MJALYSSA
Aug 7 2009, 10:28 PM
With the addition of Rasheed and it looks like everybody is coming back healthy. What do you think of his stats for next year, I can see an increase in assists. Does he deserve a 3rd rd pick in H2H standard cats 12 team league?
krazydragonboi
Aug 8 2009, 08:30 PM
QUOTE (MJALYSSA @ Aug 7 2009, 08:28 PM)

With the addition of Rasheed and it looks like everybody is coming back healthy. What do you think of his stats for next year, I can see an increase in assists. Does he deserve a 3rd rd pick in H2H standard cats 12 team league?
I think a lot of people will be gunning for him 3rd round. But i honestly think he should be sought after in late 4th. His FT% takes him down as a good 3rd round pick. Big hands, crappy shooter.
CrypTviLL
Aug 8 2009, 10:57 PM
I also would like to know more about this guys outlook for this year. I honestly dont know much about him since i fell off mid last year, so he has bad FT% and going in the third round, he wont be on my team.
Thats Ridiculous
Aug 8 2009, 11:00 PM
but Rondo doesn't take many FT Attempts to make a difference.
he gets to the line 3.4 times, and makes 2.2 of them. it's 64%.
rico381
Aug 9 2009, 02:49 AM
His FT% won't kill you because of low volume, but it will hurt, and keep in mind that at PG, he's taking up a position that's supposed to help your team in that category. It would be one thing if a C shot that way, because so many of them do, and you can balance it out with almost any guard. But with Rondo killing your FT% from the PG slot, it means you need to compensate with a big man who shoots well, and there just aren't too many of those guys out there. As a PG who doesn't shoot threes, it's nearly impossible for him to warrant an early pick, especially with ugly numbers in several other cats (FT%, TO, PTS, and 3PM just seems like too many weaknesses to me). Those problems apply more to roto than H2H, where you can punt cats, but unless you're making a conscious effort to drop FT% and TOs and focus on other cats (the team that drafts Dwight Howard first round), I can't recommend him until the fifth round or so.
tazdingo
Aug 9 2009, 03:13 AM
Fourth round seems fine for him IMO since he's still a triple double threat and has a good chance at leading the league in steals... Third is a bit too early I think while 5th would be a bargain...
rico381
Aug 9 2009, 04:12 AM
QUOTE (tazdingo @ Aug 9 2009, 01:13 AM)

has a good chance at leading the league in steals...
Chris Paul says differently.
Denbo32
Aug 9 2009, 08:56 AM
4th is a good place for him. I personally wouldn't draft him there. His 64% even on 3.4 attempts hurts ft% quite a bit. His steals and assist values are huge. And even his rebounds for a PG, but the lack of 3's just bothers me.
tazdingo
Aug 9 2009, 09:43 AM
QUOTE (rico381 @ Aug 9 2009, 05:12 PM)

Chris Paul says differently.
I don't doubt Paul's skills... He'll probably lead the league in steals next year... But I'm just saying that I think Rondo has the capability to lead the league in steals...
ciderjack6
Aug 9 2009, 09:52 AM
He only played 33 minutes a game last year, 17th among point guards in minutes per game. You'd think his minutes would increase this year.
Jack Straw
Oct 5 2009, 02:06 PM
where do you think he falls among PG in a league that does not use any %, TO or 3's? P,A,R,B,S only. if he is elite in assists and steals plus a good rebounder anyone think he is top 5 PG in this format?
Code of Hammurabi
Oct 5 2009, 02:17 PM
Should would be nice if he could get to 75%
QUOTE (rico381 @ Aug 9 2009, 03:49 AM)

His FT% won't kill you because of low volume, but it will hurt, and keep in mind that at PG, he's taking up a position that's supposed to help your team in that category. It would be one thing if a C shot that way, because so many of them do, and you can balance it out with almost any guard. But with Rondo killing your FT% from the PG slot, it means you need to compensate with a big man who shoots well, and there just aren't too many of those guys out there. As a PG who doesn't shoot threes, it's nearly impossible for him to warrant an early pick, especially with ugly numbers in several other cats (FT%, TO, PTS, and 3PM just seems like too many weaknesses to me). Those problems apply more to roto than H2H, where you can punt cats, but unless you're making a conscious effort to drop FT% and TOs and focus on other cats (the team that drafts Dwight Howard first round), I can't recommend him until the fifth round or so.
markdash
Oct 5 2009, 09:26 PM
QUOTE (Jack Straw @ Oct 5 2009, 12:06 PM)

where do you think he falls among PG in a league that does not use any %, TO or 3's? P,A,R,B,S only. if he is elite in assists and steals plus a good rebounder anyone think he is top 5 PG in this format?
I play in such a league, and Rondo was GOLD last year. He was the 4th overall PG (if you count Wade as a PG) and 15th overall!
asmallchild
Oct 6 2009, 06:00 AM
QUOTE (MJALYSSA @ Aug 7 2009, 11:28 PM)

With the addition of Rasheed and it looks like everybody is coming back healthy. What do you think of his stats for next year, I can see an increase in assists. Does he deserve a 3rd rd pick in H2H standard cats 12 team league?
Wow, 3rd round??
I usually play with a couple of guys from Boston and I'm sure someone will jump the gun early.
On the other hand, I've seen Rondo go in the EIGHTH round this year! If asked to defend his drop, I guess I could.
12ppg, no 3s, 5.5rpg, 8.3apg, 1.7spg, no blks, 50%FG, 63%FT, 2.5TO would mean above average production in terms of assists, steals, and FG% (at least for a PG) and near below average production in the rest.
You could make the argument these #s don't represent a significant increase from last year's #s and that he took his game to a new level in the playoffs (especially in the Chicago series)
But I'm not so sure we're going to see sustained growth with KG coming back healthy (supposedly) and Sheed looking to get some touches as well.
Jack Straw
Oct 6 2009, 07:33 AM
Markdash, I think so as well. When I run the stats through a custom valuator. he comes up 4th, behind paul(way behind), deron and wade. My problem is I am picking 15th out of 15. I am thinking about taking 2 PG, and I love rondo but most people would say 15th is too early. I don't beleive he will be there at 45, most likely he will go 25-35. So unsure what to do.
markdash
Oct 6 2009, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (Jack Straw @ Oct 6 2009, 05:33 AM)

Markdash, I think so as well. When I run the stats through a custom valuator. he comes up 4th, behind paul(way behind), deron and wade. My problem is I am picking 15th out of 15. I am thinking about taking 2 PG, and I love rondo but most people would say 15th is too early. I don't beleive he will be there at 45, most likely he will go 25-35. So unsure what to do.
What are your position settings? The usual 10 man rosters? This really impacts how you want to draft. In a league with so few categories, the real trick is getting PG contributions (AST) from non-PG spots, and getting big man contributions (BLK) from non-C positions.
Jack Straw
Oct 6 2009, 01:42 PM
No positional requirements. 10 active 2 reserves. I could have 10 PG or 10 centers. Daily transactions and games played max.
markdash
Oct 6 2009, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (Jack Straw @ Oct 6 2009, 11:42 AM)

No positional requirements. 10 active 2 reserves. I could have 10 PG or 10 centers. Daily transactions and games played max.
No positional requirements?!?! I have never heard of such a thing! That's crazy.
Ramifications: You could draft 10 centers and try to win reb/pts/blk, or draft 10 PGs and go for PTS/AST/STL. I wouldn't put anything myself, just try to get good all-around guys. In leagues like this, guys like Kevin Martin are nearly worthless, yet people will draft him on name value. As a result you will end up losing points a lot of the time, but dominate the other 4 categories.
Jack Straw
Oct 7 2009, 07:21 AM
this is also a roto league not head to head, tough to really punt one catagory and win in this 15-team league. But, you are right about kevin martin. Good scorers with good percentages and low TO mean nothing really. Where as guys like stephen jackson can be huge.
markdash
Oct 7 2009, 01:15 PM
QUOTE (Jack Straw @ Oct 7 2009, 05:21 AM)

this is also a roto league not head to head, tough to really punt one catagory and win in this 15-team league. But, you are right about kevin martin. Good scorers with good percentages and low TO mean nothing really. Where as guys like stephen jackson can be huge.
Yeah, that certainly changes things. You definitely want to take all scoring PGs and shot-blocking big men, I guess, with the occasional oddball mixed in there (Jackson, for example).
Dapro
Oct 23 2009, 11:35 PM
I got Rondo in round 4.
Jack Straw
Oct 26 2009, 07:54 AM
My no TO , no % league drafted this weekend. Rondo is ranked pretty high in this format. I was picking last at 15 and 16. I figured if I like rondo, i could take him a little early seeing I wasn't picking again for 30 picks. HE went number 8 overall. I was shocked I tell ya.
jsp2014
Oct 26 2009, 12:03 PM
people are all over Rondo this year. he went late 2nd in my 15 and 16 team competitive 9-cat leagues. the lack of 3pm, blk, high TOs and poor FT shooting will make it hard for him to be top 30 (was around 60th per game last year) but his skillset is extremely useful and his shortcoming are relatively easy to make up for later. i'm disappointed i got him on only 1 of 5 teams.
MoskauWayne
Oct 28 2009, 01:44 AM
Man, Rondo is gonna be a Top 30 fantasy player this year when all is said and done. He is probably gonna average near triple double stats...15/8/10 sounds reasonable. Other things to consider...
He chose to be an unrestricted free agent. It means he is pissed and feels disrespected by the Celtics. We all know that when an NBA player is in a contract year.....he usually performs his best (effort wise at least).
He is probably saying to himself, "Big Three My ASS! I am an All Star too!" Sounds like a 1st year all star in the making!
Yell_42
Oct 28 2009, 01:58 AM
QUOTE (MoskauWayne @ Oct 28 2009, 02:44 AM)

Man, Rondo is gonna be a Top 30 fantasy player this year when all is said and done. He is probably gonna average near triple double stats...15/8/10 sounds reasonable.
Not a chance.
Try around 13 ppg, 9apg, 6 rpg, 2 spg.
maybach
Oct 28 2009, 02:18 AM
Doc Rivers would deal Rondo before he let him score 15 in a game
teamshameless
Oct 28 2009, 02:44 AM
Yea, I don't think he'll quite get to 15 a game unless the Celts get injured, but I will say this. I got him about 20 picks after Jason Kidd and I play in a no TO's league, but at the end of the season, I'm going to be much happier with Rondo in the 4th than the owner of Kidd is going to be with Kidd in the second.
os_gamejunkie
Oct 28 2009, 04:30 AM
My league is H2H w/ no TOs, and I have Rondo, Kidd and LeBron. Looking forward to a lot of triple-doubles this season.
Anyone think he'll be a Knick next season?
chefboyarg
Oct 28 2009, 07:01 PM
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Oct 28 2009, 12:58 AM)

Not a chance.
Try around 13 ppg, 9apg, 6 rpg, 2 spg.
i agree with that.. maybe closer to 8apg though
barack oballa
Nov 3 2009, 08:04 AM
Yell_42
Nov 3 2009, 08:10 AM
He is averaging 6 ppg. I dont care how many assists you get, 6 ppg is pathetic.
Denbo32
Nov 3 2009, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Nov 3 2009, 08:10 AM)

He is averaging 6 ppg. I dont care how many assists you get, 6 ppg is pathetic.
Who cares about the PPG. He has freaking 11.8 assist a game with only 2.2 TO, let not forget the 2.5 Steals and 5 rebounds. He freaking beasting, and you gonna complain about points?
lockey2k
Nov 3 2009, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (Denbo32 @ Nov 3 2009, 02:33 PM)

Who cares about the PPG. He has freaking 11.8 assist a game with only 2.2 TO, let not forget the 2.5 Steals and 5 rebounds. He freaking beasting, and you gonna complain about points?
ditto. He's leading the league in assists (second only to Nash in apg) and is third in the league with 2.5 spg. Mind you its only the fourth game, but DAAAAAAAMN.
Flare
Nov 7 2009, 09:07 PM
Rondo has gone absolutely berserk with the steals this year. Five of them tonight with another quarter and a half to play. Has Chris Paul been dethroned?
series
Nov 7 2009, 09:40 PM
If he had to score he could score. I can't shoot that well either, and i've made it my job to learn how exploit a defense that sags off of me. Rondo is great at that.
Yell_42
Nov 7 2009, 09:45 PM
2 minutes left in the game, and he hasnt played in the last quarter?
WHAT THE HELL?
Its a close game, this is pathetic coaching.
BadaBing
Nov 7 2009, 09:46 PM
QUOTE (Flare @ Nov 7 2009, 08:07 PM)

Rondo has gone absolutely berserk with the steals this year. Five of them tonight with another quarter and a half to play. Has Chris Paul been dethroned?
Umm... no.
squidthunder
Nov 7 2009, 09:47 PM
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Nov 7 2009, 06:45 PM)

2 minutes left in the game, and he hasnt played in the last quarter?
WHAT THE HELL?
Its a close game, this is pathetic coaching.
Noticed that.....wonder if he got hurt?
BadaBing
Nov 7 2009, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (Yell_42 @ Nov 7 2009, 08:45 PM)

2 minutes left in the game, and he hasnt played in the last quarter?
WHAT THE HELL?
Its a close game, this is pathetic coaching.
I dont think it's pathetic coaching! I'm very sure he can handle Alston. It's is curious to me. Is anyone watching the game? Injury? What's up?
Yell_42
Nov 7 2009, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (squidthunder @ Nov 7 2009, 09:47 PM)

Noticed that.....wonder if he got hurt?
True.
Must be hurt.
Damn.
Well, I was watching and it looked liked Rondo tweaked an ankle on a play. However he stayed in for a few plays and looked fine.
Then Eddie House comes in and the Celtics go on a big run. They may just rest him if the team is doing well.
chefboyarg
Nov 7 2009, 09:49 PM
QUOTE (rico381 @ Aug 9 2009, 01:49 AM)

His FT% won't kill you because of low volume, but it will hurt, and keep in mind that at PG, he's taking up a position that's supposed to help your team in that category. It would be one thing if a C shot that way, because so many of them do, and you can balance it out with almost any guard. But with Rondo killing your FT% from the PG slot, it means you need to compensate with a big man who shoots well, and there just aren't too many of those guys out there. As a PG who doesn't shoot threes, it's nearly impossible for him to warrant an early pick, especially with ugly numbers in several other cats (FT%, TO, PTS, and 3PM just seems like too many weaknesses to me). Those problems apply more to roto than H2H, where you can punt cats, but unless you're making a conscious effort to drop FT% and TOs and focus on other cats (the team that drafts Dwight Howard first round), I can't recommend him until the fifth round or so.
you don't expect to get a lot of points from the pg position. plus most high assist guys have high TO's.
Someone like Bargnani is a good to compliment Rondo's stat production
ponchsox
Nov 7 2009, 10:22 PM
Good thing Rondo only averages 2 FT attempts per game.
QUOTE (ponchsox @ Nov 7 2009, 07:22 PM)

Good thing Rondo only averages 2 FT attempts per game.
Good thing I have him in a FTM league

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Dapro
Nov 7 2009, 11:36 PM
QUOTE (gsw @ Nov 7 2009, 07:24 PM)

Good thing I have him in a FTM league

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Why is that a good thing?
Slone
Nov 7 2009, 11:45 PM
My understanding is that Rondo got benched because NJ was really sagging off of him on defense, and that Rondo was gambling too much on defense. They put in House and NJ had to respect his shot and House played decent D, triggering Boston's comeback. Obviously us Rondo owners want Rondo to gamble as much as possible, so hopefully he doesn't change how he plays and keeps getting those steals. I expect him to be getting full minutes again next game.
Well, I was just saying that his bad ft% doesn't hurt me at all.
Flare
Nov 8 2009, 06:06 AM
QUOTE (BadaBing @ Nov 7 2009, 06:46 PM)

Umm... no.
Obviously I mean in the department of steals. Rondo looks like he could be the league's premier thief this year.
Yell_42
Nov 8 2009, 06:10 AM
QUOTE (Slone @ Nov 7 2009, 11:45 PM)

My understanding is that Rondo got benched because NJ was really sagging off of him on defense, and that Rondo was gambling too much on defense. They put in House and NJ had to respect his shot and House played decent D, triggering Boston's comeback. Obviously us Rondo owners want Rondo to gamble as much as possible, so hopefully he doesn't change how he plays and keeps getting those steals. I expect him to be getting full minutes again next game.
Doesnt sound good to me if thats true.
He is their star PG who just got signed to a big contract, and he got benched against the worst team in the NBA?
ponchsox
Nov 14 2009, 08:34 PM
Can this guy make any free throws? Maybe he could learn from Dwight Howard, after all he's over 30% better from the line.
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