you guys think he will be the starter? and have some value ?

I do.
Washington suffered greatly last year without a solid Center to rebound and block shots. Everyone they tried putting in there to replace Haywood's absence... sucked. ANd when Haywood came back for the last few games, he did what he typically does. Rebounded and BLocked shots. and chipped in about 10 points.
Brendan Haywood will produce: 10-12 points, 8-10 rebounds, 2-3 blocks

o jesus, i never thought id see a haywood thread ever in my life. roy hibbert has more value than this bum

realistic projections: 8 pts 7 rebs 1 blk.

pass on this bum. mcgee looks way better than this guy

TR, I don't know if you realize, but you seem to be projecting career highs for Haywood in all three categories you mentioned. Excluding last year's tiny 6-game sample, he has never averaged 28 mpg in a season, and next year will not be the year. Haywood is 30 and coming off a major injury, and he has not one but two young, developing backups with great potential around to steal his minutes in Andray Blatche and Javale McGee. He'll be the starter, but don't expect much from him. Excluding the miniscule sample size last season, he has career highs of 10.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg 0.9 apg, and 1.5 bpg, with only one of his eight seasons above 63% FTs. I'm not very impressed, and these are career highs. Are you sticking by that prediction, even considering his career numbers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywobr01.html?

Realistic projections should give him near 1.5 blocks. he done it pretty much all the time. 10 points 8 rebounds seem very fair for him as well.

He has never average 8 boards a game. Why would he now with Javale threatening him from behind? If anything his boards could be below 7 perhaps?

if the wizards are as serious about "winning it all" as they claim to be. then you would have to think haywood would get the bulk of the minutes, as they would want a "vet" in the middle.
....just a thought.
his ft% is awful - but he doesn't touch the ball enough for that to matter too much.
he can rebound, get "hustle" points, and block shots. i feel that he isn't a bad guy to a "flyer" on late in your draft.

Maybe 7 is better, I was giving him some upside. he did 7.2 in 27 mins. If he does move up to 30 mins, grabbing an extra .8 rebounds isn't that far out.

But your right I should of said 10/7/1.5 Blocks

I agree

I think that's about right. Arenas coming back would be a huge help, because lots of Haywood's offense comes from offensive rebounding, so lots of Arenas bricks = lots of chances for Haywood.

FT% is key, too. His value increases exponentially if he can show that 74% FT in 07-08 wasn't a fluke, as compared to his 59% FT in the rest of his career.

I'm calling him the Nene-lite this year in terms of an unheralded center making a jump. He's not a trendy pick but I think he's gonna thrive this year without having to compete with Etan Thomas.

Pick #174, 15th round, final pick for me.
Liken his Trendyness.

show some love to this guy!
9 pts 19 boards 4 blocks!!!
got him in the lineup today and im very happy.
keep it up brendan!!

you guys realize he's doing this production with no Jamison....so basically ZERO big guys to compete with on the front court for the Wizards....

He'll be back to 10-8-1.5 once Jamison is back...

Did you watch him play two seasons ago? He was a valuable second center, and he produced similar numbers to the one's he's putting up now, on a similar team. Jamison is a 4-man anyway, so Oberto is the one who will affected when Antawn returns (Oberto will not play whatsoever when Jamison gets back). Haywood won't lose many minutes at all. His rebounds will go down a tad, but he will still put up solid numbers.

dont think he was arguing about time but rather a dip in the boards.

no offence here but im sure EVERYONE HERE in this forum know jamison is out...thus haywood doing above average.
i juz wanted to show some love to him for his big lines today. u sound like ur the only one in the world who knows this little jamison secret...gosh

I doubt he regresses in anyway, he still had to compete with Oberto/Blatche which if you look at their average rebounds together they are about the same as Jamison's average the last couple of years.

Butler siphons off quite a few however, but Haywood is still a good bet for 10/10/1.5 by season's end.

Good 3rd string center if you got him towards the end of the draft....looks like he picked up where he left off before the injury

You guys do realize in that "great" season he was averaging 10.6 points and 7.2 rebounds right? His blocks were at 1.7 so that was nice but I'd say tonight was more of an exception than the norm.

i don't know, i got him at about pick 156 and i think it was a great grab. he played great at the end of last season and i see no reason why he can't have a good season this year.

I'm not saying he isn't a great value pick. I'm just saying you should use this 19 board game as a way to sell high...

and im saying i don't think this is a guy u sell high on, i really think he's gonna get better over the course of the season.

edit: congrats on your 1000th post.

I guess it was more directed at the guy who called him "Nene-lite"...ha

is he injured? only played 10 mins in first half

Suns might be running which isn't Haywood's game

those 5 blocks are damn nice.

plus he got a double double 10pts, 10rebs.

Very good sign last night that Jamison was back, kicked butt and Haywood was still good. Lets see if he can keep this up

All I want from Haywood going forward is blocks, rebounds, and a solid FG%. I'm sure I'll get that, and I'm more than happy spending a late round pick on him.

i don't like that he played just 30 minutes. That's the 2nd lowest minutes he had all year if you don't count the game he fouled it. With Jamison back, it looks like he may lose close to 5 minutes per game.

with jamison back, a slight decrease in production is guaranteed, but considering where he was drafted by most teams, he'll still far exceed his expected value. the most positive thing to take from that game is that blatche only got 17 min with mcgee and oberto both getting 0.

yeah but you can look at it the other way. That it is very unusual that blatche only had 17 and mcgee and oberto didnt even play. So with all that and Haywood still only had 30 minutes, that may show us that 30 is on the very high end of how many minutes he will be getting this year per game.

Oberto was hurt that game...once he comes back he should get at least 5-10 minutes...those are not coming form jamison....

^ sorry didn't know he was hurt.

all i'm saying is i don't think haywood's value will drop off so much that he'll become waiver fodder. i drafted him in the 10th round of an 11 round draft. in a 16 team league though, the pool is shallow. i usually expect my last 2 picks to be droppable. good posts, i like the analysis.

Wait....are we talking about Fabricio Oberto? Why in the world do you expect he'll get 5-10 mins every game?

With Okur, Murphy and Dampier as my other centers I need Haywood to just average a double double with a great FG% for at least the next month.

Brandon haywood is a fast starter who fades or gets hurt. thats why you draft him this year. 2 years a go i drafted him same thing..averaging a double double and i traded him in a package for paul pierce. this year same thing moved him in a package for L. Aldridge....he starts of strong and then something happens...i would move him if you can sell high on him....

Gotta disagree with this. 2 years ago was the first year Haywood was fantasy-relevant since it was the first season where starting putting things together and getting significant, steady minutes.

If you look at his splits (2007-2008 splits here), you'll see he was very consistent during the entire season. He had a slight dip in his rebounding production in March, but had his second-best shot-blocking month on average.

Bottom line, facts and stats don't support what you are saying in terms of him being a "fast starter". There hasn't been much of a sample size with Haywood anyway because this is only the second season where Haywood has been a productive starting center and that he's been healthy. Not that what you said about Haywood being a fast starter was correct anyway, but even if it was accurate, Haywood hasn't started slowing down yet so you can't point to one other season and state that we are seeing a trend. You can say that he's injury prone, and maybe that makes for a good "sell-high", but I drafted Haywood to be a good value in the late round as a third center, and that's what I've gotten thus far.

Yes i agree he is a great value in late rounds and that is why i drafted. Look at his career numbers, based on career numbers i think his rebounds and blocks will fall closer to his average...he could have a little better season if for the first time they give him more than 30 minutes a game...but with oberto coming back, and i dont see a complete benching of blatche and mcgee, plus the risk of injury i see a good reason to sell high....Im not sure what splits you are looking at but after december his rebounds and blocks both fall off which is the reason you are owning a guy like him. His points stay around 10 points the whole year but im not rostering a guy because he scores 10 pts a game. if you can move him for a more reliable career stats guy i would do so. if not ride him as long as you can...also 2 years ago, keep in mind his career stats 2 years ago came when they did not have arenas for most of the year and butler was out for about a third of the season...i see 10 and 8 and 1.5 blocks as realistic as long as he is healty which is above his career average and would be his best year. if they maintain his 34 minutes a game and he can stay healthy then i can see him doing a little better than my projections. its not bad for a late round guy at all but i dont think he will be a 11-11 and 2.5 all year.

Oberto is back and before halftime he has almost 7 minutes...very possible they use him 5-10 minutes a game.