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tazdingo
Any projections on what the kid might create with a year under his belt and basically no competition for minutes?
Code of Hammurabi
10ppg-6rpg-1.7blocks-49%fgs-75%fts. My issue is that as long as Troy Murphy is in there inhaling rebounds his board numbers will be below average for a starting Center. His rebounding leaves a lot to be desired anyway.

QUOTE (tazdingo @ Jul 23 2009, 01:10 AM) *
Any projections on what the kid might create with a year under his belt and basically no competition for minutes?
tazdingo
Well to be fair, I think last year was a fluke year for Murphy... I don't expect him to be healthy again like how he was last year but I would be pleasantly surprised if he can maintain his 2nd round value... What round do you think Hibbert should/would go? I honestly think he'll be a surprise next year...
Code of Hammurabi
I dont think last year was a fluke year by Murphy at all. In previous seasons playing time was more of a concern than injuries. He's played 75 games the last 2 years. I think he's locked in for another big season. With that being said I just cant bring myself to draft him in the 2nd round. I would consider him in the 4th round......

Hibbert is a late round flier imo. 11th round or so..

QUOTE (tazdingo @ Jul 23 2009, 12:06 PM) *
Well to be fair, I think last year was a fluke year for Murphy... I don't expect him to be healthy again like how he was last year but I would be pleasantly surprised if he can maintain his 2nd round value... What round do you think Hibbert should/would go? I honestly think he'll be a surprise next year...
markdash
QUOTE (Code of Hammurabi @ Jul 23 2009, 09:39 AM) *
I dont think last year was a fluke year by Murphy at all. In previous seasons playing time was more of a concern than injuries. He's played 75 games the last 2 years. I think he's locked in for another big season. With that being said I just cant bring myself to draft him in the 2nd round. I would consider him in the 4th round......

I smell an outlier. Murphy set career highs last year in TS% and Rebound %. I fully expect some normalization; of course, he would still be a valuable player if his peripherals fall into line.

15 points
10.5 rebounds
1.7 threes
46% FG
80% FT
0.8 stl
0.5 blk
Denbo32
Murphy was always a rebounding machine, that shot the 3 ball, he just happened to go from 1 3 pointer a game to 2.2.

12/10 with 1 3 pointer is what I used to expect from Murphy, now that 3 ball moved up without hurting his FG%.

Murphy might not be worth a 2nd round pick, but he is very solid.
nickalero99
If Hibbert plays 30 minutes a game I could see some nice things from him. Maybe 11-7-1.5 blocks. I think he was a steal for the Pacers where they got him last year. Definitely a nice value as a second center.
krazydragonboi
how bout the line he put up today? 8 blocks? very nice
Code of Hammurabi
Sounds about right. Two things he has working against him, a) Murphy inhales every board and he isnt a good rebounder and cool.gif He's pretty foul prone. If he can address point b I think he can totally hit the numbers you mentioned.

QUOTE (nickalero99 @ Jul 25 2009, 03:32 AM) *
If Hibbert plays 30 minutes a game I could see some nice things from him. Maybe 11-7-1.5 blocks. I think he was a steal for the Pacers where they got him last year. Definitely a nice value as a second center.
MoskauWayne
anybody know if Hibbert is gonna start and average 30 minutes for Pacers? i dont see anyone else starting other than Jeff Foster.

nomidi
Word is he is starting, but I'm more worried about him staying out of foul trouble from game-to-game. If you saw any of him in the preseason he can definitely be a force in PTS/REBS/BLKS given enough minutes.

I'm targeting him as back-up C and if he can nail down 32-35 minutes consistently per night he should average somewhere between 10-12ppg/8-10rpg/1.5-2bpg.
bballshinobi
Hibbert will put up numbers as long as he can stay out of foul trouble. I am actually pretty certain that Pacers would love to leave him on the court as long as possible, but he's just still fouling too much. I am looking at his preseason game logs and he has 4~5 fouls almost every game, I am just not sure he can stay out of foul trouble long enough to get 30~32 minutes.

As far as potential goes though I love Hibbert and would love to see him blossom so I can drop Samuel Dalembert.
fantasymecca
i'm a little curious what type of center can score 20 pts, get 4 blocks, but only get 3 rebounds. the coach must be hating his rebound #s right now and hibbert didn't even play against dwight all that much tonight.
tazdingo
QUOTE (fantasymecca @ Oct 22 2009, 12:51 PM) *
i'm a little curious what type of center can score 20 pts, get 4 blocks, but only get 3 rebounds. the coach must be hating his rebound #s right now and hibbert didn't even play against dwight all that much tonight.


Yea tonight was a weird line for him... I'm gonna say that Murphy wanted to scare all the Hibbert owners out there by just vacuuming in 12 boards...
bballshinobi
Or maybe Hibbert was too busy blocking shots lol
Warno
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Oct 22 2009, 01:03 AM) *
Yea tonight was a weird line for him... I'm gonna say that Murphy wanted to scare all the Hibbert owners out there by just vacuuming in 12 boards...


15 boards. wink.gif

QUOTE (fantasymecca @ Oct 22 2009, 12:51 AM) *
i'm a little curious what type of center can score 20 pts, get 4 blocks, but only get 3 rebounds. the coach must be hating his rebound #s right now and hibbert didn't even play against dwight all that much tonight.


Seriously, coach can't be happy about getting out-rebounded 56 - 38.
MoskauWayne
preseason minutes dont mean squat that a player will get regular season minutes! but it does help you evaluate what kind of stats a player will accumulate if he does get minutes...

If Hibbert's stats continue to be 5 blocks, 5 fouls and 4 to 5 rebounds...then i would surmise that Hibbert is a "young, undisciplined, raw, try to block everything, try to steal everything" type of player. looks like he will be very active without giving any regard to fouling out. This type of player is exactly what I need. A player who specializes in Blocks. Everything else is just gravy. I hope he gets his 30 minutes. 2 to 3 blocks a game will be easy! Hibbert is the equivalent of "Ronny Turiaf that gets 30 minutes"
Dr. Evazan
After watching several preseason games I think he'll end the year at:

12-8-2

and not much else...which is ok with me. I know he'll post some eye opening lines here and there but I suspect that for every 20-12-5 game he'll string together a few 8-5-1 lines due to foul trouble and inexperience. I think he's being slightly overhyped right now but I still like him and drafted in round 10 of a 14 team league a few weeks ago (he'd probably go a round or 2 earlier now).
Code of Hammurabi
I dont think he can average 8 rpg. I would say 11-7-1.5 blocks. Hopefully the fg% is legit

QUOTE (Dr. Evazan @ Oct 22 2009, 02:51 AM) *
After watching several preseason games I think he'll end the year at:

12-8-2

and not much else...which is ok with me. I know he'll post some eye opening lines here and there but I suspect that for every 20-12-5 game he'll string together a few 8-5-1 lines due to foul trouble and inexperience. I think he's being slightly overhyped right now but I still like him and drafted in round 10 of a 14 team league a few weeks ago (he'd probably go a round or 2 earlier now).
MoskauWayne
QUOTE (Dr. Evazan @ Oct 21 2009, 11:51 PM) *
After watching several preseason games I think he'll end the year at:

12-8-2

and not much else...which is ok with me. I know he'll post some eye opening lines here and there but I suspect that for every 20-12-5 game he'll string together a few 8-5-1 lines due to foul trouble and inexperience. I think he's being slightly overhyped right now but I still like him and drafted in round 10 of a 14 team league a few weeks ago (he'd probably go a round or 2 earlier now).


You're projecting 12 - 8 - 2 from Hibbert and considering that overhyped? You do realize that consistent blocks are a very hard commodity to accumulate. I think that's an adequate performance for a 10th round draft pick. Even more so if picked up for free....
nomidi
Blocks are amazingly scarce this season. Even the elite C options aren't locks to put up 2BPG for the entire season. With guys like Yao Ming, Marcus Camby, Josh Smith, and Tim Duncan no longer options for +2BPG you have guys like Gasol, Amare, Bosh, and Jefferson that are probably going to end up with 1.5-2BPG.

Getting a C-option late that can give you those numbers is pretty much money in the bank.
Jsmoov's Block Party
I agree, and I'm happy that I got both Oden and Hibbert in the waning rounds as they're almost a certain source of big blocks night in and night out.

I'm completely overkilling it in blocks this year with Smith, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, A-Randolph, Oden and Hibbert... a true Block Party indeed. Don't know what it is... just like points, I hate losing in blocks; but somehow I don't think I'll have that problem this year.
BadaBing
Hibbert proved a lot to me this season including his ability to score and block shots... but also his ability to hack away. I am really hoping he can carve himself about 31 mpg. If he can do that, then I think 12-13ppg, 6-7rpg, 2-3bpg should be doable. I agree that he's going to have those Marcus Camby types of lines where he goes for 20-13-5, but like the poster above stated, be prepared for the 6-4-1 games as well. Just stay out of foul trouble and get minutes and become a defensive force.
jsp2014
QUOTE (Jsmoov's Block Party @ Oct 23 2009, 01:36 AM) *
I agree, and I'm happy that I got both Oden and Hibbert in the waning rounds as they're almost a certain source of big blocks night in and night out.

I'm completely overkilling it in blocks this year with Smith, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, A-Randolph, Oden and Hibbert... a true Block Party indeed. Don't know what it is... just like points, I hate losing in blocks; but somehow I don't think I'll have that problem this year.



people are always willing to trade for blocks too, in my experience. this is especially true in deeper leagues. with all those blocks you hoarded, the competition is going to be that much weaker and want them that much more.
BadaBing
Excellent 1st quarter as a starter. 2 for 2 with 7 boards and 2 assists. Better yet, NO FOULS!
tazdingo
What a lame way to finish the game... Only made 1-4 attempts and 2 boards after the first quarter...
Kobe_No_Means_No
I think Rotoworld is embarrassed... updated all the Pacers players except him, lol...
AirForceOne
Al Horford owned him tonight. dry.gif
Not much else to say!
MoskauWayne
QUOTE (AirForceOne @ Oct 28 2009, 07:37 PM) *
Al Horford owned him tonight. dry.gif
Not much else to say!


so what if Al Horford owned him tonight? has nothing to do with fantasy basketball! Hibbert is a 12th round type player that will get 30 minutes a game and get you 10/7/2. Ill take it!
Thats Ridiculous
6 pts, 9 rebs, 1 blk.

not bad.
tazdingo
I was hoping for 10-10 with 2 blocks at the rate he was going in the first quarter... Maybe Horford has improved his game already...
AirForceOne
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Oct 29 2009, 02:39 AM) *
6 pts, 9 rebs, 1 blk.

not bad.


Could've been worse, but don't tell me you didn't have higher expectations after that preseason.
I know I didn't expect him to get flat out dominated by Al Horford!
BadaBing
QUOTE (AirForceOne @ Oct 29 2009, 07:49 AM) *
Could've been worse, but don't tell me you didn't have higher expectations after that preseason.
I know I didn't expect him to get flat out dominated by Al Horford!



Yeah doesn't much matter though. As long as Hibbert can improve as the season goes and stay out of foul trouble, I'll be very happy with that type of production if he can progress to a 12-8-2 type of guy. He;s still maturing. Long ways to go with him, but the framework is there to be very good.
wideopen21
In the preseason the concern was his lack of rebounds, but he manages to get 9 in just 25 minutes. Yeah he had a bad game scoring, but he was still 3 for 6 from the field and had a block. He is a young big man and will only get better as the season progresses.
Thats Ridiculous
8 pts, 6 rebs, 2 blks.

that's close to a double double.

but then again, Jermaine Oneal dropped 22 pts and 10 rebs on him.


BadaBing
Huge game last night from Roy. 14-12-4 with an assist and a steal! Plus he stayed out of foul trouble and played 34 minutes. I am sure he found that to be a lot more fun than playing 18 minutes because of foul trouble. Now keep it up!
paqman78
Pity Murphy isn't going to miss extended time with his back injury. (Sorry if that sounds insensitive). wink.gif
tazdingo
QUOTE (paqman78 @ Nov 4 2009, 10:41 PM) *
Pity Murphy isn't going to miss extended time with his back injury. (Sorry if that sounds insensitive). wink.gif


Yea, Murphy's absence helped a good lot I think... Hopefully he can keep this up... They're going up against the Knicks...
paqman78
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Nov 4 2009, 03:04 PM) *
Yea, Murphy's absence helped a good lot I think... Hopefully he can keep this up... They're going up against the Knicks...


Might be bad news for Hibbert if Knicks play small ball...and I think they will. Teams often match the Knicks by going small too, which could mean Murphy switching to C and Granger to PF.
Warno
QUOTE (paqman78 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:09 AM) *
Might be bad news for Hibbert if Knicks play small ball...and I think they will. Teams often match the Knicks by going small too, which could mean Murphy switching to C and Granger to PF.


My league has daily changes with a 40 game limit (weekly). I was really debating playing Hibbert tonight but I think he fouls out pretty quickly tonight.
markdash
Yeah oddly enough I think you bench Hibbert for the Knicks tonight. They don't start a "true" center and the pace dictates that a slow, plodding C really isn't needed.
Warno
QUOTE (markdash @ Nov 4 2009, 02:13 PM) *
Yeah oddly enough I think you bench Hibbert for the Knicks tonight. They don't start a "true" center and the pace dictates that a slow, plodding C really isn't needed.


Yeah I chose to bench him in favour of Hawes tonight. I need blocks but I can see David Lee taking it right at Hibbert tonight, sending him to the bench 2 minutes into the first.
bloopy
i really have no choice, so i'm starting hibbert tonight against the knicks.

i can see him having a problem with foul trouble tonight. though i looked at the past few knicks boxscores, and it's quite a tossup - dalembert/chandler were unsuccessful against the knicks and fouled out but okafor/joneal put up decent numbers.
Thats Ridiculous
prepare to meet your doom.
Tyler Hansbrough is coming soon. like this Friday.
fitz22415
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Nov 4 2009, 04:10 PM) *
prepare to meet your doom.
Tyler Hansbrough is coming soon. like this Friday.


where's he coming? to the bench?
NUPE_1911
QUOTE (fitz22415 @ Nov 4 2009, 03:12 PM) *
where's he coming? to the bench?
laugh.gif
markdash
QUOTE (fitz22415 @ Nov 4 2009, 12:12 PM) *
where's he coming? to the bench?


To find that girl's lost dog
Thats Ridiculous
lol!

well it's not like Roy Hibbert has solidified a damn thing.
wideopen21
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Nov 4 2009, 04:27 PM) *
lol!

well it's not like Roy Hibbert has solidified a damn thing.


he's solidified the fact that he isn't tyler hansborough. That should be enough for now.
BadaBing
QUOTE (Thats Ridiculous @ Nov 4 2009, 02:27 PM) *
lol!

well it's not like Roy Hibbert has solidified a damn thing.



Oh come on, he's solidified the starting C position. Tyler won't be taking his minutes at C.
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