Gnosis
Jul 17 2009, 05:45 PM
Thoughts?
I'm projecting 17pts, 6 boards, 4 assists with .75 blocks 1 steal and 1 three per game.. assuming he starts for the Kings the whole way.
krazydragonboi
Jul 17 2009, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Jul 17 2009, 03:45 PM)

Thoughts?
I'm projecting 17pts, 6 boards, 4 assists with .75 blocks 1 steal and 1 three per game.. assuming he starts for the Kings the whole way.
12pts- 5rb- 4asst- 3 TOs
tazdingo
Jul 17 2009, 07:28 PM
QUOTE (krazydragonboi @ Jul 18 2009, 08:20 AM)

12pts- 5rb- 4asst- 3 TOs
This sounds about right... I'm thinking Felton-ish numbers... I'm not so crazy about him but if he is there in the final 2 rounds, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him up since he seems virtually unchallenged at the 1 spot... However, I'm expecting bad TOs and FG from the kid if I pick him up...
socra7es
Jul 18 2009, 12:31 AM
Haven't seen Evans play, how is his skills comparing to Rose.
tazdingo
Jul 18 2009, 01:16 AM
QUOTE (socra7es @ Jul 18 2009, 01:31 PM)

Haven't seen Evans play, how is his skills comparing to Rose.
I'd say kind of like Rondo on his first year with the Big 3 of the Celts without the horrid 3s and FT%... He does look like he has the ability to nail triple doubles...
tazdingo
Jul 18 2009, 01:21 PM
Hmmm... Who do you guys think will have better value; Evans or Jennings?
Gnosis
Jul 18 2009, 01:44 PM
Definitely Evans.. Jennings is behind Sessions and Ridnour plus SKiles doesn't really like rookies. I expect very little from Jennings this year and think they picked him more as a developmental prospect than an immediate impact player like the kings are expecting from evans.
tazdingo
Jul 19 2009, 05:38 AM
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Jul 19 2009, 02:44 AM)

Definitely Evans.. Jennings is behind Sessions and Ridnour plus SKiles doesn't really like rookies. I expect very little from Jennings this year and think they picked him more as a developmental prospect than an immediate impact player like the kings are expecting from evans.
You're right bout Skiles not really having a thing for the rooks but it doesn't look like the Bucks are gonna be keeping Sessions...
markdash
Jul 19 2009, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (krazydragonboi @ Jul 17 2009, 05:20 PM)

12pts- 5rb- 4asst- 3 TOs
I think that's a pretty reasonable guess.
JetCityPersian
Jul 19 2009, 10:30 PM
Hello Gilbert 2.0...
Gnosis
Jul 19 2009, 11:37 PM
After looking at his summer league stats I'm sticking with my original projection, except the 0.75 blocks were probably too optimistic. Maybe something like 0.4 instead depending on minutes. He just isn't a vertical athlete, much more lateral.
markdash
Jul 19 2009, 11:51 PM
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Jul 19 2009, 09:37 PM)

After looking at his summer league stats I'm sticking with my original projection, except the 0.75 blocks were probably too optimistic. Maybe something like 0.4 instead depending on minutes. He just isn't a vertical athlete, much more lateral.
Summer league stats? Come on. You know who else was a summer league superstar? Marco Belinelli.
Kobe_No_Means_No
Jul 19 2009, 11:56 PM
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Jul 19 2009, 08:37 PM)

After looking at his summer league stats I'm sticking with my original projection, except the 0.75 blocks were probably too optimistic. Maybe something like 0.4 instead depending on minutes. He just isn't a vertical athlete, much more lateral.
0.75 blocks would have ranked him #1 overall shot-blocking point guard.
Don't put too much hope in rookies. Even seemingly studly rooks like Derrick Rose and Russel Westbrook couldn't crack the top 100 list last season.
This game is all about efficiency.
tazdingo
Jul 20 2009, 12:22 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Jul 20 2009, 12:51 PM)

Summer league stats? Come on. You know who else was a summer league superstar? Marco Belinelli.
Don't forget Corey Brewer & Jerryd Bayless...
elongoria12
Jul 20 2009, 12:35 AM
how about adam morrison holding it down!
Gnosis
Jul 20 2009, 12:35 AM
The summer league stats were not what I based my projections on, but they didn't do anything to deter any of the numbers in my mind (except for the blocks). I expect the kid to be a ROY candidate
gsw
Jul 20 2009, 03:23 AM
Let me be the first to say:
BUST!
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 20 2009, 07:01 AM
Evans may post modest numbers of 12pg-4 rpg-4apg with some steals and blocks. However, he could really end of punishing gms in the fg% and to catagory. The numbers above are not good enough to justify carrying the dead weight in fg% and tos.....
JetCityPersian
Jul 20 2009, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (markdash @ Jul 19 2009, 09:51 PM)

Summer league stats? Come on. You know who else was a summer league superstar? Marco Belinelli.
Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, Randy Foye...

Point taken though. You should give Hasheem Thabeet a call!
instant grits
Jul 20 2009, 10:34 AM
if tyreke doesn't take too many 3's and take the majority of his shots at the rim, his FG% should be fine. it all depends on how the kings want to develop him.
i have him on my fantasy sleeper list - i see him getting atleast 38 minutes a night.
my only problem is that i play in fantasy leagues with the majority of people from memphis, and the majority of people having attended the university of memphis - therefor inflating tyreke's value significantly in the leagues i will be in. i am not a tiger homer, i just feel tyreke will get the minutes, touches, and looks to make him a fantasy contributor.
but
for those of you who aren't in a league with a bunch of tiger homers i wouldn't sleep on evans.
chris wallace - the gm of the grizzlies - likely would have taken evans with the #2 pick overall - the owner wanted thabeet, and well, the grizzlies got thabeet......
i see evans 17 ppg (46% - once again assuming he mostly attacks the rim) 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, .7 blocks
tyreke = dwade/2
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 20 2009, 10:48 AM
wow those are bolds stats. I dont see that type of playmaking ability at all from evans. He's going to be a shoot first pass second type of player, especially to start his career. With Beno still there (as bad as he is), I think 38 mins per game is not likely. I see more like 30-32 mpg. The blocks and steals are likely on point though.
QUOTE (instant grits @ Jul 20 2009, 11:34 AM)

if tyreke doesn't take too many 3's and take the majority of his shots at the rim, his FG% should be fine. it all depends on how the kings want to develop him.
i have him on my fantasy sleeper list - i see him getting atleast 38 minutes a night.
my only problem is that i play in fantasy leagues with the majority of people from memphis, and the majority of people having attended the university of memphis - therefor inflating tyreke's value significantly in the leagues i will be in. i am not a tiger homer, i just feel tyreke will get the minutes, touches, and looks to make him a fantasy contributor.
but
for those of you who aren't in a league with a bunch of tiger homers i wouldn't sleep on evans.
chris wallace - the gm of the grizzlies - likely would have taken evans with the #2 pick overall - the owner wanted thabeet, and well, the grizzlies got thabeet......
i see evans 17 ppg (46% - once again assuming he mostly attacks the rim) 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, .7 blocks
tyreke = dwade/2
tazdingo
Jul 20 2009, 10:56 AM
QUOTE (instant grits @ Jul 20 2009, 11:34 PM)

if tyreke doesn't take too many 3's and take the majority of his shots at the rim, his FG% should be fine. it all depends on how the kings want to develop him.
i have him on my fantasy sleeper list - i see him getting atleast 38 minutes a night.
my only problem is that i play in fantasy leagues with the majority of people from memphis, and the majority of people having attended the university of memphis - therefor inflating tyreke's value significantly in the leagues i will be in. i am not a tiger homer, i just feel tyreke will get the minutes, touches, and looks to make him a fantasy contributor.
but
for those of you who aren't in a league with a bunch of tiger homers i wouldn't sleep on evans.
chris wallace - the gm of the grizzlies - likely would have taken evans with the #2 pick overall - the owner wanted thabeet, and well, the grizzlies got thabeet......
i see evans 17 ppg (46% - once again assuming he mostly attacks the rim) 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, .7 blocks
tyreke = dwade/2
I'm not sleeping on him either (I wanna see if I can get him in the final rounds of the draft) but those stats are kinda inflated I think for a rook who's not exactly "the man" in his team...
Gnosis
Jul 20 2009, 02:50 PM
tazdingo you're right he's not EXACTLY 'the man' on the Kings, but if Kevin Martin gets injured again (which is a definite possibility) then personally I assume he will be 'the man'. Even if Martin plays the entire season healthy, I still expect Evans to be the No. 2 scorer on the team.
per rotoworld: "Kings writer Sam Amick praised first round pick Tyreke Evans observing that he demonstrated an ability to put defenders on their heels. He also highlighted his defensive quickness and a strong work ethic. His slashing ability and speed may be a good compliment to teammate Kevin Martin. If the two connect, Evans could be a worthy rookie to pick up in the draft."
I'm thinking I'll take him in the 8th round as of now, but obviously this is very early and he could rise or fall in my eyes quite a bit either way by the time the fantasy drafts start rolling around.
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 20 2009, 03:23 PM
I think Hawes or Garcia will be the second leading scorer, but it could be close. Evans could be a close third.....
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Jul 20 2009, 03:50 PM)

tazdingo you're right he's not EXACTLY 'the man' on the Kings, but if Kevin Martin gets injured again (which is a definite possibility) then personally I assume he will be 'the man'. Even if Martin plays the entire season healthy, I still expect Evans to be the No. 2 scorer on the team.
per rotoworld: "Kings writer Sam Amick praised first round pick Tyreke Evans observing that he demonstrated an ability to put defenders on their heels. He also highlighted his defensive quickness and a strong work ethic. His slashing ability and speed may be a good compliment to teammate Kevin Martin. If the two connect, Evans could be a worthy rookie to pick up in the draft."
I'm thinking I'll take him in the 8th round as of now, but obviously this is very early and he could rise or fall in my eyes quite a bit either way by the time the fantasy drafts start rolling around.
Thats Ridiculous
Jul 20 2009, 04:17 PM
2nd leading scorer?
hello... Jason Thompson.
instant grits
Jul 20 2009, 05:52 PM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 20 2009, 10:48 AM)

wow those are bolds stats. I dont see that type of playmaking ability at all from evans. He's going to be a shoot first pass second type of player, especially to start his career. With Beno still there (as bad as he is), I think 38 mins per game is not likely. I see more like 30-32 mpg. The blocks and steals are likely on point though.
i am assuming of course that the kings bench beno and "give the keys" to tyreke.
17 points and 6 assists may be alot - but i really think tyreke can put up those sort of numbers...if he does get 38 minutes - he would be the only play maker...but, of course i can be wrong.
Gnosis
Jul 20 2009, 05:55 PM
I'm a Kings fan and will tell you that it's unlikely that Jason Thompson will be their second leading scorer for a variety of reasons including: foul trouble, lack of a back-to-the-basket game, and also the fact that Tyreke simply won't be able to find him as well as Beno could (which is definitely a knock against Tyreke). This doesn't mean that Tyreke won't get assists though, all of those double teams when he is driving will mean someone has to be open.
BubbaT
Jul 20 2009, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (instant grits @ Jul 20 2009, 07:34 AM)

i see evans 17 ppg (46% - once again assuming he mostly attacks the rim) 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, .7 blocks
tyreke = dwade/2
How'd you get divided by 2? That's a better statline than Wade himself had as a rookie.
tazdingo
Jul 21 2009, 03:39 AM
I think Hawes and JT will be the 2nd & 3rd options with Garcia creeping up from behind as he tries to establish himself a la how Salmons did when K-Mart went down for the 77th time...
instant grits
Jul 21 2009, 09:43 AM
QUOTE (BubbaT @ Jul 20 2009, 06:46 PM)

How'd you get divided by 2? That's a better statline than Wade himself had as a rookie.
i don't see tyreke being the fantasy stud or playing at the level of dwade.
i will admit that i may have over predicted tyreke's stats. but i do believe he is capable of putting up those type of stats in sacto, if given the minutes. and if the kings bench beno. if tyreke gets 38 minutes - he will be the only play maker the kings have, and he will have to score 15 + a night.
plus, why wouldn't the kings want to give tyreke all the minutes he can handle. the kings already know what beno can do, and its not anything close to what the kings are hoping for out of tyreke
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 21 2009, 11:21 AM
Jason Thompson is the most foul prone player i have ever seen. Its totally sad how bad he is defensively.
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Jul 20 2009, 06:55 PM)

I'm a Kings fan and will tell you that it's unlikely that Jason Thompson will be their second leading scorer for a variety of reasons including: foul trouble, lack of a back-to-the-basket game, and also the fact that Tyreke simply won't be able to find him as well as Beno could (which is definitely a knock against Tyreke). This doesn't mean that Tyreke won't get assists though, all of those double teams when he is driving will mean someone has to be open.
Thats Ridiculous
Jul 21 2009, 01:16 PM
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 21 2009, 09:21 AM)

Jason Thompson is the most foul prone player i have ever seen. Its totally sad how bad he is defensively.
no, the worst is that kid on the Wizards last year. i can't remember his name.
JT was the 2nd leading scorer for the Kings last year. and he was racking up a boatload of double-doubles in the 2nd half of the season.
you'd have to anticipate he'd be much improved this year. he's definitely part of the Kings' immediate future.
if Tyreke Evans can't find JT, then i don't think Tyreke is gonna see much playing time. the Kings need a PG who can distribute the ball. Beno might have to cut into Tyreke's PT. and the more i think of it, the more i anticipate Beno starting and getting more PT than rookie Tyreke.
Gnosis
Jul 21 2009, 02:15 PM
JT isn't bad defensively.. but he does foul a LOT. And there is no way that Beno keeps the starting job past the first month of the season.
bloopy
Jul 22 2009, 01:04 AM
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Jul 21 2009, 02:16 PM)

no, the worst is that kid on the Wizards last year. i can't remember his name.
...damn you blatche!! that was definitely one of the most entertaining threads of last year. and much more long-lived than the anthony morrow one.
Code of Hammurabi
Jul 22 2009, 07:18 AM
Thompson was not the 2nd leading scorer on the team last year...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=sacQUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Jul 21 2009, 02:16 PM)

no, the worst is that kid on the Wizards last year. i can't remember his name.
JT was the 2nd leading scorer for the Kings last year. and he was racking up a boatload of double-doubles in the 2nd half of the season.
you'd have to anticipate he'd be much improved this year. he's definitely part of the Kings' immediate future.
if Tyreke Evans can't find JT, then i don't think Tyreke is gonna see much playing time. the Kings need a PG who can distribute the ball. Beno might have to cut into Tyreke's PT. and the more i think of it, the more i anticipate Beno starting and getting more PT than rookie Tyreke.
MNDOGG
Oct 20 2009, 11:24 PM
Kid went off tonight,vs the Suns starters for the most part too! 21,4,8 with 2 blks , 1 stl and 2 treys in 28 mins! 4 TOS though..I have him on my squad and was wondering what i have here? Is he for real or will he just be a FG and TO disaster that will hurt you more than help? I haven't seen him play a game yet , but the boxscores have looked good recently..any Sactown people around who have seen him play this preaseason have any input? thanks!
bdams19
Oct 20 2009, 11:28 PM
westbrook with 3s?
negrotiator
Oct 20 2009, 11:39 PM
QUOTE (bdams19 @ Oct 21 2009, 12:28 AM)

westbrook with 3s?
wouldnt be surprised. he's got at least 3 inches on every pg he goes against. not to mention his ridiculous wingspan. I see him being topping westbrook's rookie season in just about every category.
Thats Ridiculous
Oct 21 2009, 12:03 AM
it's nice to see this kid put up a great line like tonight.
even if it's jsut a preseason game, and it's against the non-defense Suns.
Yell_42
Oct 21 2009, 12:17 AM
Tyreke Evans projections
16.5 ppg
5.2 rpg
4.6 apg
1.1 spg
42% fg
31% 3fg
76% ft
Its gonna be a very similar to Westbrooks rookie year.
reptar15
Oct 21 2009, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Oct 21 2009, 01:17 AM)

Tyreke Evans projections
16.5 ppg
5.2 rpg
4.6 apg
1.1 spg
42% fg
31% 3fg
76% ft
Its gonna be a very similar to Westbrooks rookie year.
he'll have a very good rookie season
just becareful with his turn overs
i wish the raptors were able to draft him
AmIregistered?
Oct 21 2009, 01:00 AM
I can't give any honest projections right now. However, his ability to rebound, steal, and block shots is what makes him a truly valuable point guard. That said, I'm sure many teams will cover him with their 2 guard most of the time. If he can average 5apg and his turnovers remain around 4pg, then his value will be determined largely by his percentages and the amount of 3's he can make. He's definately looking like a 2nd teir point guard right now. Yes, that sounds absurd, because it is absurd. People love potential. He will start going way too high very soon.
I acquired him very late in one money league (Rnd 14). I'm glad we drafted 3 weeks ago. He's probably cracking the top 8 or 9 rounds now. While he may be worth a 8th round selection this season, I'd hate to take that risk in a money league. If fact, I know I would never get him as I play it safe most of the time.
I know this sounds trite. But let someone else take the chance of drafting him before round 10. I think he can be a very good 3rd teir point guard this season. but little more. If you aimply MUST have him, look for him after the 2nd teir guys like Mo Williams, Leandro Barbosas, and Jason Terrys, but among the T.J. Fords, Mike Bibbys, Mario Chalmers etc.
Rookies rarely have great seasons. Don't risk it unless it's a free league and you simply can't live without him.
Gnosis
Oct 21 2009, 04:46 PM
I have watched the majority of Tyreke's preseason games, and the kid is a stud. Against the Lakers he was doing a great job of guarding Kobe (which is ridiculously impressive for a rookie with no regular season experience under his belt yet), holding him to 6 of 16 shooting. His size as a point guard is ridiculous, but what is most impressive is his ability to drive at will. He reminds me a lot of a young Joe Johnson except playing the point guard position instead of off guard, and with screwed up shot mechanics (even though they are pretty effective).
Take him in the 9th round and don't look back.
MNDOGG
Oct 21 2009, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Oct 21 2009, 02:46 PM)

I have watched the majority of Tyreke's preseason games, and the kid is a stud. Against the Lakers he was doing a great job of guarding Kobe (which is ridiculously impressive for a rookie with no regular season experience under his belt yet), holding him to 6 of 16 shooting. His size as a point guard is ridiculous, but what is most impressive is his ability to drive at will. He reminds me a lot of a young Joe Johnson except playing the point guard position instead of off guard, and with screwed up shot mechanics (even though they are pretty effective).
Take him in the 9th round and don't look back.
Check this out! His mechanics are so weird but its MONEY! Great release and fluid stroke..just takes a while to get it off..but it definitely works for him..snaps the wrist and has a nice looking release and finish..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaptU2Ezh2g
Rusty Shackleford
Oct 21 2009, 11:50 PM
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Oct 21 2009, 04:46 PM)

I have watched the majority of Tyreke's preseason games, and the kid is a stud. Against the Lakers he was doing a great job of guarding Kobe (which is ridiculously impressive for a rookie with no regular season experience under his belt yet), holding him to 6 of 16 shooting. His size as a point guard is ridiculous, but what is most impressive is his ability to drive at will. He reminds me a lot of a young Joe Johnson except playing the point guard position instead of off guard, and with screwed up shot mechanics (even though they are pretty effective).
Take him in the 9th round and don't look back.
Thank you! I was trying to think of who he reminds me of, and actually came on to this thread to ask that very question, but then I read your post.
JJ is a good call.
papyrusproductions
Oct 22 2009, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (MNDOGG @ Oct 21 2009, 06:49 PM)

Check this out! His mechanics are so weird but its MONEY! Great release and fluid stroke..just takes a while to get it off..but it definitely works for him..snaps the wrist and has a nice looking release and finish..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaptU2Ezh2gThat video just sold me. I'm drafting him now.
Warno
Oct 22 2009, 12:38 AM
He can change speeds ridiculously fast. Seriously though, that video just showed him hitting open jumpers... nothing overly impressive.
MNDOGG
Oct 22 2009, 12:39 AM
QUOTE (papyrusproductions @ Oct 21 2009, 10:31 PM)

That video just sold me. I'm drafting him now.
yeah it did for me too..i always youtube players and do my own scouting..
MNDOGG
Oct 22 2009, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (Warno @ Oct 21 2009, 10:38 PM)

He can change speeds ridiculously fast. Seriously though, that video just showed him hitting open jumpers... nothing overly impressive.
Thats what its all about! Knocking down open J's!!! lol..
Warno
Oct 22 2009, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (MNDOGG @ Oct 22 2009, 01:41 AM)

Thats what its all about! Knocking down open J's!!! lol..
Ya got that right, just like
this kid - the 1st overall pick of the 2025 draft!!
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