and RB committees. A handful of carries to another back is exponentially beneficial to the lead guy as he's kept fresh, especially a home-run hitter like Chris Johnson. As long as my guy gets his 20+ touches per game, I don't give two craps if another guy like White gets his 12-15.
QUOTE (rwood37 @ Jul 9 2009, 10:12 PM)
I agree, and this is the way most FF players need to be thinking and RB committees. A handful of carries to another back is exponentially beneficial to the lead guy as he's kept fresh, especially a home-run hitter like Chris Johnson. As long as my guy gets his 20+ touches per game, I don't give two craps if another guy like White gets his 12-15.
This is exactly what any CJ4.24 owner should want. CJ will get his touches, and the best part is having Lenwhale to reduce his injury risk while getting his 20+ touches.
I do think that CJ's touchdown numbers will rise from last year, and i also think he will have a few more goal line chances as well, just to spread out the defense, but with CJ's speed, he can burn the defense outside and get it in anyway.
I wish I could draft this guy, but in my league, the playoff teams pick at the end of the draft in reverse order of how you finish, and I ended up in 3rd place so I'll have to try my luck in trading for this guy.
jeff fisher plans to get CJ 50 REC this year!!!!
Think about this, Chris Johnson put up his 2008 numbers with LenDale having his best season and vulturing 15 scores.
15!
It's hard to imagine a bigger vulture than that, yet Johnson had a huge year.
The more I think about it, the more I think CJ's numbers are real and can be reproduced and perhaps even improved upon with a slight bump in receptions and carries.
15!
It's hard to imagine a bigger vulture than that, yet Johnson had a huge year.
The more I think about it, the more I think CJ's numbers are real and can be reproduced and perhaps even improved upon with a slight bump in receptions and carries.
QUOTE (footballpimp @ Jul 8 2009, 06:17 PM)
what about 1300/10tds 50rec/450yrds
too much?
too much?
No that isn't too much. seems about right IMO
I wanna draft this guy so bad in my league, but unfortunatly i have the 8th overall pick. So unless he slides to me, ill be tryin to trade like a mad man!
QUOTE (BoSox04 @ Jul 26 2009, 11:24 AM)
I wanna draft this guy so bad in my league, but unfortunatly i have the 8th overall pick. So unless he slides to me, ill be tryin to trade like a mad man!
You'll definitely get him.
Also, I think LenDale will get vulture TDs in the first half, and if CJ is playing well, LenDale will be traded at the deadline for DL help.
QUOTE (GreatGigInTheSky @ Jul 25 2009, 09:38 PM)
Think about this, Chris Johnson put up his 2008 numbers with LenDale having his best season and vulturing 15 scores.
15!
It's hard to imagine a bigger vulture than that, yet Johnson had a huge year.
The more I think about it, the more I think CJ's numbers are real and can be reproduced and perhaps even improved upon with a slight bump in receptions and carries.
15!
It's hard to imagine a bigger vulture than that, yet Johnson had a huge year.
The more I think about it, the more I think CJ's numbers are real and can be reproduced and perhaps even improved upon with a slight bump in receptions and carries.
Also keep in mind that those 15 touchdowns that Lendale White scored in many games helped keep the game close and allowed CJ to keep getting carries in games. I'm more worried about the loss of Hayensworth and the D keeping games close then anything. The running backs in the league that underperform are usually on teams with horrible D's that get their team blown out in games.
The bottom line is how a game plays out effects a players stats more then anything. In a close game there are always going to be plenty of chances for your RB to produce. Then it just boils down to your RB having the talent to do so.
QUOTE (BoSox04 @ Jul 26 2009, 10:24 AM)
I wanna draft this guy so bad in my league, but unfortunatly i have the 8th overall pick. So unless he slides to me, ill be tryin to trade like a mad man!
I also have the 8th pick in my league (10 man) and I dont see any way that CJ isn't there.
The way I see it is that Rosenthal drafted him eighth in a mock I saw, and the seventh guy (Bob Henry, someone who put together a fantastic draft) said his only regret was drafting Steven Jackson instead of Johnson. It's a simplistic, not-thinking-for-myself viewpoint, but hell, I trust both of their opinions and that's good enough for me. Personally, I'd put him in the range of 7 to 11. I have a hard time thinking that the people drafting fifth and sixth have no faith in Westbrook, Williams, Slaton, Tomlinson, Jackson, and if they're that doubtful, that they'd believe in Johnson and would go for Fitzgerald instead.
QUOTE (BigGameBalls @ Jul 26 2009, 12:02 PM)
I also have the 8th pick in my league (10 man) and I dont see any way that CJ isn't there.
then clearly you haven't been doing many mock drafts. the first four guys are the only guys "locked in". Picks 5-10 have looked like a lottery where names are picked out of a hat. LT2, CJ, SJax, Fitz, DWill, Gore, Slaton and AJ have been interchangeable, all depending on who is doing the drafting. CJ has a very good argument for being drafted over every guy on that list, other RBs may be more talented, but they carry big risks as well. At least CJ is healthy will get the majority of carries between the 20s, if he can match or improve on the 10 TDs (no reason he cant steal 3-5 of FatDale's TDs), he's worth it. I will actually be torn if I pick 5, but CJ will be in my own personal conversation with myself for that pick.
QUOTE (BigGameBalls @ Jul 26 2009, 12:02 PM)
I also have the 8th pick in my league (10 man) and I dont see any way that CJ isn't there.
I have 5th pick in two leagues. I will be drafting CJ right there. No way i let him fall to 6th etc.
good call
so are we agreed that CJ is a top 8 pick? people that have taken him early, have you also gone for LenDale? either as a RB2 or just to have on your bench or slot? got a draft tonight and I'm leaning towards S-Jax or CJ depending on my draft slot
QUOTE (KingSciarrillo @ Sep 6 2009, 06:56 AM)
so are we agreed that CJ is a top 8 pick? people that have taken him early, have you also gone for LenDale? either as a RB2 or just to have on your bench or slot? got a draft tonight and I'm leaning towards S-Jax or CJ depending on my draft slot
Love CJ but I would take SJax if both were available. I had the #8 pick in a 10-teamer and took CJ after SJax was off the board.
Also - can't see a scenario where I'd be interested in White unless he was a great value (e.g. available in the 6th-7th rd). I suppose it would be "nice" to have both but they're such different types of players, it's really not a classic "handcuff" situation as far as I'm concerned
QUOTE (KingSciarrillo @ Sep 6 2009, 08:56 AM)
so are we agreed that CJ is a top 8 pick? people that have taken him early, have you also gone for LenDale? either as a RB2 or just to have on your bench or slot? got a draft tonight and I'm leaning towards S-Jax or CJ depending on my draft slot
No. I'm in the minority, but Cj is a RB2. Will rarely see 20+ carries. Will not get goal line carries. Less than 200 lbs. Is this really what people want out of there RB1 and a top 8 pick? Yes, he's fast and electric. But he won't bust a long one every game. He will be a huge dissappointment to those who draft him.
I took CJ with the 12 pick in a 14 team league (then picked AJ3000 at #17)... is this too high for CJ? Too low?
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