gordo4s
Oct 17 2009, 04:42 PM
QUOTE (alphakenny1 @ Oct 17 2009, 04:39 PM)

I like Boldin a lot. Really hard to put him over the top in front of people like Vjax, White and Jennings but I love him for his consistency. He's a guaranteed 5-7 catches a game and a target in the end zone for Warner. It hasn't happened so far this season but looking at the games he's been healthy, he's averaging 7 catches a game. Not sure how people can put Djax in front of Boldin. To me I'd rather have Boldin than Djax any day of the week. Okay maybe he's no homerun hitter but dang I like the fact that he's a guaranteed 10 pts a game with TD potential.
Completely agree. I love having physical big receivers like Boldin, Marshall or Colston, who are almost like a running back in how they can get the goal line TDs. I would definitely prefer Boldin to Djax, despite the "warner risk".
aab980
Oct 17 2009, 04:56 PM
QUOTE (BlueDevils22 @ Oct 17 2009, 04:03 PM)

Im not sure what its going to take for Steve Smith to get some respect, for him to be left out of the top ten at this point in time is absolutely insane. If you truly think Nicks' return is going to hurt him that much you just wrong, his return hurts Manningham. Smith is going to be on the field the entire game, and you know what? Eli loves him, he trusts him. Eli looks for him in the redzone, he looks for him on EVERY SINGLE third down passing play. Steve Smith is Eli's go to man and they have a chemistry that is undescribable. Honestly I could see Smith finishing somewhere around the top 5 and fellow RW posters would still be saying, "Hes not a top ten WR, blah blah".....As the season goes on and Smith continues to have big games maybe people will begin to realize this guy is the real deal and not a fluke. The reason Smith CAN and WILL make an adjustment to double coverages is solely because he runs some of the best routes in the NFL and Eli Manning has played like one of the best QBs in the NFL. I dont care how you try to cover Smith, but IMO your not stopping a perfect route and a perfect pass, because thats what Smith and Eli have thrived on all year long to this point.
I think a lot of people have respect for the abilities of Steve Smith, but like another poster pointed out. They have two pretty good running backs who can run over people and run the clock down. The Drew Brees/Marques Colston combo the last two weeks are a prime example of how a good ground game can neutralize the passing game. Another thing I'd point out is, their toughest game to date has been Dallas. Lastly! like I said in my previous post, defensive coordinators weren't paying him much attention the first few weeks of the season. You better believe they're paying him attention now. He'll be good, but top 10 the rest of the way, I'm not ready to go there yet. Curious as to where you'd put him though.
Hokie79
Oct 17 2009, 08:18 PM
QUOTE (BlueDevils22 @ Oct 17 2009, 04:03 PM)

Im not sure what its going to take for Steve Smith to get some respect, for him to be left out of the top ten at this point in time is absolutely insane. If you truly think Nicks' return is going to hurt him that much you just wrong, his return hurts Manningham. Smith is going to be on the field the entire game, and you know what? Eli loves him, he trusts him. Eli looks for him in the redzone, he looks for him on EVERY SINGLE third down passing play. Steve Smith is Eli's go to man and they have a chemistry that is undescribable. Honestly I could see Smith finishing somewhere around the top 5 and fellow RW posters would still be saying, "Hes not a top ten WR, blah blah".....As the season goes on and Smith continues to have big games maybe people will begin to realize this guy is the real deal and not a fluke. The reason Smith CAN and WILL make an adjustment to double coverages is solely because he runs some of the best routes in the NFL and Eli Manning has played like one of the best QBs in the NFL. I dont care how you try to cover Smith, but IMO your not stopping a perfect route and a perfect pass, because thats what Smith and Eli have thrived on all year long to this point.
Jesus christ, I feel like I went back in a time machine and we're talking about Montana-Rice. s--- if I knew Joe Cool was available I definitely would've drafted a QB early this year
BlueDevils22
Oct 17 2009, 08:23 PM
QUOTE (aab980 @ Oct 17 2009, 05:56 PM)

I think a lot of people have respect for the abilities of Steve Smith, but like another poster pointed out. They have two pretty good running backs who can run over people and run the clock down. The Drew Brees/Marques Colston combo the last two weeks are a prime example of how a good ground game can neutralize the passing game. Another thing I'd point out is, their toughest game to date has been Dallas. Lastly! like I said in my previous post, defensive coordinators weren't paying him much attention the first few weeks of the season. You better believe they're paying him attention now. He'll be good, but top 10 the rest of the way, I'm not ready to go there yet. Curious as to where you'd put him though.
Listen I get what your saying, I really do, but the fact of the matter is right now as of today Steve Smith is the #1 receiver in yahoo leagues. Therefore, I feel that no matter what he should be in the top 10 of the receivers as of TODAY. I agree the Giants love to control the clock and run the ball, but this year they have a different feel to them. Don't get me wrong they will run the ball a ton, but they will not abandon the pass like they have in the past. The giants have a lot of confidence in Eli and his abilities going forward. I know Eli has started out strong in previous years as well, but this time I think its different, I really believe its here to last. With that said as of right now my top 5 would be Johnson, Wayne, Fitz, Moss and Roddy White. I think Steve smith falls in the next tier with the likes of Colston, V-Jax and Calvin Johnson. Personally id take Steve Smiths over a homerun threat like D-Jax as of right now. Hes more consistant and his chemistry with Eli like ive said before is unbelievable right now. If in a few weeks if Smith really cools down, yeh hes out of the top 10 no doubt about it, but TODAY I dont understand how he can be left out. But like I said completely understand where everyone is coming from and I understand the concerns with him moving forward. I just feel like hes going to shock some people this year.
Hawks
Oct 17 2009, 09:29 PM
If your looking at players RIGHT NOW, not looking at "who they have throwing" or "injury risk" it's gotta be...
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Vincent Jackson
4. Andre Johnson
5. DeSean Jackson
6. Marques Colston
7. Randy Moss
8. Calvin Johnson
9. Roddy White
10. Nate Burleson
TheJuggernautBTCH
Oct 17 2009, 09:55 PM
Not saying I can do better but I cant see Jackson being #5 and Burleson at # 10 on any list.
cubbie5150
Oct 18 2009, 03:24 AM
I'm trying to come up w/ my own top 10 list, and I just can't seem to put Colston in there...just not enough targets. Nothing else can get me to overcome that.
aab980
Oct 18 2009, 08:19 AM
QUOTE (BlueDevils22 @ Oct 17 2009, 09:23 PM)

Listen I get what your saying, I really do, but the fact of the matter is right now as of today Steve Smith is the #1 receiver in yahoo leagues. Therefore, I feel that no matter what he should be in the top 10 of the receivers as of TODAY. I agree the Giants love to control the clock and run the ball, but this year they have a different feel to them. Don't get me wrong they will run the ball a ton, but they will not abandon the pass like they have in the past. The giants have a lot of confidence in Eli and his abilities going forward. I know Eli has started out strong in previous years as well, but this time I think its different, I really believe its here to last. With that said as of right now my top 5 would be Johnson, Wayne, Fitz, Moss and Roddy White. I think Steve smith falls in the next tier with the likes of Colston, V-Jax and Calvin Johnson. Personally id take Steve Smiths over a homerun threat like D-Jax as of right now. Hes more consistant and his chemistry with Eli like ive said before is unbelievable right now. If in a few weeks if Smith really cools down, yeh hes out of the top 10 no doubt about it, but TODAY I dont understand how he can be left out. But like I said completely understand where everyone is coming from and I understand the concerns with him moving forward. I just feel like hes going to shock some people this year.
If we ranked him today based on the season to date I'd probably have him one or two. These rankings(I'm assuming)is for the remaining 11 games. I don't think he'll go Larry Johnson on his fantasy owners or anything, just saying I think he finishes outside of the top 10 the rest of the way.
The_Truth
Oct 18 2009, 08:31 AM
QUOTE (Hawks @ Oct 17 2009, 10:29 PM)

If your looking at players RIGHT NOW, not looking at "who they have throwing" or "injury risk" it's gotta be...
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Vincent Jackson
4. Andre Johnson
5. DeSean Jackson
6. Marques Colston
7. Randy Moss
8. Calvin Johnson
9. Roddy White
10. Nate Burleson
Andre at #4? Desean Jackson at #5? Yikes .... wanna join a big money league of mine?
The_Truth
Oct 18 2009, 08:41 AM
1. Andre Johnson
2. Reggie Wayne
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Randy Moss
5. Roddy White
6. Anquan Boldin
7. Brandon Marshall
8. Marques Colston
9. Vincent Jackson
10. Calvin Johnson
This is based on PPR ...
Notes:
A) Calvin drops because of injury

Andre is the clear #1 in my opinion (ignore the queer emoticon, apparantly B with an ) results in a sunglassed dude?)
C) Larry Fitz and Boldin are not separated by much when both are healthy
D) Vincent Jax is at 9 only because he does not rack up receptions in volume
E) Only beasts need apply ... the small speedsters are too inconsistent for my liking
F) Steve Smith (NYG) would be in the 12'ish - 15'ish area
MrQuestions
Oct 18 2009, 09:52 AM
QUOTE (cubbie5150 @ Oct 18 2009, 03:24 AM)

I'm trying to come up w/ my own top 10 list, and I just can't seem to put Colston in there...just not enough targets. Nothing else can get me to overcome that.
That's why he's not in my top 10 either. He just doesn't get the ball enough.
gordo4s
Oct 18 2009, 10:12 AM
QUOTE (The_Truth @ Oct 18 2009, 09:41 AM)

1. Andre Johnson
2. Reggie Wayne
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Randy Moss
5. Roddy White
6. Anquan Boldin
7. Brandon Marshall
8. Marques Colston
9. Vincent Jackson
10. Calvin Johnson
This is based on PPR ...
I like this list a lot, and the "only beasts need apply" philosophy. I thought about sticking Marshall higher, but I don't know who I would drop down for him.
dsmoke1986
Nov 3 2009, 11:34 AM
Top 5 right now IMO:
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Vincent Jackson
Roddy White
Marques Colston
This is based on consistency, and explosiveness(upside)
I'm leaving Fitz off because he hasn't caught a ball over 25 yards this season, these 5 are guys that can carry you in weeks, not just get you 10-20 consistently.
bohman
Nov 3 2009, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (MrQuestions @ Oct 18 2009, 10:52 AM)

That's why he's not in my top 10 either. He just doesn't get the ball enough.
in my league, he is the 9th WR in scoring while being the 16th WR in targets.
above him in targets are boldin, ward, holmes, housh, burleson, and both steve smiths.
he does get the ball enough, and he knows what to do with it.
aab980
Nov 3 2009, 12:13 PM
Top 10 so far in my standard league
1. Wayne
2. VJax
3. Andre Johnson
4. Miles Austin
5. DJax
6. Roddy White
7. Steve Smith(NYG)
8. Colston
9. Ocho
10. Fitzgerald
Miles Austin is the obvious surprise on that list. Steve Smith has definitely cooled off, he was #1 a few weeks ago. Andre Johnson and Smith hasn't had their byes yet, so I expect them to fall a bit in the next couple of weeks. Look for Moss to vault back into the top 10 this coming week or next. I'm not expecting a ton of changes by the end of the season. I think what you see here is what you're going to get. Some will move up, some will move down, but I think the majority of these guys will still be in the top 10 when all is said and done.
kjtocool
Nov 3 2009, 12:48 PM
How consistent has DeSean been, when so many people claimed he was hit or miss. In my league (non-ppr), his week by week is:
1 - 9 pts
2 - 17 pts
3 - 20 pts
4 - BYE
5 - 0 pts
6 - 9 pts
7 - 24 pts
8 - 13 pts
Excluding week 5, the guy has been lights out all year. Certainly in my top 5. Reggie Wayne is also clearly the #1 receiver.
lavaman
Nov 3 2009, 12:55 PM
I think Miles Austin is fast approaching the top 15 or so WR's in the league. He may even crack the top 10 in the 2nd half of the season.
aab980
Nov 3 2009, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (kjtocool @ Nov 3 2009, 01:48 PM)

How consistent has DeSean been, when so many people claimed he was hit or miss. In my league (non-ppr), his week by week is:
1 - 9 pts
2 - 17 pts
3 - 20 pts
4 - BYE
5 - 0 pts
6 - 9 pts
7 - 24 pts
8 - 13 pts
Excluding week 5, the guy has been lights out all year. Certainly in my top 5. Reggie Wayne is also clearly the #1 receiver.
Couldn't agree more, Desean Jackson has had only one bad week so far and that was week 5. Hard to get anymore consistent than that. Agree about Wayne as well, looking like he'll be the #1 WR in fantasy on the season.
Tuggernuts
Nov 3 2009, 01:02 PM
Top 10 from here on out -
1.reggie wayne
2.vincent jackson
3.andre johnson
4.larry fitzgerald
5.calvin johnson
6.randy moss
7.marques colston
8.chad ochocinco
9.roddy white
10.desean jackson
rtcollin
Nov 3 2009, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (Tuggernuts @ Nov 3 2009, 12:02 PM)

Top 10 from here on out -
1.reggie wayne
2.vincent jackson
3.andre johnson
4.larry fitzgerald
5.calvin johnson
6.randy moss
7.marques colston
8.chad ochocinco
9.roddy white
10.desean jackson
Wow, this fella is definitely not bias at all when factoring his own WR into the rankings....
kjtocool
Nov 3 2009, 02:03 PM
For me, going forward, it looks like:
1 - R. Wayne
2 - V. Jackson
3 - A. Johnson
4 - D. Jackson
5 - L. Fitzgerald
6 - R. White
7 - R. Moss
8 - C. Johnson
9 - M. Colston
10 - G. Jennings
The biggest loser in my rankings is Calvin, and my main reasoning is fairly simple: injury + rookie QB = inconsistency. Still very valuable, but not as high as his skill dictates. Putting DeSean above Fitz was tough, but all things being equal, I think DeSean has more big play ability. I also think Moss below White will be a surprise to many people, and leaving Ocho off could raise some eyebrows, but I really think this is a solid picture of how the WR will perform moving forward, and it's my personal value ranking.
bohman
Nov 3 2009, 02:31 PM
- Reggie Wayne
- Andre Johnson
- Randy Moss
- Vincent Jackson
- Roddy White
- DeSean Jackson
- Marques Colston
- Larry Fitzgerald
- Miles Austin
- Wes Welker
KingSciarrillo
Nov 3 2009, 09:44 PM
Fitzy #1 from here out
Krono87
Nov 3 2009, 09:50 PM
People putting v.jax anywhere near top 5 need their heads examined.
Patrick Bateman
Nov 3 2009, 09:57 PM
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 08:50 PM)

People putting v.jax anywhere near top 5 need their heads examined.
Interesting statement. Please explain....
Krono87
Nov 3 2009, 10:04 PM
Vincent's best career numbers 59 recs 1098yds 7 tds. Thats good and all and he should surpass that this year. But there are definitely 5 guys who WILL put up better numbers than him by the end. Also, 3 of his biggest games were against Oakland, Chiefs and Miami.
Guys who will outperform Vincent Jackson:
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
Chad Ochocinco
Hokie79
Nov 3 2009, 10:10 PM
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:50 PM)

People putting v.jax anywhere near top 5 need their heads examined.
Thus far he's #3 ranked WR in my league(.5 ppr), and I don't see any reason he'll slow down unless him or Rivers gets hurt. I could understand people putting him outside the top 5 in their rankings, but I don't understand how someone would think top 5 is crazy.
HardhittinCQ
Nov 3 2009, 10:29 PM
No love for Chad Ochocinco?
Patrick Bateman
Nov 3 2009, 10:40 PM
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:04 PM)

Vincent's best career numbers 59 recs 1098yds 7 tds. Thats good and all and he should surpass that this year. But there are definitely 5 guys who WILL put up better numbers than him by the end. Also, 3 of his biggest games were against Oakland, Chiefs and Miami.
Guys who will outperform Vincent Jackson:
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
Chad Ochocinco
Fair enough. I like all of those WRs, own a few too, but to put out a blanket statement with such definitiveness is always a good recipe for a nice tasty plate of crow. You inferred that he would be nowhere near the top 5 but only give 5 WRs you like more. I think you're selling his progression and learning curve as a WR short, but opinions do vary. I also like the fact that weather won't be a factor for Jackson going foward. It will be for Moss and Ocho. Also, Wayne most likely isn't going to play week 17 and there is a good chance Moss won't either, so there are many factors to consider when thinking about numbers going forward. Also, Jackson had to go against Asomugha for Oakland in two games already so that's not really a great matchup. He also gets NYG, KC, Cle, Dal, Cin, Philly and Ten the 2nd half of the year. All of those teams rank in the bottom half of the league in TDs given up thru the air for the season....
Rush2112
Nov 3 2009, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (Hawks @ Oct 17 2009, 09:29 PM)

<br />If your looking at players RIGHT NOW, not looking at "who they have throwing" or "injury risk" it's gotta be...<br /><br />1. Reggie Wayne<br />2. Larry Fitzgerald<br />3. Vincent Jackson<br />4. Andre Johnson<br />5. DeSean Jackson<br />6. Marques Colston <br />7. Randy Moss<br />8. Calvin Johnson<br />9. Roddy White<br />10. Nate Burleson<br />
<br /><br /><br />
Replace Nate with Jennings.
aab980
Nov 3 2009, 11:51 PM
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 10:50 PM)

People putting v.jax anywhere near top 5 need their heads examined.
Where would you put him, 30th, 20th. VJax is a top 10 if not top 5 wideout the rest of the way if he and Rivers stays healthy. If you don't at least have him in or near the top 10 then you might be the one that need your head "examined". BTW in the interest of full disclosure, not a Vincent Jackson owner or a Charger fan, so no bias here.
yoda
Nov 4 2009, 12:00 AM
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 07:04 PM)

Vincent's best career numbers 59 recs 1098yds 7 tds. Thats good and all and he should surpass that this year. But there are definitely 5 guys who WILL put up better numbers than him by the end. Also, 3 of his biggest games were against Oakland, Chiefs and Miami.
Guys who will outperform Vincent Jackson:
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
Chad Ochocinco
1. You've never seen Jackson play
2. You don't realize that Asomugha is one of the best if not the best CB in the league
alphakenny1
Nov 4 2009, 12:33 AM
QUOTE (yoda @ Nov 3 2009, 09:00 PM)

1. You've never seen Jackson play
2. You don't realize that Asomugha is one of the best if not the best CB in the league
Asomugha plays on one side only. If you watch the highlights, he gets none of his catches against Asomugha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtEEm5rqbyMRegardless Vjax is a stud and obviously has made giant steps this year. To say he's not in the conversation of a top 5 is ridiculous. He's definitely in the conversation. Is he top 5, not sure but you can definitely make a case for Vjax.
fredth3cat
Nov 4 2009, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (yoda @ Nov 4 2009, 12:00 AM)

1. You've never seen Jackson play
2. You don't realize that Asomugha is one of the best if not the best CB in the league
You don't realize that Asomugha rarely covers VJax, because he almost always stays on the other side of the field.
Patrick Bateman
Nov 4 2009, 12:58 AM
QUOTE (alphakenny1 @ Nov 3 2009, 11:33 PM)

Asomugha plays on one side only. If you watch the highlights, he gets none of his catches against Asomugha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtEEm5rqbyMRegardless Vjax is a stud and obviously has made giant steps this year. To say he's not in the conversation of a top 5 is ridiculous. He's definitely in the conversation. Is he top 5, not sure but you can definitely make a case for Vjax.
On that TD, I don't think anyone was covering Jackson!

Actually, his 2nd catch is in Asomugha's zone and he makes the tackle. In the first game, Jackson burned Asomugha for a TD in week 1...I like the fact that SD is now moving Jackson around and putting him in the slot to get favorable matchups.....
3:30 in....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqs_8thjvsc
alphakenny1
Nov 4 2009, 01:07 AM
QUOTE (Patrick Bateman @ Nov 3 2009, 09:58 PM)

On that TD, I don't think anyone was covering Jackson!

Actually, his 2nd catch is in Asomugha's zone and he makes the tackle. In the first game, Jackson burned Asomugha for a TD in week 1...I like the fact that SD is now moving Jackson around and putting him in the slot to get favorable matchups.....
3:30 in....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqs_8thjvschehe yea but Vjax still wasn't covered by him.
Also man that was a sick move by Vjax. Nice back shoulder throw by Phillips too.
Marlo Stanfield
Nov 4 2009, 08:22 AM
I think people forget just how productive Wes Welker missed two games. He's currently sitting 4th in catches after missing two games due to injury and the Patriots are just wrapping up their bye week. He's averaging over 9 catches a game and has 4 TD's in 5 games played. I'd venture to say that in PPR leagues he's averaged more points per game than any other WR. He's as consistent as it gets. I really like this guy and I'd much rather own him than a Desean Jackson who is more than capable of putting up duds from time to time.
Anyway my top 10 (going forward):
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Vincent Jackson
Roddy White
Wes Welker
Marques Colston
Randy Moss
Larry Fitzgerald
Ocho Cino
Desean Jackson
bohman
Nov 4 2009, 08:29 AM
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:50 PM)

People putting v.jax anywhere near top 5 need their heads examined.
QUOTE (Krono87 @ Nov 3 2009, 10:04 PM)

Vincent's best career numbers 59 recs 1098yds 7 tds. Thats good and all and he should surpass that this year. But there are definitely 5 guys who WILL put up better numbers than him by the end. Also, 3 of his biggest games were against Oakland, Chiefs and Miami.
Guys who will outperform Vincent Jackson:
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
Chad Ochocinco
Jackson's career numbers - this is his 3rd year as full-time starter; his numbers have gone up each year.
Chad Johnson has 1 game of 100 yards, same with Fitzgerald, Moss 3, Wayne 3, AJ 3. Vincent has 4.
Jackson had only 1 week where he didn't put up WR1 points.
He is the #1 WR on a team with a failing running game and a strong-armed QB that he has been able to develop with. He has incredible size (6'5'') and good speed (4.46).
I WOULD HOPE a reciever puts up his biggest games against the dregs of the league. that's what is supposed to happen. if he sucked against them, then you may have some merit to your argument.
head examination? i dont think so.
yoda
Nov 4 2009, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (alphakenny1 @ Nov 3 2009, 09:33 PM)

Asomugha plays on one side only. If you watch the highlights, he gets none of his catches against Asomugha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtEEm5rqbyMRegardless Vjax is a stud and obviously has made giant steps this year. To say he's not in the conversation of a top 5 is ridiculous. He's definitely in the conversation. Is he top 5, not sure but you can definitely make a case for Vjax.
I stand corrected on Asomugha covering VJax. I thought he was on him most of the game.
Marlo Stanfield
Nov 4 2009, 08:39 AM
I think VJax is easily a top 5 WR in FF and RL. The guy is the total package. He was a bit of a project but he's really developed into a NFL WR. He's probably the best athlete in the NFL (@ WR) not named Calvin Johnson and he's still figuring out how to play the position.
kjtocool
Nov 4 2009, 11:07 AM
Yeah, VJax is a beast, very few guys I'd rather have.
ludawg23
Nov 4 2009, 11:09 AM
I don't think VJAX will slow down.
He was highly touted this offseason as someone who was ready to take the next step and become and elite WR.
Rivers loves him and there's no reason not too. He's a huge target and makes big plays...
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