headchopper
Jul 8 2009, 06:45 PM
"Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley wants to meet with Allen Iverson and is considering a one-year, $5 million offer.
Heisley appears to have changed his mind, as the Grizzlies had originally decided to pass on AI. We're not sure what his role would be, as Mike Conley and O.J. Mayo currently make up their starting backcourt, but Mayo could be pushed to the bench if AI is signed."
HUH???
What in the Hell is going on in Memphis. Mayo is a big enough ball hog. Then you go out and waste more good money on Zach Randolph, who is also at the top of the list for ball hogs. And now your interested in Iverson? Who may very well be the biggest ball hog of our generation?? What are these guys smoking in Memphis? I knew the had good BBQ, but........
guru
Jul 8 2009, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (headchopper @ Jul 8 2009, 06:45 PM)

"Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley wants to meet with Allen Iverson and is considering a one-year, $5 million offer.
Heisley appears to have changed his mind, as the Grizzlies had originally decided to pass on AI. We're not sure what his role would be, as Mike Conley and O.J. Mayo currently make up their starting backcourt, but Mayo could be pushed to the bench if AI is signed."
HUH???
What in the Hell is going on in Memphis. Mayo is a big enough ball hog. Then you go out and waste more good money on Zach Randolph, who is also at the top of the list for ball hogs. And now your interested in Iverson? Who may very well be the biggest ball hog of our generation?? What are these guys smoking in Memphis? I knew the had good BBQ, but........
If Yao is out, Houston should scoop over Iverson and ditch the Aaron Brooks project. Serious.
Aaron Brooks' ceiling is...the next Allen Iverson.
An undersized PG is a liability on defense regardless of his speed.
Get AI, get T-Mac, run, and sell some tickets. Then rebuild.
bloopy
Jul 8 2009, 08:44 PM
QUOTE (guru @ Jul 8 2009, 07:59 PM)

If Yao is out, Houston should scoop over Iverson and ditch the Aaron Brooks project. Serious.
Aaron Brooks' ceiling is...the next Allen Iverson.
An undersized PG is a liability on defense regardless of his speed.
Get AI, get T-Mac, run, and sell some tickets. Then rebuild.
i like it, except i don't think houston has anymore money to spend after they used their MLE on ariza. i think tmac and yao eat up $40 million of next year's $50 million salary cap.
toefu
Jul 9 2009, 12:53 AM
If Yao really is out next season, and Tmac is always out, why not let the aaron brooks project continue?!?
Brooks and scola should really evolve to be stars next year, and IF yao returns, we could sign a big FA in 2010 and be a solid contender all over again. Ariza will also get a chance to evolve his game next year as well.
As a rockets fan, it's sad to see us win 25 games next year, but with the hope that yao returns, we could be back in the heat of it 2 years from now.
SkinsRBack
Jul 9 2009, 07:17 AM
AI needs to sign a 1 year deal with Miami, have fun playing with D-Wade for a year, then see what championship contender, ie Boston, can sign him in 2010. He can come off the bench for a ring.
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 9 2009, 05:38 PM
Iverson is too selfish and his ego is too big to come off the bench at this point in time.
QUOTE (SkinsRBack @ Jul 9 2009, 08:17 AM)

AI needs to sign a 1 year deal with Miami, have fun playing with D-Wade for a year, then see what championship contender, ie Boston, can sign him in 2010. He can come off the bench for a ring.
mrfrood
Jul 12 2009, 06:59 PM
I absolutely hate the Grizzlies organization. I hope they sign Iverson and screw up their franchise even more. My hatred towards their organization started when they traded Gasol to the Lakers. Then Wallace or whatever tried to justify it by saying that the Grizzlies need cap space. HOW THE HELL DID THAT DEAL NOT GET VETOED? I hope the Grizzlies fold.
SkinsRBack
Jul 12 2009, 07:18 PM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 9 2009, 06:38 PM)

Iverson is too selfish and his ego is too big to come off the bench at this point in time.
I doubt that. I think at some point every player in the league eventually wants to go out a champ. He's there
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 12 2009, 09:04 PM
there is a greater than 50% chance hes is not even on an nba roster next fall...........
QUOTE (SkinsRBack @ Jul 12 2009, 08:18 PM)

I doubt that. I think at some point every player in the league eventually wants to go out a champ. He's there
tazdingo
Jul 12 2009, 09:18 PM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 13 2009, 10:04 AM)

there is a greater than 50% chance hes is not even on an nba roster next fall...........
Sprewell effect?
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 12 2009, 09:33 PM
indeed. that and his massive ego...........
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Jul 12 2009, 10:18 PM)

Sprewell effect?
tazdingo
Jul 13 2009, 07:53 AM
Well, it looks like the Heat are starting to gain ground on signing him... I personally think he'd be a cancer on the Heat and I'm worried this could hurt Wade's fantasy numbers... Thoughts?
SkinsRBack
Jul 13 2009, 08:05 AM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 12 2009, 10:04 PM)

there is a greater than 50% chance hes is not even on an nba roster next fall...........
Where are you getting that from? I mean he doesn't have all the options in the world, but I bet he'll be on a team by training camp.
SkinsRBack
Jul 13 2009, 08:15 AM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Jul 13 2009, 08:53 AM)

Well, it looks like the Heat are starting to gain ground on signing him... I personally think he'd be a cancer on the Heat and I'm worried this could hurt Wade's fantasy numbers... Thoughts?
D-Wade needs help point blank. He can still rebound, block, steal, and pass with AI on his team. How will AI hurt those numbers? You know what he won't hurt, D-Wade getting easier shots. Sounds like a good thing to me.
Denbo32
Jul 13 2009, 08:28 AM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 12 2009, 10:04 PM)

there is a greater than 50% chance hes is not even on an nba roster next fall...........
Greater then 50%? I'll put even money that AI is on an NBA roster this opening day.
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 13 2009, 10:04 AM
Fair enough assessment. 50-50
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Jul 13 2009, 09:28 AM)

Greater then 50%? I'll put even money that AI is on an NBA roster this opening day.
philflores81
Jul 13 2009, 08:02 PM
the clippers are talking to him
tazdingo
Jul 13 2009, 09:42 PM
QUOTE (philflores81 @ Jul 14 2009, 09:02 AM)

the clippers are talking to him
Unless they talk about getting rid of Baron Davis, this deal is not worth it when they have 3 good pieces they can build around with Gordon, Griffin and Thornton...
markdash
Jul 13 2009, 10:04 PM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Jul 13 2009, 07:42 PM)

Unless they talk about getting rid of Baron Davis, this deal is not worth it when they have 3 good pieces they can build around with Gordon, Griffin and Thornton...
Disagree with that last part. Thornton is a poor shooter, mediocre (at best) rebounder, bad passer, and bad defender.
Denbo32
Jul 13 2009, 11:23 PM
QUOTE (markdash @ Jul 13 2009, 11:04 PM)

Disagree with that last part. Thornton is a poor shooter, mediocre (at best) rebounder, bad passer, and bad defender.
so it like the perfect clipper.
tazdingo
Jul 13 2009, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (markdash @ Jul 14 2009, 11:04 AM)

Disagree with that last part. Thornton is a poor shooter, mediocre (at best) rebounder, bad passer, and bad defender.
Yea??? I think he's a much better player than most people think... I'm chalking majority of his unsuccessful year to injuries, Baron's inability to listen to Mike Dunleavy and Z-Bo just hogging the ball to himself...
MoskauWayne
Jul 14 2009, 02:36 AM
Allen Iverson to Clippers? LOL! There are 2 reasons why this is unimportant.
1. Who cares about Allen Iverson at this stage of his career. He is 1 dimensional and even worse he is old. Cant teach an old dog new tricks. If he does make it to the Clippers...the only reason to watch him is the same reason you watch the Harlem Globetrotters..because it's entertaining!
2. More importantly...who cares about the Clippers! Donald Sterling is the Al Davis of the NFL...both jokes!
King Gonzo
Jul 14 2009, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (MoskauWayne @ Jul 14 2009, 03:36 AM)

Allen Iverson to Clippers? LOL! There are 2 reasons why this is unimportant.
1. Who cares about Allen Iverson at this stage of his career. He is 1 dimensional and even worse he is old. Cant teach an old dog new tricks. If he does make it to the Clippers...the only reason to watch him is the same reason you watch the Harlem Globetrotters..because it's entertaining!
2. More importantly...who cares about the Clippers! Donald Sterling is the Al Davis of the NFL...both jokes!
i own baron and thorton so i care
MoskauWayne
Jul 14 2009, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (King Gonzo @ Jul 14 2009, 05:26 PM)

i own baron and thorton so i care
fantasy wise is a different story.
Ah, the Clippers...it's where great rookie players make a name for themselves to get a big contract on other teams or it's a place where old and used up superstars go to die
MoskauWayne
Jul 14 2009, 07:41 PM
i really dont understand the Clippers' interest in Iverson if true....why? a BIG FAT WHY? dont u have a great player at the 2 in Eric Gordon. Baron Davis aint the great player he used to be and only comes to play when he "feels like playing today". But id still take him over Iverson. Now if Iverson accepts the role of "sixth man" and he truly accepts that role...i retract this message. Cmon Clips...u just got rid of Zach Randolph. Iverson aint the player u should be replacing him with....
philflores81
Jul 14 2009, 07:47 PM
they need someone to attract in the stands. They practicle gave away tickets last year
bdams19
Jul 14 2009, 08:06 PM
QUOTE (MoskauWayne @ Jul 14 2009, 08:41 PM)

i really dont understand the Clippers' interest in Iverson if true....why? a BIG FAT WHY? dont u have a great player at the 2 in Eric Gordon. Baron Davis aint the great player he used to be and only comes to play when he "feels like playing today". But id still take him over Iverson. Now if Iverson accepts the role of "sixth man" and he truly accepts that role...i retract this message. Cmon Clips...u just got rid of Zach Randolph. Iverson aint the player u should be replacing him with....
He won't be sixth man... he said it was the worst thing he's ever experienced. I'm pretty sure that's going to be part of the deal.
tazdingo
Jul 14 2009, 08:32 PM
QUOTE (MoskauWayne @ Jul 15 2009, 08:41 AM)

i really dont understand the Clippers' interest in Iverson if true....why? a BIG FAT WHY? dont u have a great player at the 2 in Eric Gordon. Baron Davis aint the great player he used to be and only comes to play when he "feels like playing today". But id still take him over Iverson. Now if Iverson accepts the role of "sixth man" and he truly accepts that role...i retract this message. Cmon Clips...u just got rid of Zach Randolph. Iverson aint the player u should be replacing him with....
Remember when Iverson said he something like "I never want to do
this again" where he meant not playing off the bench? I still think he's still stuck with that attitude... Therefore, he'll be replacing Gordon if he signs with the Clipps unless they ship out Baron as well...
Deemarr
Jul 14 2009, 08:35 PM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Jul 14 2009, 09:32 PM)

unless they ship out Baron as well...
Good luck trying that with his contract.
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 21 2009, 09:18 PM
Not looking good. Every day that passes its more unlikely he's signed
QUOTE (SkinsRBack @ Jul 13 2009, 09:05 AM)

Where are you getting that from? I mean he doesn't have all the options in the world, but I bet he'll be on a team by training camp.
Rush2112
Jul 21 2009, 09:38 PM
A.I. is still without a team. how ironic i wonder why? well for one he has to start and there are really no starting gigs left in the NBA. The only two teams he could go to are the Grizzlies & your new york knicks!
Go Texans Go
Jul 21 2009, 11:17 PM
you guys might think this is wack but is it possible Houston could end up landing him...
Hou has real no scorer now (Tmac and yao out)...wafer prolly wont resign and starting SG is prolly Battier now with rookies Budinger, Taylor as backup 2's...
we need a scorer and a 1 year deal for AI would not be so bad would it? he can also teach Budinger and Taylor too!
Anyone think this is possible or just crazy?
Skoodog
Jul 22 2009, 12:00 AM
QUOTE (Go Texans Go @ Jul 21 2009, 09:17 PM)

you guys might think this is wack but is it possible Houston could end up landing him...
Hou has real no scorer now (Tmac and yao out)...wafer prolly wont resign and starting SG is prolly Battier now with rookies Budinger, Taylor as backup 2's...
we need a scorer and a 1 year deal for AI would not be so bad would it? he can also teach Budinger and Taylor too!
Anyone think this is possible or just crazy?
Not crazy at all. AI still has something in the tank, he's an entertaining player and that is all you can hope for while you guys have your 7-year rebuilding period which is mandatory for all teams who take on the misery that is Artest.
At least you can be assured that Ron-Ron will curse the Lakers this year.
verycoolnin
Jul 25 2009, 06:19 AM
Iverson was put into a bad situation with the Pistons. Even while being injured he averaged 19 points a game. He's a guy who gives 110% all the time in the game. I think he would be perfect for the Cavs now that he knows he's not the star on the team anymore.
tazdingo
Jul 26 2009, 07:55 AM
QUOTE (Go Texans Go @ Jul 22 2009, 12:17 PM)

you guys might think this is wack but is it possible Houston could end up landing him...
Hou has real no scorer now (Tmac and yao out)...wafer prolly wont resign and starting SG is prolly Battier now with rookies Budinger, Taylor as backup 2's...
we need a scorer and a 1 year deal for AI would not be so bad would it? he can also teach Budinger and Taylor too!
Anyone think this is possible or just crazy?
This could actually work for both of them however I think the Rockets will have to depart with T-Mac before they can pull something like this off since it doesn't look like the Rockets will be sending Brooks to the bench anytime soon...
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 30 2009, 01:05 PM
Allen Iverson is fading further and further into oblivion. I couldnt be more delighted!
Warno
Jul 30 2009, 02:10 PM
Too bad, I drafted him this year in the second round and paid the price. He came off of a great year too, now it looks like the end for him unfortunately.
I am surprised there has been no talk of him going to Europe though, he could probably make 5x the amount of money over there than he can here.
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 30 2009, 02:17 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see him in a uniform over there somewhere next year. Its certainly not out of the question. Lets see how it all plays out.
QUOTE (Warno @ Jul 30 2009, 03:10 PM)

Too bad, I drafted him this year in the second round and paid the price. He came off of a great year too, now it looks like the end for him unfortunately.
I am surprised there has been no talk of him going to Europe though, he could probably make 5x the amount of money over there than he can here.
Code of Hammurabi
Aug 18 2009, 03:11 PM
Just seems that no one is interested in this guy........
Denbo32
Aug 18 2009, 04:34 PM
Players that still need to sign.
AI, Lee, Nate, anyone else that actually matters?
gsw
Aug 18 2009, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Aug 18 2009, 02:34 PM)

Players that still need to sign.
AI, Lee, Nate, anyone else that actually matters?
I thought Nate signed?
tazdingo
Aug 19 2009, 07:28 PM
If Iverson were to be signed by either the Heat, Knicks or Grizz, what would his value be to each corresponding team? I think he can only truly benefit in a Knicks system which could probably see him generate 3rd-4th round value depending on his health... The Heat and Grizz seem too difficult to gauge where his value would pop out...
Thats Ridiculous
Aug 19 2009, 08:15 PM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Aug 19 2009, 05:28 PM)

If Iverson were to be signed by either the Heat, Knicks or Grizz, what would his value be to each corresponding team? I think he can only truly benefit in a Knicks system which could probably see him generate 3rd-4th round value depending on his health... The Heat and Grizz seem too difficult to gauge where his value would pop out...
funny you mention it. I've been considering Iverson for my next pick. His Twitter today says he's close to a deal.
And to be honest with you, I think he'll do well on all 3 of those teams.(Heat, Knicks, Grizz)
-The Heat need him on the court with Wade. It would help take the pressure off of Wade. Plus, Iverson is not the greatest defender, but he is elite in Stealing the ball. Despite Pat Riley's claims that he'd stick with Mario Chalmers as the starter, that's all B.S. If Pat Riley wants to win a championship(or even make the damn playoffs!), he'll have to use Iverson over Chalmers.
Riley is only gonna give Iverson a cheap 1 year contract anyway, so it's all good. Utilize him to the max.
-The Knicks also would sign Iverson to a 1 year contract. Right now the starting SG is Larry Hughes. Come on. Iverson is a huge upgrade over Hughes. Also, if the Knicks do sign Iverson, they will trade away Nate Robinson. If they don't get Iverson, they'll keep Nate. That's their plan. But I think more than anything the Knicks really want Ramon Sessions. And I have a strong feeling they'll get Sessions. Not Iverson.
-The Grizz need to sell tickets. Iverson would do just that. Plus, Iverson would be plugged into the starting PG role, and send Conley to the bench. Conley really hasn't improved much over the past couple years. The scoring power of Iverson, Mayo, Gay, and Z-Bo could be very helpful in making the Grizz competitive this season.
I don't know where Iverson is going, but I personally would like to see him play in Miami. I think they need his scoring power. To help out Wade and Beasley. Haslem and JON aren't gonna score much. It would be great if the Heat can somehow get Boozer too.
rico381
Aug 19 2009, 10:25 PM
I have to disagree with you here. I think both the heat and the grizzlies are more likely to stick with their young point guards than send them to the bench for Iverson to start. I don't know where you get the idea that Conley hasn't improved, but he got 36 mpg post-all-star break under new coach Lionel Hollins, and he proved that he deserved them. For a 21-year old, he was very good. As you said, the Knicks are going to sign Sessions in all likelihood, and they still have to pay David Lee and maybe Nate Robinson. I suppose they could sign AI, but it seems unlikely.
Thats Ridiculous
Aug 19 2009, 10:42 PM
Conley has improved a little bit. He's a solid backup player.
But doesn't it sound silly trying to compare Mike Conley to Allen Iverson ?
Taipan
Aug 19 2009, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (rico381 @ Aug 19 2009, 10:25 PM)

I have to disagree with you here. I think both the heat and the grizzlies are more likely to stick with their young point guards than send them to the bench for Iverson to start. I don't know where you get the idea that Conley hasn't improved, but he got 36 mpg post-all-star break under new coach Lionel Hollins, and he proved that he deserved them. For a 21-year old, he was very good. As you said, the Knicks are going to sign Sessions in all likelihood, and they still have to pay David Lee and maybe Nate Robinson. I suppose they could sign AI, but it seems unlikely.
Agree with you my friend!
Iverson's ego will be the reason this small giant is phased out of the NBA without much fanfare.
I think he gets signed tomorrow if he's willing to come off a bench.
I don't see Memphis and Miami wanting a ball-dominant SG masquerading as a PG - to the detriment of their young stars.
D'Antoni's system thrives on ball movement and Iverson's a ball stopper. No way!
rico381
Aug 19 2009, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Aug 19 2009, 08:42 PM)

Conley has improved a little bit. He's a solid backup player.
But doesn't it sound silly trying to compare Mike Conley to Allen Iverson ?
Look at his
post-ASB numbers again. He's alot better than a solid backup, especially at 21 years old. Memphis right now has two options: they can accept that they're not going to the playoffs, build around their solid core of young players, including three top-4 picks in the past three years (Conley, Mayo, Thabeet) alongside a potential star in Gay and a solid starter in Gasol, and pray that Zach Randolph breaks his own ankles on one of his famed crossover moves and has to miss the entire season, just to be safe. Or they can sign Iverson, and have possibly the starting lineup with the least assists ever. Has any team ever had four ballhogs on the scale of Iverson, Mayo, Gay, and Randolph? Gasol isn't exactly an assist extraordinaire, either. Seems like a no-brainer to me, but it's Chris Wallace, so that probably means Allen Iverson is flying over right now, and they're working on a deal of Conley and Gasol for Eddy Curry, because a shot at history like this is just too good to pass up. They could average single-digit assists as a team! And you thought the Grizzlies would never make the record books....
Thats Ridiculous
Aug 19 2009, 11:19 PM
You gotta give more "Assist" credit to Iverson than that. He averages a career 6.2 Assists. That's pretty damn good, considering the fact he also has a career average of 27.1 Points.
You both have legit points.
But if Miami or Memphis are seriously willing to take the chance on Iverson, they will have put a lot of thought into those points you've made about their young players.
So if they do sign him, I can guarantee you that they will not have him come off a bench.
Whoever signs him will have made the sacrifice to hold off on their youngsters for another year.
BubbaT
Aug 20 2009, 12:25 AM
Iverson's pretty much a better everything than Conley, except on-ball defender. If he goes to Memphis he'll take Conley's job easy, assuming he's given a fair chance to compete for it.
I don't like Iverson's fit with Miami's starters, who already have Wade and Beasley to score. But he fits great with the 2nd unit, which has no scorers, and would probably finish 70% of the games instead of Chalmers.
monkeyzonSteroids
Aug 20 2009, 01:25 AM
QUOTE (BubbaT @ Aug 19 2009, 10:25 PM)

Iverson's pretty much a better everything than Conley, except on-ball defender. If he goes to Memphis he'll take Conley's job easy, assuming he's given a fair chance to compete for it.
I don't like Iverson's fit with Miami's starters, who already have Wade and Beasley to score. But he fits great with the 2nd unit, which has no scorers, and would probably finish 70% of the games instead of Chalmers.
you gotta be kidding me. Im tired of people stating how good Iverson defense is just because he gets "elite steals." Steals do not determine how good defensively you are, steals just mean you gamble more and when you miss, you leave your men wide open. Im not saying this always happen, but if you watch AI play defense, hes pretty bad.
I have already lost all faith in the grizzles organization, franchise, gm, whatever. The gasol trade, signing of randolph were both just horrible so I wouldnt put it past them to sign AI and hand him the starting PG job. Sure AI may have averaged over 7 assists a game while scoring 25 plus points, but he did that because he pretty much dominated the ball every possession. His years at the 76ers he was basically a one man show. Its pretty easy to rack up 7 assists (even though your teamates suck) when you have the ball in your hands most of the time. In Denver, it was basically him and Carmelo. Im not saying hes a garbage player or what not, all im saying is that he needs to be the main option in order to be successful on a team.
Chalmers is very underrated. Wade loves this kid because he can knock down the three, something AI cant do. When wade penetrates and gets triple teamed, he can throw it to Chalmers. I could see AI in the 2nd until though when Wade is on the bench because I believe AI still can score. He would be their number 1 player off the bench which would suit what he wants. AI is such a black hole thats why you dont see any contending teams that are throwing him offers.
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