For those who watched summer league games, were you impressed as I was? Seems like a 6th or 7th round selection at this point. I see numbers like this, what do others think?

16 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2 apg, 55% fgs, 65% fts, .7 blocks, .6 steals

Really a sort of mini-me carlos boozer line. He really should block more shots with as athletic as he is, but I just dont see it.........He will improve in that cat over the years I would presume.....

I don't know what to make of his blocks. He clearly has the ability, as anyone who watches him jump can see, and he had 10 multi-block games in college last year. But he also had 11 games with 0 blocks. Summer league wasn't encouraging, only 2 blocks in 5 games. He'll be pretty harmful on FT% (60% shooter in college, 17/37 in the summer) and TO (over 3/gm in college, 4.2/gm in summer) as well.

I'm seeing a 3-cat player (Pts, Reb, FG%) with not much else to offer past that, maybe 1-1.2 stl. Hopefully Dunleavy quits this stupid idea of having Griffin shoot 3s, the harm to his FG% will more than outweigh the benefit of a handful of 3pm over the course of the season. Major universal drawbacks in FT% and TO, and a major positional drawback in Blk.

I could see 8th round in H2H depending on team needs, and anywhere from 10th round to Do Not Draft in roto. I don't see a mini-Boozer, I see a mini-Dwight Howard sans blocks.

Man good call on the tos. I did not realize how bad he was in college with the tos. Having a C or PF with over 3 tos per game is pretty devastating in most league formats. I wonder with Baron dominating the rock and getting him the ball in his spots will help with the binge TO parties? Some relief in that cat would be nice.....

What I saw, he's athletic, strong or maybe explosive is better, can rebound andget out on the break and finish...he needs a decent back to basket move if he's going to be an effective power forward. He can't face every SF/PF up. Maybe a more consistent jumper. I think if he works on his ball-handling which is not bad for a big man, and his shot, which is not great, he'll be just fine in the NBA.

I'm not gonna be drafting Griffin. esp if it would be costing me a 7th round pick.

Second coming of Boozer which shouldn't be a bad thing.

I'd rather draft him next year... He seems like he'll be delivering how Durant did in his rookie year to the fantasy world: not a lot but got a lot of promise...

griffin will get picked too early in most drafts. i'm likely to pass unless he slips to the late rounds

The more I have watched of him, the less I find to like. The reason I don't like the Boozer comparisons is because I don't see him hVing the tools to ever becomig near as polished as Boozer. I see him ad a thicker and smoother Tyrus Thomas with less blocks. I just rarely see Griffin use skill to beat someone and it's all dunks. I'm not very high on him and think I'd rather have the guarantee in blocks and boards at the NBA level with Thabeet and sacrifice a handful of points between the likely top rook big men. Also Thabeet likely won't shoot enough FTs to hurt you as badl as Griffin will there and will also not have the ball enough to crush you in TOs like Griffin.

unless i can steal him on draft day, i will skip.

What round would you consider him a steal?

I would draft this kid in the 7th round.

in one year leagues, temper expectations(round 7-8 seems about right)

in dynasty leagues this guy warrants 3-5 round pick

I just saw a replay of one of his summer league games (LAC vs. LAL) and I have to say I was really impressed... Even if his FT is horrid & he doesn't block as much as he should, this game made me want to take him even more...

Don't think I'd draft him in roto leagues, maybe late in a h2h league if i'm punting ft/to

I know what you mean. The ft%, tos, and lack of Blocks are really going to hurt his value until they improve.

What exactly about Griffin shows that he going to be a legit star in the NBA? besides the fact that he the #1 pick in this draft?

I just don't see the amazing skill set that screams star to me. I'm not sure he ever sniffs an all star game, besides the rookie/soph game which he will get to.

Well there aren't a lot of players in the league with his size & skill... The guy was doing fade-away jumpers and still plays great at the post... It's also scary to think that all you see him do is train harder & harder... I honestly think he'll be alot better than Amare in the future...

A lot better then Amare? I guess I'll have to wait and see, I was looking at maybe Glenn Robinson.

Im not sure what he'll be like as an NBA player. Where did you come up with the Glenn comparison? Big dawg was a jumpshooting combo forward who rebounded poorly. I dont see the comparision at all? I think he'll be a mix of Carlos Boozer and Amare. Like both he's going to be a somewhat below average shot blocker and defender. He will really be a top notch rebounder at the next level and may even push Dhoward for a rebounding title in 3-4 years.

I think it because his frame isn't as big as it seems, while he young and everyone is projecting his body will continue to grow.

I guess I just haven't been impressed with him in the Summer camps so far, and not giving him alot of credit, but I need to see him match up vs NBA players and not College kids and Summer camp scrubs first.

I'm confused by the Glenn Robinson comparison too. Big Dog was a very skilled, perimeter-oriented player who averaged 30 ppg as a college soph and 22 ppg as an NBA rookie - the 2nd highest rookie average in the last 15 years, behind Iverson and ahead of Lebron, Melo, Durant, Carter, Duncan, etc. Griffin wasn't/won't be close to either of those numbers, nor is he close to Robinson skill-wise.

I see more of a mix between Kenyon Martin and Antonio McDyess, minus blocks. Both came into the league very raw in terms of skills, and relied heavily on their tremendous athleticism. If Griffin works hard he could have the career a healthy McDyess would have had - a regular AS, but not a superstar. If not he could be Martin, a guy with an occasional post move who mostly relies on being set up for dunks by guards.

It's obvious why Griffin doesn't block shots; he has extremely short arms. I think he'll be a successful NBA player, because he does have outstanding athleticism and can handle and shoot the ball, but I don't see him being anymore than a 17 and 9 player at his absolute peak. If he tries to post guys up with any consistency at all, he's going to get rejected numerous times because of his short arms.

I agree re: the blocks totally. However, I cant agree with the rationale on scoring at all. There is plenty of time for him to develop a perimeter game to augment his post/pick and roll game. I think he can get to 20ppg at some point in his career.

I think he'll be more than a 9 reb guy at his peak. He might be more than a 9 reb guy this year. Rebounding is more about timing, positioning and effort than length, very few rebounds come from tips or guys going over someone else. It's hard to jump when someone's sitting on your knees.

I think he becomes a perennial 10 rpg kind of guy

I would need him to prove it to me before I draft him. He can prove it on someone else is bench, or starting lineup.

That's like drafting in 03' with the Lebron, Bosh, Carmelo and Wade class and saying you won't draft any of them because they would have to prove to you that they can be good first.

Well that true, and I didn't draft any of them.

James was amazing, but he was also super hype beyond belief, and I think he was being drafted as early as the 3rd round in many draft his rookie year before he played 1 min in the NBA

Bosh did 11/7 with 1.4 blocks while is solid, that not a huge miss that I didn't get him his rookie year. I do not know what his ADP was

Melo put up a ton of points, but his overall fantasy game was still very average.

Wade rookie year was 16 points and 4.5 assists with 4 rebounds on good %. Very solid numbers, great for a rookie. If you took him with your 8th round pick you would be happy with those numbers.

Do you want me to now point out the all the rookie picks that are busts?

LOL. Nah. plenty of them were. Ala Oden.

Lets even take Durant from that year, he was being drafted in the 7th round(I think he was going earlier, but lets just say the 7th round) He had a pretty good rookie year from what we all remember right?

Scored 20 points, 4.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists on 2.9 TO's .7 3's 1 steal 1 block on 43% and 87%

Pretty good numbers right? He pretty much fit his ADP by doing that. He didn't blow out his ADP, but you paid for the that upside.

im not saying that he would to that his rookie year, but down the road..

i could see him developing into a Carlos Boozer type of player.

I thought your 16 and 9.8 on 55% shooting was for this year since you said he would be worth a 6-7th round pick.

Down the road I have no idea, I just know that looking for that type of numbers from a rookie is really rough.

I am just going to let someone else draft him. I'm sure someone will over value him on his name alone, I will take the proven player instead.

rasheed or griffin? im kinda scared sheed might not perform this year considering his minutes. those days where he goes scoreless in 25 mins is pretty damn scary lol. griffin, even tho he doesn't block as much (im sure he'll still get some) his other stats will be solid across the board. im jocking the steals though...LOL

Griffin's FT % and TO's negate basically all his value, if he has any to begin with. In college he's playing against guys who are like 2 inches shorter than him and are just plain terrible. Assuming starters minutes (no guarantee) you're looking at something like 15 ppg 7.5 reb 1 ast .5 blk .5 stl 3 to 50% fg 60% ft. Thats not worth owning unless you're in a super deep league punting FT.

You can grab guys like Gooden/Hibbert/Noah in like the last round, all of whom will have better fantasy seasons.

LOL 17 and 9 at his peak, LOL. They will be his rookie numbers more like it.

He will be a 24/10 player within 3 years.

How the hell is Blake Griffin going to get 3 tos per game?

He is extremely turnover prone from what I have seen, mainly due to carelessness and inexperience. 3.0 per contest may be a stretch, but he will play enough mins to rack up 2.5 tos per imo, esp if one of the bigs gets dealt as we all expect.

All you doubters are dead wrong. Blake Griffin willl be very productive in almost every category. Pts, Rbs, Blks, Stls, and even Asts. He can handle the ball better then any power forward I've seen and he's very explosive to the basket. His only problem is turnovers and freethrows, but even that he's improved very much.

He had 3.3 per game in college against inferior defenders. That was in 33 min/g, which I'm not sure he'll be able to do in L.A.,but if you're trying to say that low minutes will keep his TOs down, they'll also keep all his other stats down.

He also was the main focal point of the offense and always had the ball in college. He wont have the same burden in the NBA.

The blocks are always going to be lacking for Blake, mainly due to the fact that he has very shorts arms. At best I see him putting up 1 block per contest down the road..

i can't believe i passed up on this kid to get sheed.

I think he can average 1 block a night. There are so many great shot blockers with short arms (Birdman, Turiaf, etc) but what makes them great shot blockers is there explosive jumping and timing.

"Knee injury sidelines Griffin. Clippers rookie Blake Griffin might miss the first six weeks of the season with a patella stress fracture."

Ouch! What's the move here now that Camby might be out too? I was trying to find Deandre Jordan but not sure if he's even worth picking up since Kaman is still alive.

wow

Injured already?!

how bout now?

wow.. as a fan of the game this sucks, i was looking forward to watching him play