With Andre gone, he becomes the full time PG. What type of #'s should we expect?

I have always liked his talent. I will say 14pts 5 assts 4 rebs 1 stl

Sure, but I don't think he'll stick as the starter. Jrue Holiday might assume that role sooner than expected.

The fg% is going to be the killer. Could be 42% or even lower... I agree with the rest of the stats...

18ppg 4 apg 4 rpg 1 3-pter/g 1 spg

Yea I wasn't impressed with Lou Will when he had the team for a while... He really doesn't have a lot going for him... I don't even expect Brooks-esque numbers from the guy... I'd take a chance on Holiday somewhere around December-January if the Lou Will experiment falters...

I'm going to revive this thread. Seems like not too many folks are talking about this guy when they really should. Yahoo pre-ranked at 131, he's a huge sleeper on my list.

I agree. Which is why I took Lou in Round 8. Undisputed starting PGs are scarce after that round. He can easily do 16pt 4.8asst with 1 3pm and 1.5 stls.

I hold him in higher regard than a number of late round PGs, including Stuckey, Felton, and Conley. Also, all of these are higher than Brooks.

8th round? Ouch. I got Lou in the 12th in my 12 teamer, definitely a reach in the 8th.

okay everyone who doesn't like Lou can watch how sick he plays this year... I had andre miller last season and what i noticed was lou always played when andre was still in which means lou was playing SG not PG... now that he has the team in his hands at PG he will take better shots which will make his FG% go up.... He will be running the breaks which will makes his assists go up, and his minutes should go up by 10 min a game which will make everything go up.... I got him in the 13th round and a player like this will help you win your league because you can get sick numbers out of him early in the season and then sell high on him with a trade and get a lower rounded draft selection

meh, i took him around 110th in a 15-teamer where i wanted to take a shot on a PG. not loving it, but i agree with placing him ahead of Conley, Felton, Stuckey, Brooks, especially if you can afford the terrible FG% and TOs. he's got a chance to be a force in steals which is usually a tightly contested category.

Obviously you didn't understand my post. I like the kid, I drafted him, in the 12th round. Drafting him in the 8th round, nearly 50 players before I did, wasn't smart. That is all.

Not hearing much about Jrue Holiday at this point. I agree, Williams is good value this season.

TJ Ford, Raymond Felton, Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon, Jason Terry all should be available in the 8th, and should out perform. Even Tyreke Evans in the 11th should out perform Lou Williams.

I'd probably take Lou over Felton, Robinson, Duhon (all in a time share) and possibly TJ Ford. I'd definitely take him before Evans.

HE is the reason why the 76er's let miller go.

I think he is going to give us Mini AI numbers when AI was in his prime.

Remember I said "mini" AI numbers.

I could see 43% 15 pts 5 assist 2 reb 1.7 threes 1.2 stls 2.4 TO

I'll take that all day from a 11th rnd pick

Robinson/Duhon time share but they still get plenty of minutes. Dantoni runs a very short rotation. Who is TJ Ford time sharing with? Felton only one that I can see in a time share, but its also his contract year so I would expect him to play well. While Lou has some great potential, I don't see him putting up top 85 numbers this year.

With the way the sixers like to run I can see him getting 16ppg. The fg% is a definite issue, but if he had a better fg% he'd probably score 19ppg, which would mean he was a healthy Devan Harris, which would mean he'd be going in the second or third round.

I'd call that some very nice value.

meh im pretty sure they let andre go cause they didn't want to resign him for the $$... williams never really impressed me that much

You play with noobs. In a quality league, he should be gone by round 9. I took him with pick #93 in a 12 teamer. He is an undisputed starting PG, with projections that make him well worth an 8th round pick. Remember, with a lot of guys, we are projecting based on what we hope will happen. When you have a guy who has already produced in 23 min/game, who has never started, then gets 10 added minutes of playing time (because the stater he was pushing for minutes got traded away), you are taking less risk with your projection. You get to project based on math, rather than hope.

As if that hard data was not enough, there's also upside past just the numeric projection. Eddie Jordan is installing an "up-tempo, fast-break, Princeton offense" this season. He last did that in Washington, and the PG running that show was a healthy Gilbert Arenas.

I could be wrong, but I at least have an argument based in the numbers, solid facts, and presumptions based on historic events. Rather than pure speculation.

how many minutes can we project for him? he's averaged about 23.5 mins the last 2 years. if he can get 50% more mins this year (~35 mpg) and stays the same elsewhere, we're looking at:

18 pts, 3.1 reb, 4.7 ast, 1.1 3pm, 1.6 stl, .3 blk, 2.6 TO. 41.4% shooting on 15 attempts, and 78.6% FT on 6.3 attempts. my biggest fear is that the FG% will stay around or even below 40% and the TOs will balloon. with incremental improvements, we could be looking at a very nice PG option.

i like the poor man's Devin Harris comparison. i haven't seen enough of Lou to say it works in real life, but the stat line is very similar, especially if he can improve on the FT% and make all those attempts a real asset.

Way to insult my league-mates. All that, or maybe you reached for a player who you have a crush on. The kid is a chucker, and the only reason I did draft him is because he is an unchallenged PG. Don't get all pissy with me because you could have waited at least 2 more rounds.

I drafted Wilson Chandler in the 8th, you got Louis Williams.

I got him in the 14th round and gonna ride him all the way to the bank.... go LOUUUUUUUU

I actually haven't seen Lou go before the 10th in any draft I've done afaik... don't personally attack people it's childish.

Middle 9th or 10 round seems about right for Lou. He can of course outproduce his ADP.

i will go on record stating he will be drafted in the seventh round of next years draft... like i stated before, let him produce and then sell him on a high note... buy low sell high

I agree, I thought Hornrimmed's comment was a little out of line, but that said, I'd take Williams over Chandler in a heartbeat.

I'd take Chandler over Williams in a heartbeat.

what.

Yeah, I would agree, Williams has been kind of a letdown the last couple years when they were supposed to be "breakout" seasons... I see him as a shoot-first PG who doesn't handle the ball most of the time. He'll also slay you with his FG%. I would prefer Wilson Chandler any day of the week.

Sorry, my aim was not to offend. I do prefer projections based on numeric extrapolation, and changes in circumstances, over ADP. Sure, Lou is not being drafted everywhere in the 90s. But I think he's a value there. But since we're all speculating, I have no legit basis for insults. The "noobs" line was unnecessary and provocative. Withdrawn.

[Sorry again, as I meant to quote MrBtotheG]

i thought the noobs comment was pretty funny

Sometimes its good to draft based on potential and minutes, but it doesn't always make a player a stud. Sometimes players just get more TO with more playing time because they get tired towards late game and make silly mistakes. Lou is going to be good this year, no doubt. But 7th is a REACH. I mean if you draft Lou Williams at 7th, then you probably drafted Anthony Randolph at 5th? Stephan Curry at 4th? And Tyreke Evans at 3rd? SO then we probably know you must have taken Blake Griffin as your 1st pick. You got all the potential studs in the world, but too bad we are playing fantasy this year. LoL.

I got him at 110 and I admit, he went after Chandler, Felton even Chalmers, but I never considered any of those guys.

That is why I think he's going to be great value. Williams at 110 or Chandler at 84? That's a no brainer if you ask me.

Felton went in the 70's but it was a serious man crush homer pick. Even the guy who took him would admit that.

Williams practically produced 110 numbers last season backing up Andre Miller. Seems like a pretty safe bet.

Um..#183 Yahoo end of season ranking. I'd take Chandler over Williams at 7-8th over Williams. I'd take TJ Felton Barbosa Terry Nate Duhon. I'd take a lot of people over Williams. But at 10th or later Williams is a good pick.

Well I got Chandler at #93 (great value) and Williams at #141 (amazing value).

I obviously like Chandler more this year, that NY system is just perfect for padding the stat sheet. I've read numerous articles, even on Rotoworld, comparing Chandler to Jeff Green at half the cost.

doing good today against the knicks

Who doesn't?

Is it too early to gloat? Probably;-)

Lou is sell high now.

He is a bad FGer and for a Guard very weak Shooter from the FT-Line. And not a natural PG.

He can score, but not more than 4 APG.

In a league with experienced players, there is no way you can sell high after three games. Best bet is to hold onto him for a week or two more, when his value is well-established, and then try to make a move if you think he wont keep it up.

No way. I am sure the articles exist but Chandler's offensive game is not even remotely on par with Green's.

RESPECT commanded by Lou Williams for 2 years straight while on the bench for the 76ers, and now RESPECT is given to Lou Williams who is tearing up the NBA as a starter. We need to show more love for this guy. Look at his A/T ratio. Look at the steals. Look at the shooting %'s. Loving the rebounds, and the decent amount of assists for a point guard. Dude is straight up ballin! Props to anyone who drafted him late, knowing he would produce when given the minutes .

Is this guy going to be like Monta's career year?

100% agree. I had Iguodala during 06/07 and 07/08. I HATED how he had to play with Andre Miller. Everytime I saw Lou Williams play, I would hope that somehow, someway he would take Andre Miller's job. I always thought Lou was a better fit than Miller. Naturally, once I found out Miller was out of Philly, I immediately had Lou on my "must draft list." I am certainly glad I drafted Sweet Lou.

Lou is good, but haven't good % in his Career. He can score, but isn't a great FT-shooter or FG %er.

And of course, the most PG had a big game against him. Andre Miller was much better against the another PG.

Lou can score, but isn't great with his average the most nights and can't dishes more than 4 assists.

Still too early to gloat?

May I just say that I love this thread. And within this thread, I love the list of giants who will outperform Sweet Lou. To refresh our minds, that list was: TJ Ford, Raymond Felton, Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon, Jason Terry, and Tyreke Evans.

0/6 so far.

after 6 games... i own Lou but i'm not patting myself on the back. he'll fall back to earth.

Totally agree. Perfect time to sell high. Then again in about 2 weeks it will probably be the perfect time to buy low when he comes back to earth. That said, I like him alot this season. But I like him even more if they rid themselves of Brand and Dalembert. Release Marreese

uh... No.

There will come a point when it will be neither time to buy low nor sell high, but just to believe.