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Hawks
Couldn't find a thread for this guy... absolutely love the chance he has this season! Better QB who will cause D's to stay back, WR's that are OK but not spectacular or any that will make it a big passing team. Same skills, year of improvement, as long as he stays healthy I see really big things coming.
TribeFoo
Couldn't agree more, and with Kevin Jones already done for the year I'm hoping he stays healthy since there is no one of consequence behind him (at least for now). I have him in PPR (along with Gore and Rice) and am looking forward to a huge year.
sfdevil
OK, who is officially afraid to start him against the Steelers ?
I probably will start him anyway since my secondary options (Bruce, Buckhalter) are rather mediocre in PPR.

but man am I unsure of his production this Sunday..
zandbak
Doesn't matter if I'm afraid or not, I drafted him #1 and he's starting.
The_Truth
QUOTE (sfdevil @ Sep 18 2009, 04:46 PM) *
OK, who is officially afraid to start him against the Steelers ?
I probably will start him anyway since my secondary options (Bruce, Buckhalter) are rather mediocre in PPR.

but man am I unsure of his production this Sunday..


Sorry to rain on the parade here, but as I mentioned in a different thread, this guy is in Ryan Grant territory with his vast opportunities and mediocre talent. I'm not sure where the hype train came from on this guy over the spring/summer that made him a top 3 pick? In his 17 games, all starts, he has averaged greater than 4.0 yds per carry 4 times! In my humble opinon, he is the other Adrien Peterson (the one he replaced, not the one in Minny). He is a plodding runner with excellent hands, that is a benefactor of his massive amount of touches. Throw in Jay Cutler's subpar history of throwing to the running back, and his value drops significantly in my book. Last year I wouldn't have traded Drew Brees, Chris Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Brian Westbrook for him straight up, and those were just guys on my own team. When I saw the publications on sale early this summer I was truly blown away that he was a concesus top 4 pick.

Forte is quantity, not quality. If he isn't forced the ball a ton of times, he's mediocre at best. IMO
B-Rock
I'm concerned that Fortes value is going to slip with Jay Cutler at the helm as opposed to increase - at least in PPR leagues.

I know that Denver has superior WRs to Chicago but Bronco running backs only caught a total of 27 balls last season with Cutler under center. Cutler actually has an arm and won't need to check down as often as Orton did. From the looks of game 1 he'd rather throw a pick than a screen. I don't know if Forte will even come close to the 63 receptions he had last season.

At least the Bears seem committed to sticking with him. The fact that he still got 25 carries despite not going anywhere against GB is a positive.

Could just be a case of buyers remorse - I passed over AP at pick #4 in my full point PPR league and was pretty upset when he outscored Forte 40fp to 7fp in week 1.
SuperJoint
I'm benching him in a league where I have other options (McFadden/Rice) - if you have decent alternative options you bench him.

If you're benching him in favor of guys with "iffy" carries like Leon, Felix, Lendale, etc you're making a mistake.
Marlo Stanfield
QUOTE (The_Truth @ Sep 18 2009, 04:57 PM) *
Sorry to rain on the parade here, but as I mentioned in a different thread, this guy is in Ryan Grant territory with his vast opportunities and mediocre talent. I'm not sure where the hype train came from on this guy over the spring/summer that made him a top 3 pick? In his 17 games, all starts, he has averaged greater than 4.0 yds per carry 4 times! In my humble opinon, he is the other Adrien Peterson (the one he replaced, not the one in Minny). He is a plodding runner with excellent hands, that is a benefactor of his massive amount of touches. Throw in Jay Cutler's subpar history of throwing to the running back, and his value drops significantly in my book. Last year I wouldn't have traded Drew Brees, Chris Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Brian Westbrook for him straight up, and those were just guys on my own team. When I saw the publications on sale early this summer I was truly blown away that he was a concesus top 4 pick.

Forte is quantity, not quality. If he isn't forced the ball a ton of times, he's mediocre at best. IMO

He was a rookie last year playing in the NFC North. You let me know how many rookie RB's had 1700 yards from scrimmage with 12 TD's. He had a 3.9 ypc playing in Chicago with very erratic QB and line play. Bottom line the man had a spectacular rookie season and is a very good running back. Is anyone claiming he is the best back in the league? No, but he is definitely better than Ryan Grant, LMAO. He looked sluggish vs Green Bay (also didn't help that he was only targeted once), he'll probably have another tough go against the Steelers, but he'll get back on track shortly thereafter.

You're comparing him to Adrian Peterson (Chi)...LOL...are you a huge Packers fan or something? Did he sex your girlfriend @ Tulane?
SuperJoint
Yeah - Forte is the Real Deal - no question. He's just got a tough opening schedule and an imbecile for a QB. Once things settle down a bit in CHI - and they will - he'll go back to being Mr. Automatic 15-25 point guy. Poor matchup Sunday though.
sox2004
QUOTE (Marlo Stanfield @ Sep 18 2009, 05:14 PM) *
He was a rookie last year playing in the NFC North. You let me know how many rookie RB's had 1700 yards from scrimmage with 12 TD's. He had a 3.9 ypc playing in Chicago with very erratic QB and line play. Bottom line the man had a spectacular rookie season and is a very good running back. Is anyone claiming he is the best back in the league? No, but he is definitely better than Ryan Grant, LMAO. He looked sluggish vs Green Bay (also didn't help that he was only targeted once), he'll probably have another tough go against the Steelers, but he'll get back on track shortly thereafter.

You're comparing him to Adrian Peterson (Chi)...LOL...are you a huge Packers fan or something? Did he sex your girlfriend @ Tulane?



my thoughts exactly. He's a workhorse, young, great receiver, 1700 yards, 12tds. What else ya want?
The_Truth
QUOTE (Marlo Stanfield @ Sep 18 2009, 05:14 PM) *
He was a rookie last year playing in the NFC North. You let me know how many rookie RB's had 1700 yards from scrimmage with 12 TD's. He had a 3.9 ypc playing in Chicago with very erratic QB and line play. Bottom line the man had a spectacular rookie season and is a very good running back. Is anyone claiming he is the best back in the league? No, but he is definitely better than Ryan Grant, LMAO. He looked sluggish vs Green Bay (also didn't help that he was only targeted once), he'll probably have another tough go against the Steelers, but he'll get back on track shortly thereafter.

You're comparing him to Adrian Peterson (Chi)...LOL...are you a huge Packers fan or something? Did he sex your girlfriend @ Tulane?


Pats fan, and you're using the NFC North in his defense? He played against the Lions and Packers 4 times, who both were terrible against the run.

I love how people take my $hit completely out of context and make a mockery out of it. Did I ever say Ryan Grant was better than him? Rosenthal says Ryan Grant is the least talented back that has a major workload. I was nominating Forte for that honor as well. And take a look at A-Pete's stats from the few games he started in 2007 at the end of the year. They're eerily similar to Forte. The guy is mediocre. Did I hurt your feelings or something?

Marlo Stanfield
QUOTE (The_Truth @ Sep 18 2009, 05:43 PM) *
Pats fan, and you're using the NFC North in his defense? He played against the Lions and Packers 4 times, who both were terrible against the run.

I love how people take my $hit completely out of context and make a mockery out of it. Did I ever say Ryan Grant was better than him? Rosenthal says Ryan Grant is the least talented back that has a major workload. I was nominating Forte for that honor as well. And take a look at A-Pete's stats from the few games he started in 2007 at the end of the year. They're eerily similar to Forte. The guy is mediocre. Did I hurt your feelings or something?

You didn't hear my feelings at all. You just come off as being highly misinformed and I question if you've even saw him play outside the Sunday night game against the Packers. The guy is a flat out stud. Your $hit just comes off bad, which is why people take it out of context or make a mockery of it.

You compared him to Ryan Grant thus suggesting they are similar talents and in your latest post go on to suggest that he's the least talented back with a major workload, lol.

drcrappants
more years of solid production
hunjeebakala
QUOTE (The_Truth @ Sep 18 2009, 05:43 PM) *
Pats fan, and you're using the NFC North in his defense? He played against the Lions and Packers 4 times, who both were terrible against the run.

I love how people take my $hit completely out of context and make a mockery out of it. Did I ever say Ryan Grant was better than him? Rosenthal says Ryan Grant is the least talented back that has a major workload. I was nominating Forte for that honor as well. And take a look at A-Pete's stats from the few games he started in 2007 at the end of the year. They're eerily similar to Forte. The guy is mediocre. Did I hurt your feelings or something?


You're a Pats fan and you haven't seen a decent running back in your system in like a decade, so starting off by saying that you're "Pats fan" is probably the last thing you would want to do when you want to make a comment about questionable running backs.
The_Truth
QUOTE (hunjeebakala @ Sep 18 2009, 06:06 PM) *
You're a Pats fan and you haven't seen a decent running back in your system in like a decade, so starting off by saying that you're "Pats fan" is probably the last thing you would want to do when you want to make a comment about questionable running backs.



If you guys were expecting to get 100% man-crush posts about Matt Forte you should have gone to MattForte.com. This is a GD message board, with contrasting opinions. Your Matt Forte fatheads will still be just as cool on your bedroom wall, don't worry, its just one persons opinion.

Saying a Pats fan, by default, has no place to comment on an RB is the single dumbest post I've read since I joined this Rotoworld forum. The only thing that could potentially be weaker is the clowns writing LMAO, or LOL. Seriously? Your laughing at posts on a football message board? Were you guys "LOL'ing" at the people who called Rashaan Salaam overrated after his rookie seasons? You guys just come off as pompass. In your defense, youre probably just used to the steaming piles your teams have rolled out at RB the last 15 years, so Forte is like the "decent" girl in a dive bar who looks like Jessica Biel compared to the rest of the fat chicks.
Hawks
Turner/Forte/Jackson/CJ/Jacobs ALL put up similar week 1 stats.
Hero202
I'm glad I was able to grab him at #5 in my draft. But I'm really thinking of benching him this week for Fred Jackson, but I'm just not sure yet...

I'm high on him the rest of the year, but he does have a tough playoff schedule after playing the Rams in the first week of the playoffs.
Hawks
QUOTE (Hero202 @ Sep 18 2009, 04:15 PM) *
I'm glad I was able to grab him at #5 in my draft. But I'm really thinking of benching him this week for Fred Jackson, but I'm just not sure yet...

I'm high on him the rest of the year, but he does have a tough playoff schedule after playing the Rams in the first week of the playoffs.


I'd debating the same thing... and with watching CJ go against the Steelers, I'm not sure CHI can do it. OL looked so horrible on Sunday.
Mr. Positive
The guy was an animal last year and I watched him rack up points like nobody's business. The packers are just a very improved defense after drafting a ton of youngsters the past few years. They decided to see if Cutler could beat them, which didn't go to well, at all. If I'm the Bears brass, I'd really try and boost both cutler's and forte's confidence by throwing to him often in check down's. It makes perfect sense to me.
FUM
His season will not start until Week 3 unfortunately.
drcrappants
QUOTE (SuperJoint @ Sep 18 2009, 02:12 PM) *
I'm benching him in a league where I have other options (McFadden/Rice) - if you have decent alternative options you bench him.

If you're benching him in favor of guys with "iffy" carries like Leon, Felix, Lendale, etc you're making a mistake.


isnt mcfadden an iffy carry himself?


also forte said he cannot cut hard because the field is recently sodded
BoSox04
If Forte has another 5 point game this weekend, Im sure there will be some owners out there panicking, looking to deal him. Buy Low.
Mr. Positive
I'm not throwing the towel in on Forte in this game quite yet. Polamalu is out and that defense may not be quite as stout without his presence on the field. As well, Forte is just a different guy at home, as he blew up almost every game there last season. Lastly, the Bears coaching staff have to be thinking they need to get Forte much more involved this week if they are to win, and one way to do that is pass dump offs to him throughout the game (especially since their receivers are incompetent), which would give both Forte and Cutler some confidence. Also, don't forget that Polamalu would usually get the assignment of stopping Forte on pass plays many times. It will be a back up or someone playing out of position doing it this time.
pbateman
QUOTE (The_Truth @ Sep 18 2009, 07:00 PM) *
If you guys were expecting to get 100% man-crush posts about Matt Forte you should have gone to MattForte.com. This is a GD message board, with contrasting opinions. Your Matt Forte fatheads will still be just as cool on your bedroom wall, don't worry, its just one persons opinion.

Saying a Pats fan, by default, has no place to comment on an RB is the single dumbest post I've read since I joined this Rotoworld forum. The only thing that could potentially be weaker is the clowns writing LMAO, or LOL. Seriously? Your laughing at posts on a football message board? Were you guys "LOL'ing" at the people who called Rashaan Salaam overrated after his rookie seasons? You guys just come off as pompass. In your defense, youre probably just used to the steaming piles your teams have rolled out at RB the last 15 years, so Forte is like the "decent" girl in a dive bar who looks like Jessica Biel compared to the rest of the fat chicks.


I'm a Green Bay fan, so I have no allegiance to Forte at all, but you are insane. He's a stud RB who will get plenty of opportunities in the running and passing game and is much better than you give him credit for being. I guess this will be the second dumbest post you'll read since I agree that being a Pats fan gives you little credibility in identifying good RB's. Your revolving door of castoffs, has-beens and never-was, is comical.
BoSox04
QUOTE (pbateman @ Sep 20 2009, 11:08 AM) *
I agree that being a Pats fan gives you little credibility in identifying good RB's. Your revolving door of castoffs, has-beens and never-was, is comical.


How can you say just because the patriots don't have a top RB, the fans can't identify good RB's? I agree with The_Truth here, saying something like that is pretty dumb.

Sorry, I don't want to hijack the thread, but that just annoys me.

Regarding Matt Forte, I think he is going to be fine after this weekend. If the Forte owner in my league wasn't my brother, I would most certainly try and trade for him. Patience is a virtue, and you just have to be patient for now.
Hero202
Anyone besides me still considering benching him?

Right now he is on my bench in favor of Fred Jackson, but I still haven't made up my mind
Marlo Stanfield
QUOTE (Hero202 @ Sep 20 2009, 11:33 AM) *
Anyone besides me still considering benching him?

Right now he is on my bench in favor of Fred Jackson, but I still haven't made up my mind

I have Fred Jackson, Ray Rice, and Leon Washington starting in front of him.
megamoviejohn
I'd play Forte over Jackson. I think Forte to gets a lot of dump offs this week. And since Troy isn't gonna be there killing him, I think its a wise play. But honestly, Fred Jackson should have a good game, I'm playing him in a few leagues as well. I still say Forte though.
tbrads
I'm considering playing Bradshaw over Forte today. I think I would be more pissed at myself if I played Forte and he had another crapper game...already knowing he may very well have a crapper game. I see Chicago playing catch up with Pittsburgh today and Forte maybe getting some receiving yards if Cutler pulls his head out of his arse.
KingSciarrillo
play your studs. this kid will have a strong game
RyFo18
You know if you sit him he'll score 30 points just to spite you.
Orton's Neckbeard
Play Forte. The Steelers D is tough but their offense isn't a scoring juggernaut, even with Big Ben at the helm. The game score should be relatively close enough for Cutler not to be forced to pass all game long.
Marlo Stanfield
you guys convinced me to leave him in over Leon Washington...
Hero202
This sucks...

But I am going to leave in Fred Jackson, Westbrook and Ray Rice for this week and have Forte on the bench
RyFo18
Fote isn't even in the game in favor of the shitty AP. Is he hurt?
rotoking07
QUOTE (RyFo18 @ Sep 20 2009, 05:17 PM) *
Fote isn't even in the game in favor of the shitty AP. Is he hurt?

No mention of an injury. What's more concerning is that AP has looked good.
RyFo18
QUOTE (rotoking07 @ Sep 20 2009, 04:22 PM) *
No mention of an injury. What's more concerning is that AP has looked good.


Yes he has...And Forte has not had any sort of burst so far (this week or last).
B-Rock
Forte looks terrible. Is it just me or is he just looking for the nearest defender and running straight into him??? If there's a pileup going on he seems to beeline straight for it as opposed to heading for any openings. What an awful first two games.

mjk356
QUOTE (B-Rock @ Sep 20 2009, 02:16 PM) *
Forte looks terrible. Is it just me or is he just looking for the nearest defender and running straight into him??? If there's a pileup going on he seems to beeline straight for it as opposed to heading for any openings. What an awful first two games.


He's showing no explosiveness right now. Obviously Pittsburgh's D is as staunch as they come, but Forte has looked tentative and plodding these first two weeks. Not happy at all I have this guy on my team.
marcus182
QUOTE (mjk356 @ Sep 20 2009, 03:22 PM) *
He's showing no explosiveness right now. Obviously Pittsburgh's D is as staunch as they come, but Forte has looked tentative and plodding these first two weeks. Not happy at all I have this guy on my team.


i've got him too and i need at the very least a TD from him if i have any chance this week since i'm playing the chris johnson owner.
drcrappants
so much for a stud. 1 year does NOT qualify as stud, albeit he did have a great season last year with a very bad YPC.
cutler doesnt check down so there goes a lot of value. sucks he fell to me at 5th and i fell for it.
sillybombs
wow he finally gets going and he fumbles... lucky they got it back
rms141
QUOTE (drcrappants @ Sep 20 2009, 06:51 PM) *
so much for a stud. 1 year does NOT qualify as stud, albeit he did have a great season last year with a very bad YPC.
cutler doesnt check down so there goes a lot of value. sucks he fell to me at 5th and i fell for it.


Way too early to start bashing Forte, especially considering that he's up against the Steelers and Ron Turner seems determined not to call outside runs against them. (Note to Turner: Polamalu is on the sidelines.)

If Forte stinks it up through week 4, then you can worry.
RyFo18
QUOTE (drcrappants @ Sep 20 2009, 05:51 PM) *
so much for a stud. 1 year does NOT qualify as stud, albeit he did have a great season last year with a very bad YPC.
cutler doesnt check down so there goes a lot of value. sucks he fell to me at 5th and i fell for it.


I can't believe rotoworld had him over Chris Johnson. I never bought it.
drcrappants
i'm not worried or bashing, but people are confused with the "never bench your studs" comment equating stud with high pick. im sure forte will be fine mid season.
dhil
QUOTE (drcrappants @ Sep 20 2009, 05:51 PM) *
so much for a stud. 1 year does NOT qualify as stud, albeit he did have a great season last year with a very bad YPC.
cutler doesnt check down so there goes a lot of value. sucks he fell to me at 5th and i fell for it.



talk about writing someone off entirely too early especially after dealing with Pittsburgh
banjo77
Forte is done
ciderjack6
Reminds me of Marshawn Lynch last year.

Young workhorse back (with sorry ypc in rookie year) who was supposed to take the next step in his soph season but didn't...

drcrappants
QUOTE (dhil @ Sep 20 2009, 04:20 PM) *
talk about writing someone off entirely too early especially after dealing with Pittsburgh


its pretty clear he isnt a stud because HE IS YEAR 2!!!
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rms141
QUOTE (ciderjack6 @ Sep 20 2009, 07:23 PM) *
Reminds me of Marshawn Lynch last year.

Young workhorse back (with sorry ypc in rookie year) who was supposed to take the next step in his soph season but didn't...


Not a bad comparison... if the "Forte is doomed" predictions pan out.

Chicago goes on the road to Seattle next week, then gets the Lions at home the week after. If Forte doesn't put up numbers in either of those games, then we can start hitting the panic button.
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