MrQuestions
Oct 6 2009, 06:40 PM
I'm going to say:
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Andre Johnson
3. Randy Moss
4. Calvin Johnson
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Vincent Jackson
7. Steve Smith (NYG)
8. Marques Colston
9. Roddy White
10. Steve Smith (CAR)
11. Greg Jennings
12. Chad Ochocinco
13. Anquan Boldin
14. Santonio Holmes
15. DeSean Jackson
16. Wes Welker
17. Jerricho Cotchery
18. Derrick Mason
19. Brandon Marshall
20. Hines Ward
21. Nate Burleson
22. Mike Sims-Walker
23. Dwayne Bowe
24. Mario Manningham
25. TJ Houshmanzadeh
26. Percy Harvin
27. Terrell Owens
28. Donald Driver
29. Santana Moss
30. Kevin Walter
Johnny Knox
Ted Ginn
Nate Washington
Devin Hester
Antonio Bryant
Roy Williams
Lee Evans
Anthony Gonzalez
Braylon Edwards
Donnie Avery
Kenny Britt
Blast away!
Dr. Whom
Oct 6 2009, 06:42 PM
They are who we thought they were!
Except for Steve Smith...O he sick
Desean Jackson should be 6 on your list
SkinsRBack
Oct 6 2009, 09:03 PM
Yeah D-Jax is way to low, he's top 10 without a doubt, I'd say top 5 myself.
MrQuestions
Oct 6 2009, 09:21 PM
I like Djax also... and I own him, so ranking him that high to begin with would make me feel slightly myopic

.
I think I ranked him lower mostly because I think he doesn't get the number of targets a top 5 fantasy WR gets and because he depends so much on the big play. After seeing your responses I checked the numbers and he has had more targets than I thought (and a bye week), so I was a bit off there.
Who should move down? To put him into the top 5(10)?
bigdirty
Oct 6 2009, 09:25 PM
Fitz has been less than stellar this year - I would put Vincent Jackson in front of him - Wes Welker 16 is too high - he has been injured and that knee will bark all year plus he doesnt score TDs - Greg Jennings seems too high - he has had 2 poor games (ok one he had 100 yds but only 2 catches) - I also think Colston has lost some value with Brees continuing to evenly distribute the ball - Dwayne Bowe is great - but injuries and his team is awful - he will struggle all year to score decent fantasy points
Cfused
Oct 6 2009, 10:06 PM
Are we ranking this based on where we think they're going to end up or based strictly on what they've done so far? In a PPR Steve Smith (Giants) should be a lot higher. I'm not sure if I would still rank AJ that high with only one break out game. VJax and Steve Smith (Giants) have been out performing everyone with exception to Reggie Wayne.
os_gamejunkie
Oct 6 2009, 10:09 PM
QUOTE (Cfused @ Oct 6 2009, 10:06 PM)

Are we ranking this based on where we think they're going to end up or based strictly on what they've done so far? In a PPR Steve Smith (Giants) should be a lot higher. I'm not sure if I would still rank AJ that high with only one break out game. VJax and Steve Smith (Giants) have been out performing everyone with exception to Reggie Wayne.
Think I drafted him in the 2nd to last round in my PPR league. I was just looking for depth and ended up with a pot of gold.
Go Texans Go
Oct 6 2009, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (Cfused @ Oct 6 2009, 10:06 PM)

Are we ranking this based on where we think they're going to end up or based strictly on what they've done so far? In a PPR Steve Smith (Giants) should be a lot higher. I'm not sure if I would still rank AJ that high with only one break out game. VJax and Steve Smith (Giants) have been out performing everyone with exception to Reggie Wayne.
well to be fair to AJ, he has played Revis, Asomugha (OAK CB), Finnegan, and Mathis....Revis, Asomugha, and Mathis are really top CB's
MrQuestions
Oct 6 2009, 10:20 PM
QUOTE (Cfused @ Oct 6 2009, 10:06 PM)

Are we ranking this based on where we think they're going to end up or based strictly on what they've done so far? In a PPR Steve Smith (Giants) should be a lot higher. I'm not sure if I would still rank AJ that high with only one break out game. VJax and Steve Smith (Giants) have been out performing everyone with exception to Reggie Wayne.
Rank them based on what we think their value currently is -- like a "going forward" type of thing.
And non-PPR
kjtocool
Oct 7 2009, 09:47 AM
My top 10 based on my percieved current value:
1) Wayne
2) Andre 3000
3) Moss
4) Jackson
5) Fitz
6) DeSean
7) Megatron
8) Jennings
9) Steve Smith (NYG)
10) Steve Smith (Car)
ludawg23
Oct 7 2009, 09:48 AM
QUOTE (kjtocool @ Oct 7 2009, 10:47 AM)

My top 10 based on my percieved current value:
1) Wayne
2) Andre 3000
3) Moss
4) Jackson
5) Fitz
6) DeSean
7) Megatron
8) Jennings
9) Steve Smith (NYG)
10) Steve Smith (Car)
I agree with most of this list except for Jennings, he does not deserve to be in the top 10 due to his performance YTD. Same could be said regarding Steve Smith of the Panthers...
kjtocool
Oct 7 2009, 10:06 AM
I agree, but this is not a ranking of what they've done, rather what they will do. Going forward, I'd rather Jennings on my team than any WR not listed above him. Again, personal preference, but the guy does what I love from a WR: he catches touchdowns! 21 over the past two years.
GB's OL will be better following the bye, and as they get better, so do Jennings numbers.
MrQuestions
Oct 7 2009, 11:43 AM
REVISED LIST!
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Andre Johnson
3. Randy Moss
4. Vincent Jackson
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. DeSean Jackson
7. Calvin Johnson
8. Steve Smith (NYG)
9. Marques Colston
10. Roddy White
11. Steve Smith (CAR)
12. Greg Jennings
13. Chad Ochocinco
14. Anquan Boldin
15. Santonio Holmes
16. Derrick Mason
17. Brandon Marshall
18. Mike Sims-Walker
19. Hines Ward
20. Jerricho Cotchery
21. Nate Burleson
22. Wes Welker
23. Dwayne Bowe
24. Mario Manningham
25. TJ Houshmanzadeh
26. Percy Harvin
27. Terrell Owens
28. Donald Driver
29. Santana Moss
30. Kevin Walter
Johnny Knox
Ted Ginn
Nate Washington
Devin Hester
Antonio Bryant
Roy Williams
Lee Evans
Anthony Gonzalez
Braylon Edwards
Donnie Avery
Kenny Britt
Moved Up:
Djax, Vjax, Sims-Walker
Moved Down:
Cotchery, Welker and Megatron
Questioning: (are they in the right spot?)
Brandon Marshall
Hines Ward
whiskeyriver
Oct 7 2009, 11:48 AM
Where's Eddie Royal!
(Lolz OMG J/K!)
Straight Cash Homey
Oct 7 2009, 11:58 AM
TO goes to the bottom of my list
kjtocool
Oct 7 2009, 12:11 PM
So ... there are people here who would honestly rather have Roddy White than Greg Jennings? To you I say: Offer that trade to whoever owns Roddy White in your league and see how quickly it gets accepted.
MrQuestions
Oct 7 2009, 12:14 PM
QUOTE (kjtocool @ Oct 7 2009, 12:11 PM)

So ... there are people here who would honestly rather have Roddy White than Greg Jennings? To you I say: Offer that trade to whoever owns Roddy White in your league and see how quickly it gets accepted.
So you're saying you think Jennings should be above Roddy White?
You're probably right, although with Jennings you have to worry about that O-Line, ATLs passing O looks legit.
kjtocool
Oct 7 2009, 12:28 PM
5 - 42 - 0
6 - 53 - 1
4 - 24 - 0
Those are White's #'s thus far. I had White below Jennings in my pre-season rankings, and he's done nothing to move ahead, plus Gonzo clearly takes a lot of red zone oppurtunities away. At least Jennings has two 100 yard games.
MrQuestions
Oct 7 2009, 01:36 PM
QUOTE (kjtocool @ Oct 7 2009, 12:28 PM)

5 - 42 - 0
6 - 53 - 1
4 - 24 - 0
Those are White's #'s thus far. I had White below Jennings in my pre-season rankings, and he's done nothing to move ahead, plus Gonzo clearly takes a lot of red zone oppurtunities away. At least Jennings has two 100 yard games.
I have him ranked that high based on what I expect him to do with that passing offense seemingly clicking. He does lose some red zone targets though. I would not be opposed to ranking him lower than 9th.
Do you think I should swap Jennings and White in the list?
Anyone else moving up?
Colston maybe moving down a bit?
XXmarko23
Oct 7 2009, 01:56 PM
I think the case can easily be made for Wayne and Vincent Jackson as the 1 and 2. Reggie Wayne is the number guy playing for Peyton who, and didnt think this was possible, is having a career year. Even with the Gonzo injury, Clark draws enough attention that Wayne isnt in impossible coverage.
Vincent Jackson has been stellar as well. Tomlinson is clearly injured and Sproles isnt an every down back, and neither are rushing threats where you need to stack the box. This makes it a trully pass first offense and when you have V-jax as the greatest down the middle reciever in the game at the moment, and Rivers being insanely efficient throwing passes so V-Jax can catch them in stride, I see V-jax getting 100 and/or a td a game.
1) Wayne
2) V-Jax
3) Moss
4) Andre Johnson
5) Calvin?
yoda
Oct 7 2009, 02:13 PM
Love having Wayne/Vjax as my WR... They catch everything, can go deep, break tackles, targeted often by awesome QB's. What more can you ask for?
XXmarko23
Oct 7 2009, 02:28 PM
I have a 2 qb non ppr league. My first qb is peyton, my two wr are wayne and vjax... Not coincidence that im 4-0
kjtocool
Oct 7 2009, 03:56 PM
I wouldn't argue VJax as #2, though he's still #4 for me. I worry about SD's defense with their NT gone for the year ... teams are running all over them (See Pittsburgh) and controlling the clock a lot more. TOP in the last game wasn't good for SD and that could be just enough to warrant keeping him below Moss and Andre for me.
ludawg23
Oct 7 2009, 04:01 PM
QUOTE (kjtocool @ Oct 7 2009, 04:56 PM)

I wouldn't argue VJax as #2, though he's still #4 for me. I worry about SD's defense with their NT gone for the year ... teams are running all over them (See Pittsburgh) and controlling the clock a lot more. TOP in the last game wasn't good for SD and that could be just enough to warrant keeping him below Moss and Andre for me.
good post.
Also, he doesn't have a track record that would warrant ranking him above guys like Andre and Moss.
He has had one solid season but before he cracks the elite status, I need to see him improve on his 08 stats. But he is well on his way...
cubbie5150
Oct 7 2009, 04:32 PM
I don't think Colston (who I own) is top 10 going forward. He just doesn't get the targets, and Payton seems content to use the running game & the much improved Greg Williams defense. Even when they throw, Brees just spreads the ball around. I'm trying to sell Colston but am having difficulty since it's his BYE.
kjtocool
Oct 7 2009, 07:47 PM
QUOTE (cubbie5150 @ Oct 7 2009, 05:32 PM)

I don't think Colston (who I own) is top 10 going forward. He just doesn't get the targets, and Payton seems content to use the running game & the much improved Greg Williams defense. Even when they throw, Brees just spreads the ball around. I'm trying to sell Colston but am having difficulty since it's his BYE.
Agree with this as well.
MikeF
Oct 7 2009, 07:58 PM
No Berrian?
De Novo
Oct 8 2009, 11:26 AM
First, I'm very happy to know that I have 3 top 10 receivers...
I think Ochocinco should be ahead of White and Steve Smith (CAR).
Fitzgerald at 5... it's a little early to drop him that far
I just san't see Mario Manningham being number 24. Hakeem Nicks is going to eat into his production significantly.
jeckll
Oct 8 2009, 11:52 AM
Can't believe I took Braylon Edwards while V Jax was still on the board...I think that cost me the season...
RAEF715
Oct 8 2009, 12:05 PM
can't argue that list too much, but think Brandon Marshall and Dwayne Bowe will outperform those spots as the season goes on and Bowe gets healthy (and amasses garbage time receiving numbers)..
as an Eagles fan, its weird to see DJax ranked so high... i guess im always cautious in my expectations for Eagles players, and he's played great..but is he THAT good already? maybe so....
yoda
Oct 8 2009, 12:11 PM
QUOTE (RAEF715 @ Oct 8 2009, 10:05 AM)

can't argue that list too much, but think Brandon Marshall and Dwayne Bowe will outperform those spots as the season goes on and Bowe gets healthy (and amasses garbage time receiving numbers)..
as an Eagles fan, its weird to see DJax ranked so high... i guess im always cautious in my expectations for Eagles players, and he's played great..but is he THAT good already? maybe so....
DJax is awesome. I don't think he is top 10 yet though.
kjtocool
Oct 8 2009, 12:14 PM
DJax is probably the hardest player to quantify on that list. He's such a home run threat, and the Eagles use him in more ways than any other team uses their top WR, giving him added bonus. The flip side of that coin is that DJax doesn't have nearly the red-zone presence of a Moss/Fitz/Calvin/etc.
Because of all this, he's really an anomoly going forward. You could tell me you've seen the future and DJax finished the year as the #1 fantasy WR and I wouldn't bat an eye, but you could also tell me he finished out of the top 10, and I'd believe that too.
In the end, for me, it comes down to that potential. I want it on my team, thus why he's ranked where he is.
yoda
Oct 8 2009, 12:27 PM
QUOTE (kjtocool @ Oct 8 2009, 10:14 AM)

DJax is probably the hardest player to quantify on that list. He's such a home run threat, and the Eagles use him in more ways than any other team uses their top WR, giving him added bonus. The flip side of that coin is that DJax doesn't have nearly the red-zone presence of a Moss/Fitz/Calvin/etc.
Because of all this, he's really an anomoly going forward. You could tell me you've seen the future and DJax finished the year as the #1 fantasy WR and I wouldn't bat an eye, but you could also tell me he finished out of the top 10, and I'd believe that too.
In the end, for me, it comes down to that potential. I want it on my team, thus why he's ranked where he is.
Yep he is a long threat but he doesn't seem to get consistent work compared to Wayne, Johnson, Moss, etc.
Hasselhoff
Oct 8 2009, 01:08 PM
After my last trade, I now got AJ, Moss, and V-Jax as my WR's...now hopefully this turns around my 1-3 record
fantasymad
Oct 8 2009, 01:11 PM
QUOTE (jeckll @ Oct 8 2009, 05:52 PM)

Can't believe I took Braylon Edwards while V Jax was still on the board...I think that cost me the season...
I traded V-Jax for Roy Williams/Edwards in the beginning of the year because I didnt want 3 Chargers (own Gates/LT)!!!
Ouch!!!
xenmax
Oct 9 2009, 05:35 AM
I just love to see WR rankings after WR rankings to see all 3 WRs of mine in the top 10!
Got Megatron in 2nd round (Moss and AJ went ahead of him). Liked Wayne better than most people who had him as Tier2 WR this year, so took him in the 3rd. And took DeSean in the 6th round after the likes of Braylon, S.Moss, Ward, Holmes etc were gone.
I really like my chances with this team!
MrQuestions
Oct 17 2009, 12:58 PM
Let's update this:
REVISED LIST!
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Andre Johnson
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Roddy White (Matt Ryan is for real and White is a beast)
5. Randy Moss (Brady will get it going and Moss will be good)
6. Vincent Jackson
7. Brandon Marshall (Denver offense looks good and he gets the RZ targets)
8. Steve Smith (NYG)
9. Calvin Johnson (Injury not helping)
10. DeSean Jackson (Seems to be too inconsistent. Considering putting him lower but Eagles have had weird games)
11. Chad Ochocinco
12. Marques Colston
13. Greg Jennings
14. Steve Smith (CAR)
15. Santonio Holmes
16. Derrick Mason
17. Anquan Boldin
18. Hines Ward
19. Jerricho Cotchery
20. Dwayne Bowe
21. Nate Burleson
22. Wes Welker
23. Mike Sims-Walker
24. Braylon Edwards
25. TJ Houshmanzadeh
26. Kevin Walter
27. Terrell Owens
28. Donald Driver
29. Santana Moss
30. Mario Manningham
Percy Harvin
Bernard Berrian
Johnny Knox
Ted Ginn
Nate Washington
Devin Hester
Antonio Bryant
Roy Williams
Lee Evans
Anthony Gonzalez
Sidney Rice
Donnie Avery
Kenny Britt
Moved Up:
Brandon Marshall, Roddy White, Kevin Walter, Braylon Edwards
Moved Down:
Megatron, Djax, Vjax, Sims-Walker
Questioning: (are they in the right spot?)
Brandon Marshall
DeSean Jackson
Thoughts?
fletch44
Oct 17 2009, 01:54 PM
QUOTE (MrQuestions @ Oct 17 2009, 01:58 PM)

Let's update this:
REVISED LIST!
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Andre Johnson
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Roddy White (Matt Ryan is for real and White is a beast)
5. Randy Moss (Brady will get it going and Moss will be good)
6. Vincent Jackson
7. Brandon Marshall (Denver offense looks good and he gets the RZ targets)
8. Steve Smith (NYG)
9. Calvin Johnson (Injury not helping)
10. DeSean Jackson (Seems to be too inconsistent. Considering putting him lower but Eagles have had weird games)
11. Chad Ochocinco
12. Marques Colston
13. Greg Jennings
14. Steve Smith (CAR)
15. Santonio Holmes
16. Derrick Mason
17. Anquan Boldin
18. Hines Ward
19. Jerricho Cotchery
20. Dwayne Bowe
21. Nate Burleson
22. Wes Welker
23. Mike Sims-Walker
24. Braylon Edwards
25. TJ Houshmanzadeh
26. Kevin Walter
27. Terrell Owens
28. Donald Driver
29. Santana Moss
30. Mario Manningham
Percy Harvin
Bernard Berrian
Johnny Knox
Ted Ginn
Nate Washington
Devin Hester
Antonio Bryant
Roy Williams
Lee Evans
Anthony Gonzalez
Sidney Rice
Donnie Avery
Kenny Britt
Moved Up:
Brandon Marshall, Roddy White, Kevin Walter, Braylon Edwards
Moved Down:
Megatron, Djax, Vjax, Sims-Walker
Questioning: (are they in the right spot?)
Brandon Marshall
DeSean Jackson
Thoughts?
I'm not sure I'd have Anthony Gonzalez on that list. That kind of ranking would assume he comes back 100% and his production isn't cut into by Garcon and Colie. Neither of which I'm willing to concede.
mjb03003
Oct 17 2009, 02:02 PM
My list:
1. Andre Johnson
2. Reggie Wayne
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Randy Moss
5. Calvin Johnson
6. Vincent Jackson
7. Brandon Marshall
8. Roddy White
9. Chad Ocho Cinco
10. Greg Jennings
11. Marques Colston
12. Anquan Boldin
13. Steve Smith (NY)
14. DeSean Jackson
15. Steve Smith (CAR)
16. Wes Welker
17. TJ Houshmandzadeh
18. Hines Ward
19. Braylon Edwards
20. Mike Sims-Walker
21. Dwayne Bowe
22. Santana Moss
23. Santonio Holmes
24. Nate Burleson
25. Derrick Mason
26. Donald Driver
27. Jerrico Cotchery
28. Bernard Berrian
29. Mario Manningham
30. Antonio Bryant
31. Devin Hester
32. Kevin Walter
33. Eddie Royal
34. Jeremy Maclin
35. Sidney Rice
36. Johnny Knox
37. Percy Harvin
38. Terrell Owens
39. Miles Austin
40. Roy Williams
MrQuestions
Oct 17 2009, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (fletch44 @ Oct 17 2009, 01:54 PM)

I'm not sure I'd have Anthony Gonzalez on that list. That kind of ranking would assume he comes back 100% and his production isn't cut into by Garcon and Colie. Neither of which I'm willing to concede.
He's not even ranked in the top 36 WRs... Just being the likely starter on the field with Peyton gets him there I think..
When he does come back, Garcon will likely no longer be ownable.
I should have put Eddie Royal back on the list though too.
bjmach
Oct 17 2009, 02:09 PM
QUOTE (MrQuestions @ Oct 17 2009, 01:58 PM)

Let's update this:
REVISED LIST!
1. Reggie Wayne
2. Andre Johnson
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Roddy White (Matt Ryan is for real and White is a beast)
5. Randy Moss (Brady will get it going and Moss will be good)
6. Vincent Jackson
7. Brandon Marshall (Denver offense looks good and he gets the RZ targets)
8. Steve Smith (NYG)
9. Calvin Johnson (Injury not helping)
10. DeSean Jackson (Seems to be too inconsistent. Considering putting him lower but Eagles have had weird games)
11. Chad Ochocinco
12. Marques Colston
13. Greg Jennings
14. Steve Smith (CAR)
15. Santonio Holmes
16. Derrick Mason
17. Anquan Boldin
18. Hines Ward
19. Jerricho Cotchery
20. Dwayne Bowe
21. Nate Burleson
22. Wes Welker
23. Mike Sims-Walker
24. Braylon Edwards
25. TJ Houshmanzadeh
26. Kevin Walter
27. Terrell Owens
28. Donald Driver
29. Santana Moss
30. Mario Manningham
Percy Harvin
Bernard Berrian
Johnny Knox
Ted Ginn
Nate Washington
Devin Hester
Antonio Bryant
Roy Williams
Lee Evans
Anthony Gonzalez
Sidney Rice
Donnie Avery
Kenny Britt
Moved Up:
Brandon Marshall, Roddy White, Kevin Walter, Braylon Edwards
Moved Down:
Megatron, Djax, Vjax, Sims-Walker
Questioning: (are they in the right spot?)
Brandon Marshall
DeSean Jackson
Thoughts?
Cotchery?? Seems kind of high for him??
MrQuestions
Oct 17 2009, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (bjmach @ Oct 17 2009, 02:09 PM)

Cotchery?? Seems kind of high for him??
Where would you put him?
I can't see him passing anyone who is ahead of him with a Rookie QB in a run-first offense, especially with that defense and Braylon there to take targets away now.
aab980
Oct 17 2009, 02:44 PM
My top 10 goes something like this
1. Reggie Wayne(has the best QB, plays in an explosive offense)
2. Andre Johnson(hit and miss at times but expect more hits going forward)
3. Larry Fitzgerald(pass happy offense will be a stud all year)
4. Vincent Jackson(San Diego has made the transition from a running team to a passing one that should benefit Jackson)
5. Randy Moss(Brady won't keep overthrowing him)
6. Calvin Johnson(only a matter of time before he breaks out for a monster game, injury doesn't appear serious)
7. Marques Colston (the Saints will get back to what they do best, passing, Colston will be fine)
8. Roddy White (got back on track last week should be solid rest of the way
9. DeSean Jackson(put up a donut last week, but will be a fine going forward)
10.Steve Smith Carolina(can only be held down for so long)
Some notable omissions, Steve Smith Giants, I think his best fantasy days are behind him. Teams will actually game plan for him now and roll some double coverages his way. The big boys are used to that, I'm not so sure Steve Smith will make the adjustment. Greg Jennings was another that just missed the cut, but the O-line is bad and it looks like Rodgers has developed some nice chemistry with Driver. That's my unscientific look anyway, some will agree, some will disagree.
gordo4s
Oct 17 2009, 02:59 PM
Where is Boldin in people's lists?
BlueDevils22
Oct 17 2009, 03:03 PM
QUOTE (aab980 @ Oct 17 2009, 03:44 PM)

Some notable omissions, Steve Smith Giants, I think his best fantasy days are behind him. Teams will actually game plan for him now and roll some double coverages his way. The big boys are used to that, I'm not so sure Steve Smith will make the adjustment. Greg Jennings was another that just missed the cut, but the O-line is bad and it looks like Rodgers has developed some nice chemistry with Driver. That's my unscientific look anyway, some will agree, some will disagree.
Im not sure what its going to take for Steve Smith to get some respect, for him to be left out of the top ten at this point in time is absolutely insane. If you truly think Nicks' return is going to hurt him that much you just wrong, his return hurts Manningham. Smith is going to be on the field the entire game, and you know what? Eli loves him, he trusts him. Eli looks for him in the redzone, he looks for him on EVERY SINGLE third down passing play. Steve Smith is Eli's go to man and they have a chemistry that is undescribable. Honestly I could see Smith finishing somewhere around the top 5 and fellow RW posters would still be saying, "Hes not a top ten WR, blah blah".....As the season goes on and Smith continues to have big games maybe people will begin to realize this guy is the real deal and not a fluke. The reason Smith CAN and WILL make an adjustment to double coverages is solely because he runs some of the best routes in the NFL and Eli Manning has played like one of the best QBs in the NFL. I dont care how you try to cover Smith, but IMO your not stopping a perfect route and a perfect pass, because thats what Smith and Eli have thrived on all year long to this point.
bjmach
Oct 17 2009, 03:03 PM
QUOTE (MrQuestions @ Oct 17 2009, 02:16 PM)

Where would you put him?
I can't see him passing anyone who is ahead of him with a Rookie QB in a run-first offense, especially with that defense and Braylon there to take targets away now.
I was thinking lower not higher....Sims-Walker is one that should defenitely be ahead of Cotchery I would think
mjb03003
Oct 17 2009, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (BlueDevils22 @ Oct 17 2009, 04:03 PM)

Im not sure what its going to take for Steve Smith to get some respect, for him to be left out of the top ten at this point in time is absolutely insane. If you truly think Nicks' return is going to hurt him that much you just wrong, his return hurts Manningham. Smith is going to be on the field the entire game, and you know what? Eli loves him, he trusts him. Eli looks for him in the redzone, he looks for him on EVERY SINGLE third down passing play. Steve Smith is Eli's go to man and they have a chemistry that is undescribable. Honestly I could see Smith finishing somewhere around the top 5 and fellow RW posters would still be saying, "Hes not a top ten WR, blah blah".....As the season goes on and Smith continues to have big games maybe people will begin to realize this guy is the real deal and not a fluke. The reason Smith CAN and WILL make an adjustment to double coverages is solely because he runs some of the best routes in the NFL and Eli Manning has played like one of the best QBs in the NFL. I dont care how you try to cover Smith, but IMO your not stopping a perfect route and a perfect pass, because thats what Smith and Eli have thrived on all year long to this point.
Giants fan?
Eli has a history of strong first halves followed by mediocre second halves. The Giants have two great RBs, and figure to run the ball a ton when they get ahead in a lot of late season, cold weather games. I'm not sure why you are taking a top 15 ranking as a huge dis to someone who was never even top 30 before this year. He's already passed a lot of proven studs based on his 3 or 4 good games out of 5 this year. If he keeps putting up huge stats, I'm sure people will be more willing to bump him up to top 10 status but in my opinion it's still a little premature to call him better than guys like Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings, and Roddy White.
bjmach
Oct 17 2009, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (MrQuestions @ Oct 17 2009, 02:16 PM)

Where would you put him?
I can't see him passing anyone who is ahead of him with a Rookie QB in a run-first offense, especially with that defense and Braylon there to take targets away now.
You also have Braylon behind Cotchery....
alphakenny1
Oct 17 2009, 03:39 PM
QUOTE (gordo4s @ Oct 17 2009, 12:59 PM)

Where is Boldin in people's lists?
I like Boldin a lot. Really hard to put him over the top in front of people like Vjax, White and Jennings but I love him for his consistency. He's a guaranteed 5-7 catches a game and a target in the end zone for Warner. It hasn't happened so far this season but looking at the games he's been healthy, he's averaging 7 catches a game. Not sure how people can put Djax in front of Boldin. To me I'd rather have Boldin than Djax any day of the week. Okay maybe he's no homerun hitter but dang I like the fact that he's a guaranteed 10 pts a game with TD potential.
Red Sox Nation
Oct 17 2009, 03:50 PM
desean will not be a top 10. he has 3 cathces in the 2 games mcnabb was qb. no that trend wont hold, but its clearly a spread out offense.
top 10 from today till the end of the year is
1. randy moss
2. andre johnson
3. reggie wayne (agonz will b back, and baskett collie and garcon will all understand the offense more, so i cant see wayne stayin at #1 )
4. larry fitzgerald
5. roddy white
6. marques colston (after this week they face alotttt of easy pass defenses. after this week , if webster shuts him down, i advise every1 to find a owner who doesnt see him as a top 10, to deal for him)
7. vincent jackson
8. calvin johnson (im assuming he gets better soon)
9. greg jennings (tauscher and clifton coming back. they had the bye week. they will figure it out. keep the faith.)
10. brandon marshall 10A. steve smith (NYG)
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