what round value would sessions have if the knicks sign him?

round 3-4? I would take him first pick overall!

agree Sessions in D'Antoni's system looks scary... bad thing he doesn't shoot treys tho

yea round 4 easily, maybe 3.....

In NY, Sessions is 16ppg-4.5 rpg-9.5 apg on mediocre shooting.......

If Chris friggin' Duhon put up the stats he did in the 1st half than Sessions will flourish if he lands in that system.

barring an additional signing? one of the oddest and riskiest 3rd rounders in history.

no one is seriously drafting him in the 3rd round.

3rd round may be a bit high, but 15 pts 9 assists seems more than possible if he lands with the Knicks. Who knows maybe hell even begin to knock down some treys in the run and gun offense, doubtfut yet possible. The dude will be a stud on the Knicks, Ill target him in every draft.

target him yes, but target him with a 3rd or even a 4th round pick just seems crazy.

I wouldn't take him before the 5th round.. but wouldn't let him slip past me there either.

Early 5th round seems appropriate to me. After Paul, Nash, Deron, Kidd, Devin, Calderon, Parker, Rose the pg position is a sort of a beauty in the eye of the beholder experiment. In New york, he is in that next pool of pgs with andre miller, felton, conley, westbrook, tj ford. I tell you what, in a knick uniform, he would be at the very top of that secondary list of players on my draft sheets.

Sorry there bud...but I do not think T. Parker and Rose are better fantasy PGs than Session when given same playing time. As a matter of fact, Session put up better numbers than both of those cats. He's better in assists, steals and rebounding than those two. Also, I think we're all sleeping on Conley. I would take him before I even touch Rose or Parker based on his performance from late last season. My draft board for top ten PGs will be as follows: Paul, Wade, Devin, Deron, Billups, Nash, Calderon, Kidd, Mo Williams, Conley, etc. PGs who don't steal the ball or shoot threes can go jump off a ledge as far as I'm concerned.

Over Rose??? Really?? I honestly think Rose is going to go through with what happened to Durant last year so I'm targetting Rose in almost all my drafts...

Early-mid 5th seems like a reasonable spot to take Sessions IF he lands in NY... I'd like to get Sessions but I just don't think I'll be able to land him surrounding the hype he's created for himself, especially if he lands in NY...

Cant agree more. Rose will get his steals up this year and will shot the ball a bit better from three. He could easily up scoring to 20-22 ppg and dish out 7+ dimes, with solid fg%. I am going to take my chances with Rose over Sessions this year based on that upside

Conley really? good lord are you putting too much stock into late march games?

Found on the rotoworld page:

According to David Aldridge, the Knicks have abandoned their pursuit of Bucks restricted free agent guard Ramon Sessions.
Aldridge says the Knicks don't want to tie up too much cap room for the big summer of 2010. The Clippers now appear to be the front-runners for Sessions, with the Thunder also expressing mild but not serious interest. Sessions would really cloud the backcourt in L.A. with Baron Davis and Sebastian Telfair already there.


So, let me get this straight. The Clips will spend money though they already have a talented and highly paid starting PG, a back-up PG, and a budding star at the 2 (Eric Gordon). The Knicks however, won't spend something close to the MLE for a guy that would be starting. At the point. On a team fast paced team that especially needs one to run the show.

I get the 2010 free agent thing, but come on. The Knicks can't scape up 5 for a starter at a key position, but the Clips can for a backup?? wtf?

Remember the Knicks currently have Duhon, who did a pretty good job running the point for the Knicks last year.

Pretty good doesn't equal a solid PG you can be reliant on... I owned him in one league and he didn't really deliver after the 2nd half of the season... He pretty much died after the AS break...

Seems apparent to me that they are going to be targeting a big name PG in 2010 and they would like Sessions to be a backup but are not willing to pay him the MLE to start just for 2009, which makes sense.

But as knicks fan I would love to see Sessions come here. =(

What pg's could they possibly be targeting? Can paul opt out next summer?

Sessions to me wouldn't be a lock to a stud. He would have the chance, but heck shown even last year Sessions can disappear at any moment.

Is he the Bobby Simmons in this market? Or is he the Carlos Boozer?

If the Knicks give him a serious offer which Milwaukee can't match, he could become a much more elite version of Andre Miller (less boards, more dimes)...

Sessions per-36 2008-09, PACE-adjusted to Knicks:

16.9 pts
4.7 reb
7.8 ast
1.5 stl
0.1 blk
2.6 to
0.1 3pm
45% FG @ 13 FGA
79% FT @ 6 FTA

I'm not sure how likely 36mpg would be though. It's not like signing a guy to the MLE, which is all the Knicks can offer, is this mega-huge mandate to play a guy. I mean, I'd play him 36, but I could easily see Duhon getting 15-20 mpg a night, and there's also Nate Robinson and even Larry Hughes.

Hughes is the starting sg afaik

Yeah, but I think in order for Sessions to hit 36 mpg he would have to play some SG as well.

he did play some SG in Bucktown.
alongside Luke.

This all looks good except for the assists. If he starts for the Knicks I expect 11 assists a game. This guy is an elite assist guy for the elite assist coach. Look for several 20 assist games throughout the year as well. And also look for him to threaten Skiles all time record for one game.

If Nash couldn't get past 22 in one of the best offenses in modern history I do not see Sessions doing it.

didn't he have like 23 last season?

I think he had something like 24 the season before last. I meant if Nash can't get close to 30, I don't see Sessions doing it.


I'm pretty sure that game was more about Sessions teammates hitting deep jumpers as opposed to him giving others easy baskets. I am trying to find a video but I remember watching the highlights and it was Charlie V and Redd hitting 20+ foot jumpers.

I swear I said something very similar to this at the start of last year.
and people called me crazy.

Skiles' record is 30 just to clarify...

Are Lee & Jordan Hill any good with the pick & roll?? It's the only way Sessions can get his assists to jump up to 11 dimes per game...

Lee is great at it. Jordan Hill...your guess is as good as mine..

Yes, but that was because Redd got hurt and there was no one else to play SG except Charlie Bell. The Knicks have Hughes and Nate and, while I hate Larry Hughes, that combo is still miles better than Bell.




The record is doable, that just depends on shooters getting hot for 1 game.

11 assists is league-leader territory, though. Chris Paul averages 11 assists, and he needs 39 mpg to get those. I'm a Sessions supporter, but he's not better than Chris Paul, not even close. Further, Sessions isn't going to be playing 39 mpg unless someone gets hurt. While he's better than Duhon, he's not so much better as to warrant a 39/9 split in minutes. Something along the lines of a 33/15 split - similar to Nash/Dragic or Rondo/House - is probably Sessions' best case scenario.

Also, don't overestimate the Knicks' pace. They averaged 4 FGA/game more than Milwaukee last year, that's it.

I think Sessions has a great chance to break Skiles' 30 assist record, in the Knicks system.
but yeah, it does depend on if his teammates are shooting well.

Sessions and Nash are the 2 leading candidates, in my opinion, to break 30 assists.
Chris Paul would be right under them.
The reason i put Sessions and Nash above CP3 is because Sessions and Nash are more of a pass-first type of player, while CP3 still has that scoring mentality. But again, i wouldn't be surprised if CP3 actually breaks 30 as well.

The Knick's are not lacking players that can shoot. The list of players that can get hot and hit the three in multiples include:

Duhon
Chandler (had games where he hit 4+ 3's last season)
Nate
Harrington
Gallinari

The only thing that would concern me with Sessions would be minutes as he'd be sharing the point with Duhon and Nate.

See career three point percentages. Seems middle of the road and mediocre to me..

Duhon-36%
Chandler-32%
Nate-35%
Gallinari-44%
Harrington-36.

HERE COMES THE ROOOSTERRR lolol... I can't imagine they don't have plans for Toney Douglas after moving up to take him either.

I like Toney Douglas a great deal. I watched him play a lot this past year. I think he's got a great game to translate to the NBA even if as as combo guard.

Woo, Gallinari is at 44%!! Now, if only we can actually see a REAL game from him without him getting injured...

Beware of players with bad backs. See TMAC and Larry Johnson

I never said they shoot a super high %. I simply said they chuck a lot of threes and tend to hit them in bunches which will equate to assists for Sessions should he be a Knick.

This past season Nate hit 125 treys, Chandler hit 103 treys, Harrington hit 171 treys, Duhon hit 127, etc. I think you see my point. I expect Gallinari to hit over 100 treys this coming season if he is actually healthy and playing substantial minutes.

Ya they average the most in the NBA actually... i think it was around 30-34 attempts a game.

is ramon sessions going??? Heard recently there was talk of the LAClippers...as a backup PG... That would suck and be a waste of good fantasy talent

KNICKSSSSS CMONNNNNNNNNN.... he wants more money than they are willing to give but hopefully he caves soon and takes the deal

yeah, it would suck for his fantasy value if he goes to the Clippers instead of the Knicks.

But, in terms of reality, I am actually impressed with the Clippers' attempts to lock this kid in for their future. Ramon Sessions is gonna be a stud PG. He's still young, and he could help turn the Clipper franchise around. He's a fantastic ball distributor who could keep players happy like Griffin, Kaman, Gordon, Thornton.
and honestly, I think Baron Davis is ready to call it quits. His body is breaking down, and he just doesn't want to play ball anymore. At this point of his career, he's just happy to be living in his hometown again, and working on his outside-projects, like movies and music, etc. Plus, i wouldn't be surprised if Baron decides to sit during the majority of this season again, whether the scapegoat reasoning be due to a nagging injury or a losing team record. Enter Ramon Sessions to fill in the rest of the way. Beautiful plan by Mike Dunleavy. Good luck, Clippers. I still got love for you, and I hope you snag him. For reality's sake.

This is the same Mike Dunleavy who gave Baron a contract for $65 million over five years just last summer, right? Was that all part of the plan?

Anyway, this wait for Sessions is just getting ridiculous. He should be getting interest from a lot more than just two teams right now. The guy is more than capable of being a starting PG in the NBA, and he's only 22. If the Knicks are going to flirt with him for a month and not offer him a contract, some other team should swoop in there and steal him with their midlevel extension.

Mike Dunleavy doesn't always make bad decisions. He has made some nice draft picks the past few years. Eric Gordon, Thornton, and thank god he didn't blow it with Blake Griffin.

I don't mind Dunleavy as a GM, he's much better than Baylor was.

Dunleavy the GM's problem is he needs to fire Dunleavy the coach. It's not that signing Baron was so awful, what was awful was signing Baron and then trying to make him walk it up the floor, and then calling plays that take 15 seconds to develop and are designed to do nothing but produce a wing iso - which you can get at any time without a play.