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Br0kenB
Ended last season on a tear, anyone liking him as much this year as they did last year? He finished 2008 on a tear. I love him as a WR2 at the beginning of Round 3. He has WR1 upside. Why is nobody talking about Colston?
3 times 2nd
I like his week 1 matchup. He was inconsistent last year though and the Saints spread the ball to so many different targets.
Enoch
It all depends on the condition of his knee. From injury expert Will Carroll's 8/19 report:

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Marques Colston: It's clear that some people just don't understand microfracture, or perhaps they just don't understand football. Marques Colston had microfracture surgery, which is a procedure done arthroscopically, but calling it "minor surgery" is just ... well, it's not correct. (Brett Favre's tendon severing? Also not minor.) Colston is back at practice and running, but no one who has seen him says he looks 100 percent. There's still some pain and swelling, with that latter part being the bigger issue right now. The Saints play the majority of their games on turf and that could be hard on Colston's knee. One of the worries a doctor warned me of is that knees can act a bit like sprained ankles: "They're fine when you stay on them, but swell rapidly if you get off." We've seen that often in basketball, but it looks like Colston's going to need a bike on the sidelines and, more importantly, in the locker room. If there was a way to sub in for a guy at halftime in fantasy, this would be the place.
ludawg23
And this is exactly why I think Moore has tremendous value this year. With Colston out last year, he stepped up in a big way for Brees.

Can be had in the later rounds as well...believe he was taken in the 8th round of my 14 teamer.

Colston's size and speed make him a rare talent but he's been banged up lately.
dmildagreat
Colston definitely seems like the classic risk-reward guy. He has been banged up alot already in his young career. When he is 100% healthy, there is no doubt he will put up top tier WR numbers. I think every team can afford a few risk-reward guys. In my case, I have Westbrook as he fell late into the 2nd round, and also Schaub.
fatboyj711
QUOTE (ludawg23 @ Aug 26 2009, 09:35 AM) *
And this is exactly why I think Moore has tremendous value this year. With Colston out last year, he stepped up in a big way for Brees.

Can be had in the later rounds as well...believe he was taken in the 8th round of my 14 teamer.

Colston's size and speed make him a rare talent but he's been banged up lately.


honestly, meachem at the end of the draft is the bargain i'll be targetting...

btw, speed is not one of colston's strengths...
Sherlock
QUOTE (fatboyj711 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:49 AM) *
honestly, meachem at the end of the draft is the bargain i'll be targetting...

btw, speed is not one of colston's strengths...


That's what I did. A handcuff for Colston so of speak. Having watched the last two Saints preseason games, I feel like Meachem could put up solid numbers if either Colston or Moore went down. It was just preseason, so he might not pan out at all, but given the high powered offense and the injury history of their receivers, I'm willing to give him a roster spot.
ludawg23
QUOTE (fatboyj711 @ Aug 26 2009, 12:49 PM) *
honestly, meachem at the end of the draft is the bargain i'll be targetting...

btw, speed is not one of colston's strengths...


I specifically meant the size/speed combo. A guy of his size that can move is a strength...

40 time was high at the combine but registered fastest 10 yard dash and has great acceleration.
Kanter112186
I was extremely high on him. And basically everything I've read today on these forums has had me really upset that I took him over Boldin.

Here's to hoping?
Sherlock
QUOTE (Kanter112186 @ Aug 26 2009, 12:07 PM) *
I was extremely high on him. And basically everything I've read today on these forums has had me really upset that I took him over Boldin.

Here's to hoping?


I don't think I would feel upset about that at all.
ScottyDog
Oh man, you read some other people's opinion that are just arm chair QB's and you already want to get rid of Colston? I am as HIGH on Colston as you can get. The guy hurt his thumb last year. That's it. He was on a tear last year at the end. I predict he is a top 5 WR this year with Brees. He is already tearing up the preaseason and is getting the majority of the looks from Brees. I think he is a steal in the 3rd round and will prove to be a steal in the 2nd. HIGH on Colston, I AM.


QUOTE (Kanter112186 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:07 PM) *
I was extremely high on him. And basically everything I've read today on these forums has had me really upset that I took him over Boldin.

Here's to hoping?
mbs4
QUOTE (ScottyDog @ Aug 26 2009, 11:19 AM) *
Oh man, you read some other people's opinion that are just arm chair QB's and you already want to get rid of Colston? I am as HIGH on Colston as you can get. The guy hurt his thumb last year. That's it. He was on a tear last year at the end. I predict he is a top 5 WR this year with Brees. He is already tearing up the preaseason and is getting the majority of the looks from Brees. I think he is a steal in the 3rd round and will prove to be a steal in the 2nd. HIGH on Colston, I AM.


The guy didn't just hurt his thumb last year. He had microfracture knee surgery.
fatboyj711
QUOTE (mbs4 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:36 PM) *
The guy didn't just hurt his thumb last year. He had microfracture knee surgery.


the thumb injury kept him out of several games early in the season... the microfracture surgery happened in the offseason and was kept on the down low until OTAs started
Kanter112186
QUOTE (ScottyDog @ Aug 26 2009, 05:19 PM) *
Oh man, you read some other people's opinion that are just arm chair QB's and you already want to get rid of Colston? I am as HIGH on Colston as you can get. The guy hurt his thumb last year. That's it. He was on a tear last year at the end. I predict he is a top 5 WR this year with Brees. He is already tearing up the preaseason and is getting the majority of the looks from Brees. I think he is a steal in the 3rd round and will prove to be a steal in the 2nd. HIGH on Colston, I AM.


Like I said, I was high on him, but it wasn't just everyone's opinion.

This one....

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Marques Colston: It's clear that some people just don't understand microfracture, or perhaps they just don't understand football. Marques Colston had microfracture surgery, which is a procedure done arthroscopically, but calling it "minor surgery" is just ... well, it's not correct. (Brett Favre's tendon severing? Also not minor.) Colston is back at practice and running, but no one who has seen him says he looks 100 percent. There's still some pain and swelling, with that latter part being the bigger issue right now. The Saints play the majority of their games on turf and that could be hard on Colston's knee. One of the worries a doctor warned me of is that knees can act a bit like sprained ankles: "They're fine when you stay on them, but swell rapidly if you get off." We've seen that often in basketball, but it looks like Colston's going to need a bike on the sidelines and, more importantly, in the locker room. If there was a way to sub in for a guy at halftime in fantasy, this would be the place.


....however, does scare me.
mbs4
QUOTE (fatboyj711 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:39 AM) *
the thumb injury kept him out of several games early in the season... the microfracture surgery happened in the offseason and was kept on the down low until OTAs started


It doesn't matter when it was. It is not a positive thing.
Hokie79
He's gonna be one of those guys(like Westbrook) that provides elite numbers when playing but likely won't give you 16 games.
fatboyj711
QUOTE (mbs4 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:42 PM) *
It doesn't matter when it was. It is not a positive thing.


agreed... sorry, i misread your post... i thought you said that colston "didn't hurt his thumb"...
fantasymad
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To say Marques Colston is recovering from the dreaded Microfracture surgery is a little misleading. Microfracture surgery has different categories. Colston’s surgery was not the most widely known microfracture procedure that ended the careers of Marshall Faulk and Terrell Davis where the articular surface is so worn down that the two main bones of the knee are basically rubbing together without much cushion causing pain. Colston underwent a microfracture surgical procedure on his left knee in January to repair a small hole he had worn behind his kneecap. The knee cap does not take the pounding that the joint itself takes. Thus, this type of microfracture is easier to recover from.


Where is this guy going in drafts, I think he is going to be a steal.
Kanter112186
QUOTE (fantasymad @ Aug 26 2009, 07:01 PM) *
Where is this guy going in drafts, I think he is gong to be a steal.


12 team .5 PPR 1 QB I grabbed him on my come-around in rounds 2/3. I had #2 pick.

Should really go right around 25-30.

I got him at 26.
Dr. Whom
Getting Colston in the 4th round would be a steal. He would be a 2nd round pick if he could stay healthy
breakingbookies
Colston could be huge...but I just like the way Brees was hitting Lance Moore last season a little bit too much to risk a high pick on Colston. Maybe they will fall back to their old ways, but man he was looking for Moore a ton.
Flschbrger
The talent is obviously there. I think it's more the fact Brees really spreads it around in that offense.
3 times 2nd
QUOTE (Flschbrger @ Aug 26 2009, 02:42 PM) *
The talent is obviously there. I think it's more the fact Brees really spreads it around in that offense.



This was my point earlier too. You look at guys drafted near Colston like Bowe/Roddy and I take these two before him because they are the only mouths to feed. Granted the Saints will throw more, but there's so many weopans and Brees is good enough that if a team doubles Colston, he will go elsewhere. This happened frequently early in the season last year....
ScottyDog
There is definately a flip side to that and that is why I have him slotted at a top 4 WR: Brees does have lots of weapons, Colston therefore is not going to get double teamed like Bowe and Roddy will. I really feel Colston will kill it this year.


QUOTE (3 times 2nd @ Aug 26 2009, 06:59 PM) *
This was my point earlier too. You look at guys drafted near Colston like Bowe/Roddy and I take these two before him because they are the only mouths to feed. Granted the Saints will throw more, but there's so many weopans and Brees is good enough that if a team doubles Colston, he will go elsewhere. This happened frequently early in the season last year....
Flschbrger
Brees is still going to find targets no matter the defense thrown at them. It's a pass heavy team with a lot of weapons. Colston will get his, but you would think a #1 WR on the best offense in the NFL would project higher, which says more about Brees than Colston.
3 times 2nd
QUOTE (ScottyDog @ Aug 26 2009, 08:00 PM) *
There is definately a flip side to that and that is why I have him slotted at a top 4 WR: Brees does have lots of weapons, Colston therefore is not going to get double teamed like Bowe and Roddy will. I really feel Colston will kill it this year.



While I agree somewhat, Brees's big weopans are pass catching RBs like Bush and Pierre. Not too many defenses are going to double Lance Moore or Devery Henderson or J Shock on their routes....they will shade Colston before they do that. But, I do like Colston...I just think you take Roddy White and D Bowe before him.
SmartassBoiler
QUOTE (Dr. Whom @ Aug 26 2009, 01:07 PM) *
Getting Colston in the 4th round would be a steal. He would be a 2nd round pick if he could stay healthy


This is exactly the problem I have with Colston. I group Colston and Boldin together as great WR1 talents who can't seem to put together a full season. They almost always post WR1 numbers when they're on the field, but thanks to their physical style of play, they always manage to either miss or play wounded for a few games. If I could get either as a WR2, I would be elated. If I had to rely on them as my WR1, I would be a bit concerned.
stevemann
QUOTE (3 times 2nd @ Aug 26 2009, 08:30 PM) *
While I agree somewhat, Brees's big weopans are pass catching RBs like Bush and Pierre. Not too many defenses are going to double Lance Moore or Devery Henderson or J Shock on their routes....they will shade Colston before they do that. But, I do like Colston...I just think you take Roddy White and D Bowe before him.


disagree....

i wouldnt have a problem with someone taking Roddy over Colsten....but i wouldnt do it. And Bowe over Colsten!? seriously? I think Cassell is gonna get exposed badly in KC this year. Good luck with that
fatboyj711
QUOTE (stevemann @ Aug 26 2009, 09:19 PM) *
disagree....

i wouldnt have a problem with someone taking Roddy over Colsten....but i wouldnt do it. And Bowe over Colsten!? seriously? I think Cassell is gonna get exposed badly in KC this year. Good luck with that


bowe will likely lead the league in targets this season since he was already among the league leaders last season and gonzo is now gone (colston will see 3/4 of total targets bowe will see if he's lucky).... something to chew on...
stevemann
QUOTE (fatboyj711 @ Aug 26 2009, 09:23 PM) *
bowe will likely lead the league in targets this season since he was already among the league leaders last season and gonzo is now gone (colston will see 3/4 of total targets bowe will see if he's lucky).... something to chew on...


yea....hes gotta work on those hands tho before i will ever draft him over Colston....and yes Gonzo is gone, but IMO that is a negative for Bowe. He will get shadowed and doubled EVERY WEEK.

Targets are a nice stat to draft by...but its meaningless if he cant turn those targets into receptions
fatboyj711
QUOTE (stevemann @ Aug 26 2009, 09:34 PM) *
yea....hes gotta work on those hands tho before i will ever draft him over Colston....and yes Gonzo is gone, but IMO that is a negative for Bowe. He will get shadowed and doubled EVERY WEEK.

Targets are a nice stat to draft by...but its meaningless if he cant turn those targets into receptions


top 5 WRs with the most targets in 08:

marshall
aj
bowe
fitz
calvin

i'll let that speak for itself
Dr. Whom
QUOTE (SmartassBoiler @ Aug 26 2009, 09:16 PM) *
This is exactly the problem I have with Colston. I group Colston and Boldin together as great WR1 talents who can't seem to put together a full season. They almost always post WR1 numbers when they're on the field, but thanks to their physical style of play, they always manage to either miss or play wounded for a few games. If I could get either as a WR2, I would be elated. If I had to rely on them as my WR1, I would be a bit concerned.


You should have a WR1 by the third round. WR/RB or WR/QB if you take Brees or Brady
Flschbrger
QUOTE (stevemann @ Aug 26 2009, 09:19 PM) *
disagree....

i wouldnt have a problem with someone taking Roddy over Colsten....but i wouldnt do it. And Bowe over Colsten!? seriously? I think Cassell is gonna get exposed badly in KC this year. Good luck with that


He might get exposed, but if your a good enough receiver, it doesn't matter who is throwing to you. Just look at Calvin last year. Bowe will have a better year than Colston, and I don't think its as close as your making it seem.
stevemann
QUOTE (Flschbrger @ Aug 26 2009, 10:11 PM) *
He might get exposed, but if your a good enough receiver, it doesn't matter who is throwing to you. Just look at Calvin last year. Bowe will have a better year than Colston, and I don't think its as close as your making it seem.


your comparing Calvin Johnson to Bowe? Megatron is a 6-5 freak of nature, physically speaking Bowe is "average" for a WR. Not to mention he doesnt have the greatest hands or separation speed. Yea he is a fine WR, but drafting him over Colston who is in an offense such as NO, with Brees as his QB? I would take the risk of injury and take Colston over Bowe any day...
fatboyj711
QUOTE (stevemann @ Aug 26 2009, 09:34 PM) *
yea....hes gotta work on those hands tho before i will ever draft him over Colston....and yes Gonzo is gone, but IMO that is a negative for Bowe. He will get shadowed and doubled EVERY WEEK.

Targets are a nice stat to draft by...but its meaningless if he cant turn those targets into receptions


fyi, bowe converted on 55% of his targets last season... colston converted on 53%...
Red Sox Nation
bowe is probably gonna get atleast 170 targets. he's not catching less than 80passes, and ill give him a projection for 92. we've gotten off topic tho. i like colston, he seems like a flashy high upside pick, but indeed his career is half crappy half great. a already slow and never fully healthy guy, now even more slowed and injury prone comin off microfracture surgery, unless he's there in my 4th round pick, im gonna have to pass on him. early picks normally can lose u a league more than win u won, and he seems like a definite risk (albeit high risk high reward)
William Ayers
Colston v/ Revis?

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Kanter112186
QUOTE (William Ayers @ Sep 29 2009, 09:20 PM) *
Colston v/ Revis?

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Colson, meet bench.
cubbie5150
QUOTE (Kanter112186 @ Sep 29 2009, 04:03 PM) *
Colson, meet bench.


Yeah...not good that I'm seriously entertaining the thought of using Mason over him (but only if Welker looks good to go)
norcal
QUOTE (Kanter112186 @ Sep 30 2009, 07:03 AM) *
Colson, meet bench.



you shut your mouth! lol j/k
gsw
Are you guys really sitting Colston? Who are you playing instead? I would consider it if it weren't for the fact that DJax has a bye week. I am definitely not starting Antonio Bryant over Colston...
cubbie5150
QUOTE (gsw @ Sep 30 2009, 01:14 AM) *
Are you guys really sitting Colston? Who are you playing instead? I would consider it if it weren't for the fact that DJax has a bye week. I am definitely not starting Antonio Bryant over Colston...


In my start 3 WR league, I was actually considering it DEPENDING on the status of Welker... My initial thought was assuming Welker plays, I'd roll w/ him vs Balt, S Smith (NYG) @ KC & Mason @ NE.... But, I'm guessing it's all academic because I have a bad feeling about Welker's knee. With that said, IF Welker is active, I'll be rolling the dice w/ him & Colston w/ my anchor being S Smith. I say "rolling the dice" w/ regards to both Colston & Welker because Colston up against a tough defensive matchup whether Revis stays on him or not & Welker after missing 2 games w/ what appears to be a nagging knee injury...doesn't instill a lot of confidence.
Kanter112186
QUOTE (gsw @ Sep 30 2009, 08:14 AM) *
Are you guys really sitting Colston? Who are you playing instead? I would consider it if it weren't for the fact that DJax has a bye week. I am definitely not starting Antonio Bryant over Colston...



Well it depends. I mean I'm throwing out Jennings, Sims-Walker and Nate Washington instead of Colston. Also, I'm a Jets fan so I know what Revis is capable of. It just makes it easier for any cross rooting, so I'll just sit Colston. Not worth all the hassle.
mrapollinax
Kanter, I'm curious if you think they will float a Safety over the top of Colston most of the game to help Revis? Or do you think they will stick with man coverage due to the fact there are so many receiving option available to the Saints? Even though Revis has been pretty stingy I have to take my chances with Colston being the stud that he is will get open or at least some chances to make plays.
dsmoke1986
Why would anyone sit Colston, who plays on the best offense in football...And they are playing this game in the dome...No way you can sit Colston this weekend.
Kanter112186
QUOTE (mrapollinax @ Sep 30 2009, 07:55 PM) *
Kanter, I'm curious if you think they will float a Safety over the top of Colston most of the game to help Revis? Or do you think they will stick with man coverage due to the fact there are so many receiving option available to the Saints? Even though Revis has been pretty stingy I have to take my chances with Colston being the stud that he is will get open or at least some chances to make plays.


I wish I knew what their gameplan was. I've read that it's not just going to be reckless abandon blitzing and more so strategic blitzing so I don't even know how that's going to work.

I'm guesing some shadowing of the safety but I think there are so many other options they might just throw Revis on Colston single coverage.
fatboyj711
QUOTE (Kanter112186 @ Sep 30 2009, 12:54 PM) *
Well it depends. I mean I'm throwing out Jennings, Sims-Walker and Nate Washington instead of Colston. Also, I'm a Jets fan so I know what Revis is capable of. It just makes it easier for any cross rooting, so I'll just sit Colston. Not worth all the hassle.


huh.gif

revis is great, but NO has a lot of players to defend, moreso than any team they've faced thus far (especially considering walters and welker were out wks 1 and 2)... the jets won't be able to focus on stopping any 1 option... furthermore, colston isn't NO's deep threat so revis may not even be guarding colston the entire game (colston will likely be moved along the formation all day)...

with that said, i can see why owners would be somewhat hesitant to start colston vs NYJ but sitting him in favor of sims-walker or washington is an over-rationalized/paranoid move imho...
GWSPi
How did NO fare last week against the Bills? rolleyes.gif
ludawg23
The key for the Jets is getting back a healthy Sheppard and Strickland. If Nick Lowery starts, that secondary is in trouble.

Yes, you can put Revis on Colston but then what?

Lowery on Henderson is a disaster waiting to happen. That will almost guarantee that a safety must roll that way to help out. The Saints have a lot of weapons and that Jets' secondary is hurting. They're going to have to pressure with 4 or 5 guys and if Brees has time, he'll work his magic. Brees inside that dome is pure gold.

I believe the Bills started out defending the Saints in a nickel package. Only then did Payton start feeding the ball to PT and he made them pay. Brees didn't pass for one TD and they still scored 27 points...pretty amazing.

The Saints are their own verison of the 2007 Pats...will be interesting to watch, Rex and that defense have a big task on their hands.

If it becomes a shootout, gotta lean towards the Saints. Sanchez doesn't really have one premier WR to throw too and the running game has been underwhelming thus far.
ludawg23
QUOTE (GWSPi @ Sep 30 2009, 05:14 PM) *
How did NO fare last week against the Bills? rolleyes.gif


uhhh...pretty sure they won

lol
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